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    Red Wine & Artherosclerosis

    A couple of months ago I bought a 5 litre jug/container of Merlot red wine from France to start a daily routine of drinking a 6 oz. glass per day.

    We've all heard of the French Paradox. Below is a study conducted by doctors on a couple of different groups.

    I view this daily red wine drinking as a cheap insurance policy (that may or may not work) but as I am not middle-aged it is worth doing just for the possible sake of the health benefits.

    I only drink 6 ounces.

    I drink more beer and yes, alcohol that is more than "small amounts" has negative effects but it's worth a try.

    (I also eat oats w/ crushed cinnamon and have a glass of Green Tea every day. I eat very small portions of meat, and avoid fried foods, except for occasional eating of it.

    Below is a study. You've probably seen it before. At the bottom of the study which is not included in the snipped the doctors finally advise not to "start drinking this small amount of wine if you do not drink because alcohol has negative effects...yadda, yadda, yadda.

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    Red Wine and Your Heart

    Paul E. Szmitko, BSc; Subodh Verma, MD, PhD

    Drinking red wine has been portrayed by the media as a means of combating heart disease. Do these claims have any real medical basis? The main health benefit of moderate alcohol use appears to be related to its effect on the development of atherosclerosis or the accumulation of fatty plaques in the blood vessels, particularly the coronary arteries that supply the heart. These deposits decrease blood flow to the heart and may promote the formation of vessel-blocking clots, which can result in anginal chest pain or even a life-threatening heart attack. In this article, we examine the scientific literature behind these claims, both epidemiological (studies focused on disease within whole populations) and biological (studies focused on how the molecular components of red wine affect atherosclerosis).



    The moderate consumption of alcoholic beverages, defined as 1 to 2 drinks per day, has been suggested to increase overall survival rates in a number of different population groups. One standard drink is generally considered to be 1.5 oz of liquor, 5 oz of wine, or 12 oz of beer. The patient groups that appear to benefit most from light to moderate drinking, middle-aged men and women, are also those who are at increased risk for developing cardiovascular disease. Thus, the reduction in total mortality that is associated with moderate alcohol consumption, generally a 30% reduction in risk, is believed to be the result of a reduction in the risk of developing atherosclerotic disease.

    When the data from 51 epidemiological studies were combined, they showed that the risk of coronary heart disease decreased by approximately 20% when 0 to 2 alcoholic drinks were consumed per day. Apparently healthy adults, patients with a history of heart attack, and patients with diabetes all appeared to benefit. Results from the large Health Professionals Follow-Up Study, a study in which 38,077 male health professionals who were free of cardiovascular disease were observed for 12 years, suggested that drinking 1 to 2 drinks per day, 3 to 4 days per week decreased the risk of having a heart attack by as much as 32%. The formation of an occluding blood clot in an artery that supplies part of the brain can lead to stroke. Light to moderate alcohol consumption was found to be associated with an approximately 20% reduction in the risk for ischemic stroke and may even be beneficial in preventing subsequent strokes.

    Alcohol intake from any type of alcoholic beverage appears to be beneficial, but some studies suggest that red wine confers additional health benefits. The regular drinking of red wine has been suggested as the explanation for the “French paradox,” the relatively low incidence of coronary atherosclerosis in France as compared with other Western countries, despite the generally high intake of saturated fat in the French diet. Support for a more pronounced cardioprotective effect for red wine as compared with other alcoholic beverages first emerged from the Copenhagen City Heart Study, in which 13,285 men and women were observed for 12 years. The results from this study suggested that patients who drank wine had half the risk of dying from coronary heart disease or stroke as those who never drank wine. Those who drank beer and spirits did not experience this advantage. The additional benefit of red wine is supported further by an analysis of 13 studies involving 209,418 participants. This analysis showed a 32% risk reduction of atherosclerotic disease with red wine intake, which was greater than the 22% risk reduction for beer consumption. Other studies and reviews have failed to show a beneficial effect for red wine, however, and hence it could be concluded that other lifestyle factors such as diet, exercise, socioeconomic status, or pattern of alcohol consumption may have played a role in giving wine drinkers an advantage in lowered rates of atherosclerosis.

    The chemical composition of red wine may contribute to its apparent benefit. A series of scientific studies suggests that the polyphenolic compounds in red wine, such as flavonoids and resveratrol, may play an active role in limiting the start and progression of atherosclerosis.
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    High levels of Triglycerides in the blood stream are caused by high consumption of fats, sugars and alcohol, with the effect further exacerbated by smoking.
    If triglyceride levels cannot be controlled by a sensible lifestyle and diet, then medication may be prescribed.
    An American friend with this problem switched from 5/6 beers per night to 5/6 large glasses of wine per night. He died within 3 months.
    A French friend with this problem cut out all alcohol, smoking, sugars and fats. He has lost weight and is still happily mongering.
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    Don't triglycerides mostly come from processed foods? If you cook your own meals avoiding adding any weird canned, jarred or bottled stuff to your home-cooked meals you shouldn't have too much of a problem. Not sure but seems I heard this somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbaro
    A couple of months ago I bought a 5 litre jug/container of Merlot red wine from France to start a daily routine of drinking a 6 oz. glass per day.
    how many oz in 5 litres?

    that must get a bit stale

    life is too short to drink bad wine, buy some decent bottles and enjoy it

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    The best thing one can do is give up smoking, drinking, sex, gambling and other forms of enjoyment. You won't actually live longer, it'll just seem like it.

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    was told by a pal that the ingredient responsible for a healthy heart
    was in the red grape
    but when turned to alcohol the benefit was lost.
    so maybe just another ploy to sell stuff that doesn't do what it says it will do.
    at your age exercise is favourite with sensible home cooking.
    it's my favourite drink but ouch
    when i wake up in the morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by barbaro
    A couple of months ago I bought a 5 litre jug/container of Merlot red wine from France to start a daily routine of drinking a 6 oz. glass per day.
    how many oz in 5 litres?

    that must get a bit stale

    life is too short to drink bad wine, buy some decent bottles and enjoy it
    Thanks for the advice.

    The 5 liter container is not a jug (I posted bad). It's a sealed 'foil-like' container with a spout.

    Yes, enjoying the wine is important.

    Are these foil-soft containers stored inside a box with a sealed spout just as good as a bottle?

    I assume no air gets in/out. ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chassamui View Post
    High levels of Triglycerides in the blood stream are caused by high consumption of fats, sugars and alcohol, with the effect further exacerbated by smoking.

    If triglyceride levels cannot be controlled by a sensible lifestyle and diet, then medication may be prescribed.

    An American friend with this problem switched from 5/6 beers per night to 5/6 large glasses of wine per night. He died within 3 months.

    A French friend with this problem cut out all alcohol, smoking, sugars and fats. He has lost weight and is still happily mongering.
    Agree.

    Triglycerides can kill. (Your friend was probably too late in the game to change, being that he passed away 3 months later.)

    You are correct however, Chass.

    High Triglycerides - Overview
    What are triglycerides?
    Triglycerides are a type of fat found in your blood. Your body uses them for energy.

    You need some triglycerides for good health. But high triglycerides can raise your risk of heart disease and may be a sign of metabolic syndrome.

    Metabolic syndrome is the combination of high blood pressure, high blood sugar, too much fat around the waist, low HDL ("good") cholesterol, and high triglycerides. Metabolic syndrome increases your risk for heart disease, diabetes, and stroke.

    A blood test that measures your cholesterol also measures your triglycerides. For a general idea about your triglycerides level, compare your test results to the following:

    Normal is less than 150.
    Borderline-high is 150 to 199.
    High is 200 to 499.
    Very high is 500 or higher.

    What causes high triglycerides?
    High triglycerides are usually caused by other conditions, such as:

    Obesity.
    Poorly controlled diabetes.
    An underactive thyroid (hypothyroidism).
    Kidney disease.
    Regularly eating more calories than you burn.
    Drinking a lot of alcohol.
    Certain medicines may also raise triglycerides. These medicines include:

    Tamoxifen.
    Steroids.
    Beta-blockers.
    Diuretics.
    Estrogen.
    Birth control pills.
    In a few cases, high triglycerides also can run in families.

    What are the symptoms?
    High triglycerides usually don't cause symptoms.

    But if your high triglycerides are caused by a genetic condition, you may see fatty deposits under your skin. These are called xanthomas (say "zan-THOH-muhs").

    How can you lower your high triglycerides?
    You can make diet and lifestyle changes to help lower your levels.

    Stay at a healthy weight.
    Limit fats and sugars in your diet.
    Be more active.
    Quit smoking.
    Limit alcohol.


    You also may need medicine to help lower your triglycerides, but your doctor likely will ask you to try diet and lifestyle changes first.
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    Newsflash: You're going to die whatever you do.

    You're here to enjoy yourself, do it and stop fucking around. Who gives a fuck if you're cutting 5 or 10 years off your life - from what I've seen most old people lead a pretty shitty existence anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by billy the kid View Post
    was told by a pal that the ingredient responsible for a healthy heart
    was in the red grape
    but when turned to alcohol the benefit was lost.
    But the studies on red wine and the "French Paradox" (and the Mediterreanean diet) have been studied at length over time.

    Red Wine works.

    so maybe just another ploy to sell stuff that doesn't do what it says it will do.
    Oh, I'm sure the wine industry likes this and they probably advocate (quietly) consuming more than 4-6 oz per day for "heart health."

    An industry like any other. They want higher consumption with equal higher sales.

    at your age exercise is favourite with sensible home cooking.
    Definitely.

    At restaurants, who knows what we are eating?

    it's my favourite drink but ouch
    when i wake up in the morning.
    I only have 4-6-8 ounces per day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbaro
    Are these foil-soft containers stored inside a box with a sealed spout just as good as a bottle? I assume no air gets in/out.
    They are awesome, when youve finished the contents you can simply blow them up and youve got a bloody good pillow

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbaro
    The 5 liter container is not a jug (I posted bad). It's a sealed 'foil-like' container with a spout. Yes, enjoying the wine is important. Are these foil-soft containers stored inside a box with a sealed spout just as good as a bottle?
    those boxes usually just contain cheap plonk

    I suppose they keep the wine quite well once started but why drink cheap plonk?

    who knows what additives they have thrown in to make the wine - there are no controls over the rubbish end of the market
    you say you are drinking for health benefits, sounds good

    do you do any real exercise?
    I have reported your post

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    red wine contains Resveratrol, some very popular supplement...
    it prevents cell death...

    red wine is an anti-aging-food...

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    I've read articles on the merits of red wine and a few weeks ago read that when you eat grapes, you should eat the seeds as well as they have especially good stuff too. It obviously isn't helping my memory of what that stuff was but I guess anything from grapes is good for you.
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    true, its in grapes... f.cking expensive here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmark View Post
    Drinking red wine has been portrayed by the media as a means of combating heart disease. Do these claims have any real medical basis?
    I posted a study in the OP.

    There have been other studies as well. I realize it's important not to jump to conclusions on 'medical studies.'

    But if the sample size and length is good and there are not contradicting studies (there may be) then, I lean with the results.

    The main health benefit of moderate alcohol use appears to be related to its effect on the development of atherosclerosis or the accumulation of fatty plaques in the blood vessels, particularly the coronary arteries that supply the heart.
    Please note that I am referring to red wine, and not moderate 'alcohol' use.

    These deposits decrease blood flow to the heart and may promote the formation of vessel-blocking clots, which can result in anginal chest pain or even a life-threatening heart attack.
    It seems like you concur with the red wine studies?

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    I've been drinking 6 oz. per night. Enjoyable taste and perhaps it'll help. Merlot is the favorite.

    Any members imbibing on the fine reds?

    Benefits of Moderate Drinking

    Over the years, several long-term studies have been conducted comparing drinkers to non-drinkers. There have also been studies comparing wine drinkers to spirits/beer drinkers. Here are some of the more interesting findings:

    Wine drinkers have a 34% lower mortality rate than spirits/beer drinkers. (2)
    Moderate drinkers have 30% less risk than non-drinkers of developing type 2 diabetes. (3)
    Brain function declines less quickly in moderate drinkers than non-drinkers. (4)
    I didn't know that cinnamon had such high anti-oxidents.

    Red Wine vs. Antioxidant Rich Foods

    Semi-Sweet Chocolate Chips – 9,000 (1/4 cup)
    Full-Bodied Red Wine 7,700 (6 oz glass)
    Blueberries – 6,500 (1 cup)
    Pomengranate Juice – 5,500 (6 oz glass)
    Cinnamon – 5,200 (teaspoon)
    Açaí Juice – 3,030 (6 oz glass)
    Cooked Tomatoes – 1,350 (1 cup)
    Stay Young With The Health Benefits of Red Wine

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    If you take the time to care about your diet as you are doing I think you have to get some benefits from something like this. I saw a story again today that coffee has benefits for eyesight and it too has antioxidants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbaro
    A couple of months ago I bought a 5 litre jug/container of Merlot red wine from France to start a daily routine of drinking a 6 oz. glass per day.
    Do you have it before of after your daily tablespoon of olive oil, snaff?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merrimack View Post
    If you take the time to care about your diet as you are doing I think you have to get some benefits from something like this. I saw a story again today that coffee has benefits for eyesight and it too has antioxidants.
    Coffee.

    Yes, I drink at least 3 cups per day for the liver and the other health benefits that have been reported about in studies.

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    Have you seen any of your blood work or other numbers change since you started getting into eating with more concern?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by barbaro
    A couple of months ago I bought a 5 litre jug/container of Merlot red wine from France to start a daily routine of drinking a 6 oz. glass per day.
    Do you have it before of after your daily tablespoon of olive oil, snaff?
    After.

    I'm up to 2-3 tablespoon of EVOO (Extra Virgin Olive Oil). I usual pour it over salad, or a sandwhich or something like that.

    The wine is in the evening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merrimack View Post
    Have you seen any of your blood work or other numbers change since you started getting into eating with more concern?
    Getting into eating with more concernt?

    Please clarify.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbaro View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Merrimack View Post
    Have you seen any of your blood work or other numbers change since you started getting into eating with more concern?
    Getting into eating with more concernt?

    Please clarify.
    I just meant eating specific foods with health in mind. Have you seen any noticeable positive changes in your cholesterol or other bodily stats? Whether you have or haven't see evidence of health improvements I still think that what you are doing is a better way to live than the way most careless eaters like myself do. I hope to get into that way of eating in the future. I don't live a normal life right now at all but eventually things will be better.

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