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    Quote Originally Posted by Perota
    How long does it take to be an experience runner ?
    I've no idea...I never was a runner, per se...I envy the real runners...It amazes me to watch their speed and grace...I'm just an all-around sports guy, but sooner or later they have you doing cross country runs, etc...For extreme fitness...Or dreaded fooking Cooper Tests...Especially if it's a "running sport" anyway, like football...

    However, I believe it's an individual thing...In a sense, "everybody" wants to run like a kid...So, go try and do it...Go to the beach and run!...Don't make it a chore...Run for 50 yards (sorry, meters!) and mark it off if you like...Start slowly, but run...If you like it so much, don't stop...

    Abebe Bikila

    Bikila was added to the Ethiopian Olympic team only at the last moment, as the plane to Rome was about to leave, as a replacement for Wami Biratu, who was seriously ill. Major Onni Niskanen entered Bikila and Abebe Wakjira in the marathon.

    Adidas, the shoe sponsor at the 1960 Summer Olympics, had few shoes left when Bikila went to try out shoes and he ended up with a pair that didn’t fit comfortably, so he couldn't use them. A couple of hours before the race, Bikila decided to run barefoot, the way he'd trained for the race.


    Just had to add that above bit in admiration for a phenomenal runner...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perota
    VocalNeal is it what you guys drink before the run ?
    Approx 5 Baht per sachet.

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    Lots of good suggestions here...Really surprised the OP is not doing any stretching...Drink water freely...Eat yer bananas...Someone mentioned magnesium 'cause it sounds like you're lacking something in your diet...

    Ice, heat, the main two...And Epsom salts for relief...One of the main reasons I'm swimming in the ocean now...Maintain the training effect after the brief run, favour an Achille's tendon a tad, and soak in that salt bath, all at the same time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaitongBoy
    I've no idea
    That much is obvious. The op wants advice for muscular discomfort, after training, not the guidance you have given for younger competitive athletes.
    The older you get, the incidence of muscular injury increases. To ameliorate this, always warm the major muscle groups beforehand. A similar warm down routine post exercise will also help. Sweating during exercise can cause electrolyte imbalances. These common body salts, especially magnesium, potassium and calcium are essential for healthy muscle function. Others have already mentioned the powders available to redress this. Make sure you get the exercise type and not the one used for re-hydration post shits. (they work differently)
    The other issue is recovery. As you age, recovery from injury takes progressively longer. A simple muscle strain that clears up in a few days in your 20s or 30s can take a week or more in your 50s or 60s. This is hard to accept especially if you have a sporting background. Sometimes complete, prolonged rest is the best cure.
    I no longer run, because my body responds better to low impact exercise like cycling and swimming.
    Warm up warm down and proper hydration are essential. Good nutrion and diet helps too. Don't be afraid to rest any injury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDukeofNewcastle
    Make sure you get the exercise type and not the one used for re-hydration post shits. (they work differently)
    You are are talking about ORS.


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    These are the "medical" ones.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TheDukeofNewcastle
    Make sure you get the exercise type and not the one used for re-hydration post shits. (they work differently)
    You are are talking about ORS.

    There are many different brands but two distinct functions. The exercise type are made to correct an imbalance caused by sweating. The other one deals with a more rapid and debilitating loss. If in doubt ask a pharmacist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDukeofNewcastle
    The op wants advice for muscular discomfort, after training, not the guidance you have given for younger competitive athletes.
    Yeah, well, Dukie...It's all there in the post above yer diatribe, and in case ya missed it, I told him to quit the running, the kind that you can't do any more because of the impact which running intervals (hills or otherwise) minimizes...I know you're gonna wanna try it!...

    Yeah, you've got some great advice there in your post...As I do in mine...Just stay away from running distances if you're not a natural runner...

    And thanks for the compliment on my age and competitiveness...

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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    These are the "medical" ones.

    I get confused now.

    This one is the one to use or not to use ?

    What exactly is the difference ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaitongBoy
    because of the impact which running intervals (hills or otherwise) minimizes...I know you're gonna wanna try it!...
    No it does not. Running up hills causes greater impact stresses. After running up hill, one must presumably descend. Any runner will tell you how damaging that can be.
    As you already said, you have never been a runner. Best you say no more and be thought a fool, than post again on this thread and confirm you are a fool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perota
    I get confused now.

    This one is the one to use or not to use ?

    What exactly is the difference ?
    Ask any pharmacist. (Not the shop assistant).

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    ^^ You don't run downhill...You should know that...It's your rest interval...Of course, any runner knows running downhill is damaging...Look what it did to you...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaitongBoy
    You don't run downhill...You should know that...It's your rest interval...Of course, any runner knows running downhill is damaging.
    Any runner except a non runner like you apparently.

    Quote Originally Posted by BaitongBoy
    I've no idea...I never was a runner
    Thanks for confirmation of your foolishness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perota View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    These are the "medical" ones.

    I get confused now.

    This one is the one to use or not to use ?

    What exactly is the difference ?
    Well I've never actually bought any, get givenit but generally speaking I think the yellow/orange packet ones are at 7-11, the white packet ones are in the pharmacy. 100 Plus is good, it is at 7-11.

    Yellow/green ones taste roughly citric, the white one tastes like salty medicine.

    Rough guide? When exercising wipe your temple with a finger and lick it. If it tastes of salt you have enough in your system.
    Better to think inside the pub, than outside the box?
    I apologize if any offence was caused. unless it was intended.
    You people, you think I know feck nothing; I tell you: I know feck all
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDukeofNewcastle
    Thanks for confirmation of your foolishness.
    Sigh...It's a Buffalo Board, oh wise one...Heh...Nice post...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perota View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    These are the "medical" ones.

    I get confused now.

    This one is the one to use or not to use ?

    What exactly is the difference ?
    I think the only difference is the strength. They both contain the same ingredients: sodium, potassium and sugar (glucose/dextrose)

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    I was a serious young athlete. I was lucky to grow up as Ovett, Coe and Cram were setting records and winning Olympic golds. They were incredible role-models. Runners like Elliot and Morecroft were pushed to the back but also world beating athletes as well.

    The times I ran for 800 and 1500m when I was 15 or 16 were good enough to have won most women's Olympic finals for those distances. If only I hadn't discovered pubs at a young age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stamford
    If only I hadn't discovered pubes at a young age.
    Corrected gratis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    These are the "medical" ones.

    I was told that Coconut water was better?



    Low in calories, naturally fat- and cholesterol free, more potassium than four bananas, and super hydrating - these are just a few of the many benefits ascribed to America’s latest health craze: coconut water.

    Dubbed "Mother Nature’s sports drink" by marketers, the demand is skyrocketing, propelled by celebrity and athlete endorsements and promises to hydrate the body and help with a whole host of conditions, from hangovers to cancer and kidney stones.

    But is coconut water capable of delivering on all the promises or is it hype?....

    The Truth About Coconut Water

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    Quote Originally Posted by can123 View Post
    I am sad to say that most of the people I knew who made efforts to keep fit are either dead or disabled. Continued happiness can only be achieved if one eats lots of nice stuff and one keeps exercise to a minimum. I may be fat but I am able to walk without the aid of strapping and I continue to breathe, which is important.
    Well, it's a balance for sure. I'm 53, and all I do is strength training. BUT I'm very conservative about not getting injured, and don't go at it like a 19 year old. The benefits are pretty sweet.

    To the OP: There's lots of good lower back and hamstring stretches on youtube. I find that those help a lot, though my leg exercise is not running, but walking lunges holding an olympic plate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    These are the "medical" ones.

    I get confused now.

    This one is the one to use or not to use ?

    What exactly is the difference ?
    I think the only difference is the strength. They both contain the same ingredients: sodium, potassium and sugar (glucose/dextrose)

    I use this brand, widely available in Thailand. Great for during weight training, boxing , or other cardio activity. Or Discus-throwing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BaitongBoy View Post
    Lots of good suggestions here...Really surprised the OP is not doing any stretching...Drink water freely...Eat yer bananas...Someone mentioned magnesium 'cause it sounds like you're lacking something in your diet...

    Ice, heat, the main two...And Epsom salts for relief...One of the main reasons I'm swimming in the ocean now...Maintain the training effect after the brief run, favour an Achille's tendon a tad, and soak in that salt bath, all at the same time...
    Swimming in the Ocean eh nothing wrong with that , after all Red Rum won 3 grand Nationals after swimming in the sea off Southport Sands .

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    Quote Originally Posted by stamford View Post
    I was a serious young athlete. I was lucky to grow up as Ovett, Coe and Cram were setting records and winning Olympic golds. They were incredible role-models. Runners like Elliot and Morecroft were pushed to the back but also world beating athletes as well.

    The times I ran for 800 and 1500m when I was 15 or 16 were good enough to have won most women's Olympic finals for those distances. If only I hadn't discovered pubs at a young age.
    As long as you can look back on your life with no real regrets and are enjoying it now what the heck

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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post

    Rough guide? When exercising wipe your temple with a finger and lick it. If it tastes of salt you have enough in your system.
    I did this today whilst sweating at the gym. I could not taste any salt. I try to limit my salt intake and do not add to any food.

    I feel fine, and I was sure that I would get enough salt from my diet. I thought that salt intake should be reduced as per World health recommendations.

    South Australia is fairly cold at present - Winter. Therefore little loss through dehydration.

    Should I up my salt intake?

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    Perota, how are your legs these days? Still sore?

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