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    Testosterone Replacement Therapy and HGH

    I am 64 and just talked with an Urologist about TRT. Even though I'm aging, my specific interest in this topic is sports performance enhancement (mountaineering). I thought to myself, my age being what it is, that my testosterone level should be low. Turns out it's over the top (according to this doc's -at CM Ram- scale which is 300-900). My level is 1010 and I've seen other scales where that's just at the high end of normal. But since my goal is to enhance sports performance (we all know about the younger athletes who have indulged--or not). I am seriously considering having the TRT at least, even though my testosterone level is normal. I talked about it with the doc and he prolly would prescribe it but he hasn't any experience with my 'symptoms', simply because nobody's asked for it before, after I've seen a Sports Medicine Doc and maybe an endocrinologist, depending on the sport doc's evaluation. (I plan to see both, if necessary).

    I'm also interested in Human Growth Hormone, which is used as an anti-aging therapy (in addition to other uses)

    Once I started researching a little bit more I learned that TRT and HGH are part of HRT (Hormone Replacement Therapy)

    I searched a bit around the health forum and couldn't find anything close to this specific topic: posters having experience with any of the above and especially athletes (users or otherwise) and very especially those over the hill with desires like mine (i.e., users of performance enhancing drugs who have an enhancement in mind other than as a sexual enhancement).

    I forgot to mention expense, which may be a show-stopper at one point or another. As far as the sports enhance requirement goes, that should prolly end in 5-10 years max.

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    i think a psychiatrist might be of more use to you.

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    Anti-Aging Therapy.
    No such beast.


    Just grow old healthy and happy without giving it unnecessary thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile
    i think a psychiatrist might be of more use to you.
    I'm going to add to your rep (color red) of being the biggest asshole MOFO troller on teakdoor.

    Quote Originally Posted by thaimeme
    Anti-Aging Therapy.
    No such beast.


    Just grow old healthy and happy without giving it unnecessary thought.
    Human Growth Hormone (HGH) and Testosterone Replacement Therapy for HRT - Danger & Play

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    Great grandmother on my father's side was in Ireland, but from Wales with a last name of Blaney. You are the first I have ever come across & happen to be curious.
    Any of your relation spend some time in County Monaghan near Lough Muckno ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wjblaney View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile
    i think a psychiatrist might be of more use to you.
    I'm going to add to your rep (color red) of being the biggest asshole MOFO troller on teakdoor.
    after you've seen the shrink, can book some anger management therapy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile
    after you've seen the shrink, can book some anger management therapy.
    What motivates you? Spit?

    Quote Originally Posted by bearbait
    Great grandmother on my father's side was in Ireland, but from Wales with a last name of Blaney. You are the first I have ever come across & happen to be curious.
    Any of your relation spend some time in County Monaghan near Lough Muckno ?
    There are a lot of Blaneys in America, most unrelated to moi. My brother is a family history buff and I'll send him the question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bearbait
    Great grandmother on my father's side was in Ireland, but from Wales with a last name of Blaney. You are the first I have ever come across & happen to be curious.
    Any of your relation spend some time in County Monaghan near Lough Muckno ?
    There are a lot of Blaneys in America, most unrelated to moi. My brother is a family history buff and I'll send him the question. [/QUOTE]


    Appreciate that wjb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wjblaney View Post
    Even though I'm aging, my specific interest in this topic is sports performance enhancement (mountaineering).
    I think you mean Mounting rear-ending

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    What motivates you? Spit?
    what you do with yourself, your body and your health is, as you imply not really any business of mine, but when a 62 year old man with apparently no adverse symptoms of declining health posts on a public forum about altering his body's natural hormonal balance by ingesting commercially produced chemicals in what can only be described as a vain quest for eternal youth i do feel compelled to provocatively question the sanity of that man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    when a 62 year old man with apparently no adverse symptoms of declining health posts on a public forum about altering his body's natural hormonal balance by ingesting commercially produced chemicals in what can only be described as a vain quest for eternal youth i do feel compelled to provocatively question the sanity of that man.
    Agree. Nature will eventually take its course.

    Count your blessings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile
    what you do with yourself, your body and your health is, as you imply not really any business of mine, but when a 62 year old man with apparently no adverse symptoms of declining health posts on a public forum about altering his body's natural hormonal balance by ingesting commercially produced chemicals in what can only be described as a vain quest for eternal youth i do feel compelled to provocatively question the sanity of that man.
    Quote Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton
    Agree. Nature will eventually take its course.

    Count your blessings.
    Don't disagree. The first question the doctor asked me 'For the ladies?' Absolutely not. It's just harder to convince pen pals of my sincerity than it would be face to face. My doctor is convinced, I'm convinced, so my motivation is either what I said it was or I'm a fantastic liar (which I also believe is true).

    Pls stop with the self-help posts. BEFORE IT BECOMES BULLYING

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile
    what you do with yourself, your body and your health is, as you imply not really any business of mine, but when a 62 year old man with apparently no adverse symptoms of declining health posts on a public forum about altering his body's natural hormonal balance by ingesting commercially produced chemicals in what can only be described as a vain quest for eternal youth i do feel compelled to provocatively question the sanity of that man.
    Sad, as someone redded me for; yes, because I would have posted the same until recently. Search for eternal youth? Prolly subconsciously. Why do you feel provoked?

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    i dont feel provoked, it was the question and comments i posted of you that were provocative.

    i dont recall sending you a red reputation either.

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    Well according to my brother who is medically trained. The body like to be in equilibrium so if you add testosterone it produces more estrogen to balance it out. TRT is OK if you want moobs and other female side effects.

    Yes living longer means living longer OLD, you don't live longer younger. Except mentally, if lucky.
    No one on TD is gay. If suspect, it was probably because of the way they were reared.
    I apologize if any offence was caused. unless it was intended.
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    How much more grievous are the consequences of anger than the causes of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile
    i dont feel provoked, it was the question and comments i posted of you that were provocative.

    i dont recall sending you a red reputation either.
    You said you were 'provocatively compelled'. I know where you're at: you post what appears to be a rational reply but end it with a flame in an attempt to provoke me. I did not say you redded me. I said 'someone redded me'. Red it again.

    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal
    Well according to my brother who is medically trained. The body like to be in equilibrium so if you add testosterone it produces more estrogen to balance it out. TRT is OK if you want moobs and other female side effects.

    Yes living longer means living longer OLD, you don't live longer younger. Except mentally, if lucky.
    That is true. But what are forums for, if not seeking opinions, comments and ......reminders!

    Greened

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    In LOS you should be able to find a doctor who has some experience with body builders who use steroids and HGH and has more than cursory knowledge (do some research and ask questions to which you already know the answers and see what he comes back with)- you want to have some supervision and regular blood checks. As far as conversion to estrogen is concerned, VN's brother needs to learn what an aromatase inhibitor is.

    I have a friend who went overboard on TRT (without proper supervision) and he ended up having mood swings and violent outbursts that eventually ended his marriage- you can do it safely, but you can't do it stupidly.

    I've often been tempted by the easy availability of various OTC drugs in LOS but haven't used any (perhaps when I get older and can't perform as well in the gym)- I'm interested to hear of your experience if you take the plunge.
    There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
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    You said you were 'provocatively compelled'.
    no i didnt, what i said in post #10 was ...


    i do feel compelled to provocatively question
    i'd buy reading glasses before scrotum supplements.

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    ^I'd buy a new brain, in your next life, if you say that's not the same thing.

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    i think there is a world of difference between "compelled to provocatively question" and "provocatively compelled to question"

    maybe an expert on english grammar can comment.

    if i am wrong then i will eat humble pie and apologise.

    compel = forced to act.
    provoke = to make angry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile
    i think there is a world of difference between "compelled to provocatively question" and "provocatively compelled to question"

    maybe an expert on english grammar can comment.

    if i am wrong then i will eat humble pie and apologise.

    compel = forced to act.
    provoke = to make angry.
    OK, I'll put my threat on hold if you agree I got your snipe.

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    you couldnt be fairer than that.

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    ^ no greenie for the simpering reason it's too soon.

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    Why not go the legal and safe way and buy an altitude tent to improve your performance? http://www.hypoxico.com

    Also weight training will provide you with growth hormone naturally. http://nstarzone.com/EXERCISE.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna
    Why not go the legal and safe way and buy an altitude tent to improve your performance? Altitude tent - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Also weight training will provide you with growth hormone naturally.
    Yeah, I've followed pros up the peaks and divined their attitude and the first thing I noticed (beyond fitness---like 2%-3% body fat) was their respect for gear. So mechanics is a major factor to success. And they won't offer this nice little tidbit of info (they got their own clique, after all).

    And I've done weight training for 20 years. I would have given it up years ago if I didn't know I'd be on a mountain in 6 months to a year. I always had a negative view of body building until I subscribed to Muscle & Fitness (Ronnie Coleman--what a freakin' monster!) I guess their motivation is ego and I just don't go in the gym for that. Used to be climbers completely dissed body building b/c of the power-to-weight ratio. From wiki: Power-to-weight ratio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Power-to-weight ratio is a measurement of actual performance of any engine or power source. It is also used as a measurement of performance of a vehicle as a whole, with the engine's power output being divided by the weight (or mass) of the vehicle, to give a metric that is independent of the vehicle's size. Power-to-weight is often quoted by manufacturers at the peak value, but the actual value may vary in use and variations will affect performance.
    Funny isn't it? They look at the body as if it was a machine. I look at it as if it's a park ride. Hence, no obsession but what an adrenaline rush (soon forgotten, thence the attraction to an addict like moi).

    That fits with their crush on high tech gear (e.g. the altitude tent. It makes a HUGE difference in performance). So I'm in a hot spot: don't want to fully commit to the sport (want to remain unknown and anonymous---and as lazy as possible) but want to be special at the same time. You'll find very few amateurs (like myself) who put their goals in this order (I don't know about the pros. They're so far above my place in the scheme of things). I feel right about it, though, and failure is very depressing. I also had a manic-depressive mother so it's in the genes I guess. But hard exercise definitely is an antidote. I've also had some success climbing in South America but now I'm looking at the top of the world (Himalaya) and I could, I guess, be satisfied with just looking and trekking. But just not yet.

    I started this thread with a light-hearted attitude but I'm very serious about both activities (body building and climbing). And I believe in cheating----seriously.

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