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Old 13-06-2010, 01:51 AM   #1 (permalink)
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income from rubber trees

Can anyone please give me a rough idea about the income per month // per rai we should achieve from growing rubber trees.??

Also does anyone know the rough price of bare land in North issan to buy for growing them on ? I think about 190000 per rai ?

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Atfer 5 year maturity of the trees you should expect around bhat 2,000 per rai per month. Land price without tree around 60,000 bhat per rai
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How does rubber do in Isaan?

As a follow up question (unauthorized, but on behalf of "nigelandjan"...)

How do rubber trees do in the Northeast?

It's a lot drier than the South. You don't see a whole lot of rubber plantations in Isaan; didn't know if that was just tradition/culture or if there were sound agricultural reasons not to push a lot of rubber in the Northeast.
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Thai gov figures suggest 271 kg per rai per year.
Today, Sunday rubber is 45 baht a kilo, or about a quid.
So 271 quid a year.
Trees are mature at 7 years and will produce rubber for 20 years.
He's the nice bit.
Say you have 100 rai, 72 trees per rai, that 7200 tree.
Each one in 25 years time will probably be worth 30 quid in timbre.
Nice little back end earner.
PJ is correct, yeilds are better in the south.
In Malaysia for instance they are nearly double
Also there are hybrid variaties of trees.
Most the boys round here grow RM 600, it's the most common.
The best type I think is RM6610 which again has nearly double the yeild of RM 600.
AND, if you employ people to cut the rubber they will be expecting about a 50 50 cut on the money, more in their favour if the trees are old or on a hill.
To continue, there will also be expenses like fertilizer. Don't think it's much though.
Don,t get muppets to cut the trees, an inexperience worker will mess them up and can half a trees yeild.
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^ AGREE! tough road especially in Isaan I would think. Not as much water as the Southern Kra peninsular Thailand and in the Chantaburi region.

This subject was discussed extensively a couple of years ago here on TD. Do a search and I'm sure you'll find the data useable.

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About making money with rubber....
I bought 10,000 Sri Trang (STA) shares during the crisis at 9 baht ... sold them at 14 during the King's death rumors ... now they quote over 60.
I had also bought 10,000 Thai Rubber (TRUBB) at 26 one year before the crash.
Saw them falling to 9 and sold when bounced to 28 . They too quote over 60 now.
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Yep, wefearourpussspot.
Rubber went down to 5 baht a kg at one time last year.
About the time we were paying 18 baht a litre for diesel.
I had to pay to feed the family.
45 today, well this morning at Muaray Rubber in Rayong.
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Rubber always bounces back! Right?
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Cheers for all replies everyone , most informative ,,,,,, some good news about the land price , although the missus informs me she was talking about 10 rai price so were looking at about 20000 per rai here , its not main road land but is accessed by various tracks

Oh also anyone reading this , the rest of the family are growing many many rai of trees in Issan , I know my brother and sister in law have enough trees to give an income of around 1000 per month , so yes the trees do grow ok here ,, mabe better in the south but its ok.
My other brother in law is a partner in a rubber tree nursery so we will be getting the saplings at a good price .
Again thanks for the info
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600 saplings are about 12 baht here.
That may well be farang price.
10 rai 720 trees.
So hardly big potatoes.
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Panama Hat at one point was involved with system that increases each tree's production significantly. He tried to explain it to me over coffee one day but it was over my head I guess.

As I recall it was a patch of some type that you attached to the tree. Payback was very short on producing rubber stands.

At the time it seemed a no brainer to me, but I wasn't directly involved in rubber (the family was) and you know how hard it is to change anything here.

Maybe send him a pm and check it out.??

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Sorry Dogcatcher you missunderstood me ,,,,,, I was refering to the price in my original post about 190K for 10 rai ,,,,,, I think in total she,e looking at 40 rai , so that will be a nice little supplement for us ,,,,,,were happy being comfortable in our lives ,,,,,,not interested in having the latest car or the biggest driveway
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Nigel, a question.
If you have all this rubber know how in the family why are you asking us about it?
I know sometimes it is difficult to get to the bottom of shit in this country but with enough land and rubber in the family to create 12k a year then surely there are better places to ask.
Just a thought.
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Ok, we are about to rent 47 rai, I recon 10k a year turnover.
Cost of rental, 50,000 baht for 1 year.
Maybe that is a better solution?
will see a profit of about 4K.
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Just a few words of warning to potential rubber planters. It will cost much more than you think. A ball park figure think about $2000 US per rai before you start to get a return. There is alot more to setting up a profitable plantation than just sticking some trees in the ground.
This is my 7/8th year and we will make our first profit, but it was a long frustrating and expensive journey to get here.
As I have posted before I have placed some videos on youtube on the subject. Just type jamescollister in the seach. Jim
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There are a lot of farmers growing rubber in Isan, and the government is pushing for more to grow it. Presumably there must be some validity for growing it here
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Just a few words of warning to potential rubber planters. It will cost much more than you think. A ball park figure think about $2000 US per rai before you start to get a return. There is alot more to setting up a profitable plantation than just sticking some trees in the ground.
This is my 7/8th year and we will make our first profit, but it was a long frustrating and expensive journey to get here.
As I have posted before I have placed some videos on youtube on the subject. Just type jamescollister in the seach. Jim
Like to see a breakdown of your 2000 a rai over 6 years.
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Say 50 rai.
50 rai x 250 dollar a year return per rai. Equals 12,500 dollar a year return.
You pay 6000 dollars in wages per year.
Total prof after other exes maybe 6000 dollar a year.
Setup 2000 x 50 rai is 100,000 dollar.
start turning a profit at 17 years in.
Wife doing the books?
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Just a few words of warning to potential rubber planters. It will cost much more than you think. A ball park figure think about $2000 US per rai before you start to get a return. There is alot more to setting up a profitable plantation than just sticking some trees in the ground.
This is my 7/8th year and we will make our first profit, but it was a long frustrating and expensive journey to get here.
As I have posted before I have placed some videos on youtube on the subject. Just type jamescollister in the seach. Jim
Like to see a breakdown of your 2000 a rai over 6 years.
In hindsight I should have keep a spread sheet on costs, but it never occured to me at the time.
Just some of the costs that most fail to take into account. Fertiliser 100 rai 80 bags twice a year. About 1000 baht per bag. 160,000 baht per year. People to spread it, cut the grass around the trees etc. workers to plant thousands of trees. Plus vehicles to transport all of the above. The plantations need to be ploughed twice a year for the first 2/3 years. so cost of a tractor or rental. Workers to cut the branches as they grow. Water pumps and tanks to water the young trees during the dry season. I could go on,but the list is long and nothing is free. Jim
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Don't do none of that round here.
Also don't buy the fertilizer, my lot grow it.
Grow pineapples around the young trees, and occationally bananas.
Where are you?
I am in a commercial rubber growing area, I see none of this.
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Don't do none of that round here.
Also don't buy the fertilizer, my lot grow it.
Grow pineapples around the young trees, and occationally bananas.
Where are you?
I am in a commercial rubber growing area, I see none of this.
I am near Buntharik, about 130 km southeast of Ubon and yes many Thais do it on the cheap. Thats why they get low rubber out put and lots of dead trees. If you are going to make money from rubber you need to do the hard yards first otherwise you end up with small under producing trees. I have seen locals lose 90% of there young trees. Thats no way to run a business. Jim
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Agreed, I'm actually talking about the likes of Muaray Rubber and Thai tex.
Monster producers.
But seriously other than the fert they pretty much let the trees get on with it, even the saplings.
Weeding is taken care of by filling the space with other stuff.
Bananas cos they create shade and pineapples, not sure why.
My Thai lot won't get involved in virgin land, they rent only land witnh trees 10 years old or more, but never more than 20.
You are using a mineral fert? Probably a Gramafix thing.
My lot grow a plant that they mulch and use instead, although they do supplement it with a bought product.
Yeilds here are about 250 a rai, which is a bit lower than it should be in Issan I would expect a little less.
Never seen any watering going on, at all. Maybe it's the lye of the land here but the place is in a valley and holds moisture well.
What are your yeilds?
100,000 dollar is alot of money for the return you will get.
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Sorry, not 100k. 200k if you have 100 rai.
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Agreed, I'm actually talking about the likes of Muaray Rubber and Thai tex.
Monster producers.
But seriously other than the fert they pretty much let the trees get on with it, even the saplings.
Weeding is taken care of by filling the space with other stuff.
Bananas cos they create shade and pineapples, not sure why.
My Thai lot won't get involved in virgin land, they rent only land witnh trees 10 years old or more, but never more than 20.
You are using a mineral fert? Probably a Gramafix thing.
My lot grow a plant that they mulch and use instead, although they do supplement it with a bought product.
Yeilds here are about 250 a rai, which is a bit lower than it should be in Issan I would expect a little less.
Never seen any watering going on, at all. Maybe it's the lye of the land here but the place is in a valley and holds moisture well.
What are your yeilds?
100,000 dollar is alot of money for the return you will get.
Yes it is a lot of money, but when I decided to have a go at rubber I knew it was all or nothing. I still don't know if it will be a real winner or not. Started tapping the first 1000 trees last year and didn't make a cent. The trees take time to learn to produce latex and out put will continue to rise as the years go by. We opened another 1000 trees this year which are not producing much usable latex yet. Saying that yesterdays tap was 60 kilos and should be over 100 kilos by the end of the year. So I will not have an exact output picture untill about year 10 or 11.
You are right about lower rain fall in Issan, but rain fall is higher where we are and this is where most of Issans rubber is gowing, along the Cambodia Lao border and along the Mekong.
The watering thing is only for young trees, we have a long hot dry season and the small trees root systems can not reach down to the wet ground for the first few years. After that they are fine.
Have to say I am still learning how to do things and could have save lots of money ealier on if I knew then what I know now, Jim
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