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sunsetter · 25-11-2008, 01:19 AM

shouldve got some pics of the missus going into the red, that wouldve been a giggle

SEA Traveler · 25-11-2008, 02:27 AM

Khun Loom,

As U R only too well aware, any suggestings to alter the local practices for the way in doing something, especially by a non local, too often gets overlooked. Now U had the last laugh when it came to the cement truck but the agrivation one goes through to get stuff accomplished the way it one want's is of no consequence to the locals. Again, it might very well be a face thing.

Anyway, I'm taking notes as my garden project will commence upon my return back to Thai in Jan. Keep the good stuff coming.... Ciao!

Loombucket · 25-11-2008, 03:43 AM

After the briefest ice cold beer, and a quick coffee for the camera man, the team gerd themselves into a frenzy of inconsequence. The new guy assumes point and sprays a bit of water about. The others prepare for an exciting session of jodding and squelchy toes.

About four hours after the cement truck pulled in, we are ready to start pouring.

Progress is rapid but we have to add a lot of water to the mix to make it workable. This means that we have a wide splatter area and lots of mess.

This old bit of roofing was pressed into sevice when the driver chickened out of any more complicated reversing manouvers.

The point man (never did get his name) proved to be very handy with the float so the others let him get on with it.

It was just starting to look fantastic, when the local fourlegged inspector came around for a quick sniff and thought that he was in Hollywood.

Fortunately, we noticed it in time,

..and the team managed a very good job. The groove, between the old and the new, is to stop a large crack forming and is not deep enough to fall over.

The driver wanted extra money because he had been there most of the afternoon and reckoned that he could have got another load in for someone else. Mrs. LoomB politely pointed out that when Papa (me) tells you to come in backwards and reverse to the pouring point, it is because he knows that the ground is wet, and now he has to pay people for five hours instead of three. The driver waied me and rapidly vanished.

Loong kindly stayed late and filled in all the holes made by the mixer,

...and Mow posed with his Isaan style, ground worker's sock, before a quick wash and home to feed his Cows.

Issan Man · 25-11-2008, 05:01 AM

LoomB,What is Thai skin made from,don't they get concrete Burns?!!.I find it amazing that they can paddle around in concrete and nothing happens to there skin,the bladdy stuff burnt me oneday on site,and now I am very cautious when pouring foundations.Also it's good to see that it is not just British readymix drivers,that have a habit of getting stuck even when they are told not to drive on to a certain area

Loombucket · 25-11-2008, 06:49 AM

^No, for some reason they don't seem to be affected by cement. They don't even sneeze when there's powder in the air. As for the mixer, we always order from the same company and nower days, we get a better deal. We have had the same two drivers for most of the deliveries and they should know better by now.

Mind you, if I was driving the truck and some 'jolly foreigner', with only a passing knowlege of English, told me what to do, or where to go, I would probably ignore them and seek further clarification.

Loombucket · 30-11-2008, 11:47 PM

With the cementing completed and the edges removed, I figured that that was everything just about done and I was keen to get on with some planting. I had bought some baby Fu ang Far, in pots, ages ago. I had them just outside the door back at the bugalow and had been loving them every day. Unfortunately, they don't like a lot of water/tlc and had responded by dropping all the pretty bits and turning brown. Once moved to a lonely spot and forgotten about, they soon recovered.

I had chosen my spot with care and had a number of colours that went well together. I really fancied a low hedge at the edge of the path opposite the front door so I made a little test area, to see what would happen. First we dig a hole, a bit bigger than the pot that the plant is in. As you can see, the soil is a mixture of sand, clay and that red/brown stuff.

Next, we cut up the soil at the bottom to give some sort of transition from the good stuff at the top.

Good stuff is available in many forms. This Panda brand is similar to potting compost and will give our babies a decent start.

We mix a little good stuff with the soil at the bottom and end up with a bit of neat at the top.

We are not going to firm it down yet, as the sharp eyed amongst you will have noticed that we haven't put the plant in. I always make the hole with my fist or fingers, if I am using neat potting compost. That way, it gets compressed outwards and down a bit and it saves having to top off the hole afterwards. These Fu ang Far things have a delicate root structure and do not like to be handled, for this reason, we carefully cut off the plastic pot and put everything in. Dedicated sharp sissors are good for this and don't let the mrs. know that you have any.

One, in isolation, looks a little sad, so I have a few to make a run down the path and round the corner to run along the back. They will have one drink and then they will be ignored by Mr. Water-Inkan.

Meanwhile, down in the front meadow, the local amatuer Cow keeping collective have popped over to trim the grass and top up their food bins. They arrived in this lovely, Isaan style cart,

..and quickly made a big impact. That's Naa on the strimmer.

That's Naa's Dad on the wicker basket, sorting the good from the bad.

Not to be outdone, Loong2 had started to trim out the bottom of the Bamboo clump. A close inspection of all the shoots and laterals was necessary, due to them being well sharp.

Only two hours later, the Cow club has made a good start in the meadow.

At the end of the day, both teams have made a big difference and left a nice pile of stuff for me to burn.

I realise that there is still a tree in with that Bamboo, but I, sort of, like it so it stays. Teatime is full of talk about garden centres and I go to bed a very happy man. Unfortunately, the next day was the day I came off the bike.......

Takeovers · 30-11-2008, 11:58 PM

Thanks for the reprieve from all that present gloom and doom.

Your gardenproject comes along nicely.

Issan Man · 01-12-2008, 01:10 AM

Looking Good LoomB,do you have to put any Fertilizer in the bottom of the holes when planting,like Blood,fish and Bone,or just let the plants get on with it?.Fu ang Far must be Hardy little Buggers if they don't need regular visit's from Khun Nam-inkan

Loombucket · 02-12-2008, 04:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Issan Man

Looking Good LoomB,do you have to put any Fertilizer in the bottom of the holes when planting,like Blood,fish and Bone,or just let the plants get on with it?.Fu ang Far must be Hardy little Buggers if they don't need regular visit's from Khun Nam-inkan

The English speaking Husband, of the Woman that does the best noodles in the area, told me that they love poor soil and that it should be well drained. Other than that, put them in and leave them alone. I have yet to see if that was good advice, but at about 33Bht each, I can easily get some more and have another go. I tried to make the medium in the holes, the same as was in the pots. Time will tell.

Johnny Longprong · 02-12-2008, 12:37 PM

Bouganvillia are hard to kill. They do respond to pruning just before the peak growth season. A bit of Potassium Sulphate (potash) watered on them in the growing season promotes flowering. When they get established you can prune them like a hedge alright.

Thanks for the thread LB. You have interesting and challenging ground to work with there. Maybe some Gypsum would help you break up the clay in the areas you plan to use for gardens etc.

LSNEED · 04-12-2008, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loombucket

Preamble and disclaimer

This is all based on my experiences. When I make sweeping statements like 'everyone, no one, anywhere' and 'nowhere' etc, I mean around my local commumity. I can't speak for all of LOS.

No matter where your house is, no matter how large your garden, one will, at some point, want to have somethings in it that look nice. Even if you do all the planning and have people round to do the actual digging, there will come a time when you need to get your own hands dirty. The soil in Thailand is something else and the western style Fork and spade, whilst available in some places, are not ideal weapons of choice.

Lets start from the begining. This is known as the Jod or back hoe and is used for just about everything from digging, weeding, mixing cement, raking chippings and cutting roots. Every home has one, farms usually have an assortment of large and small ones and some have holes in the back to let water drain out

The handle fits inro a 'D' shaped hole at the back and is secured with a simple wedge. The handle is missing here because I have just broken it! This is the side view showing the curve of the blade and the handy reinforcing bits on the sides, When new, the edge of the blade is blunt but this is quickly worn into something that you wouldn't want to cut your foot with.

Getting the handle length just right, for you, is a trial and error thing, because everyone is different. Once you master the art of swinging the thing, however, you realise that you can work quite fast with it. One word of warning is that you will be using a different set of muscles, as opposed to using a spade or fork, so start gradually , or your back will protest. As with all outdoor work, of couse, you will still need the hat, the shade and the water. The Thai 'hottie' with shorts and matching ice bucket is an optional extra, but I tend to find that they put me off my stroke.

Next up, we have the post hole tool, I never did find out the local name, more accurate than the Jod but time consuming and painfull on my palms. The small one is great for weeding the flower beds.

The next 'essential item' is a rake, to collect all those weeds and bits of grass. This one is made from rebar and is grafted onto a wooden handle. It's a tad heavy but should last for years.

Lastly, for this introduction, and regular readers will recognise, my first Isaan style tipping wheel barrow. It is not a big thing, but heavy enough when full of soil. The twin wheels take a bit of getting used to, but only round the corners.

Having borrowed the one that the Gardener lent us, for a few weeks, I just had to have my own.

Preamble over, where the heck do I start?

The tree line, down the field, had been great at the begining and provided suficient shade for lake, and pipe, workers and small picnics that I insisted on, to help me 'bond' with the place.

Unfortunately, they were Eucalyptus, grow like the blazes and suck all the water and goodness from the soil around them. The branches were soon sacrificed for scaffolding and the stumps looked a wee bit sad. There was no way I was going to dig the blooming things out though. Fortunately there was a handy digger in another thread.

He soon made some bladdy great holes. You can clearly see the area of the grass/weeds that the trees have affected.

This is one of the smaller roots.

With the last bits of root romoved, and the holes filled in, I decided to let Mother nature do her thing and let the ground recover. I knew that it wouldn't take that long.

So true what you say, I will enjoy reading this thread as much as Idid your housebuilding one. Best of luck and have fun.

Propagator · 07-12-2008, 11:28 PM

Looking good LB, and have only just caught up with this thread. I forget where you are, but if you are within a reasonable distance of Phu Rua that would be a good place to get roses and any other stuff at about half the price normally paid. I got 20 roses bushes, some very nice, there a couple of weeks ago, 10 baht each with a couple thrown in free.

Loombucket · 08-12-2008, 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Propagator

Looking good LB, and have only just caught up with this thread. I forget where you are, but if you are within a reasonable distance of Phu Rua that would be a good place to get roses and any other stuff at about half the price normally paid. I got 20 roses bushes, some very nice, there a couple of weeks ago, 10 baht each with a couple thrown in free.

Thanks Props, I will follow up on that.

More to come here but still missing some pix - Sorry everyone.

SunTzu · 08-12-2008, 08:40 PM

Another great thread ! Gimme more by the Bucket !

Nice thing the way you treated those eucalyptuses, not a better way to deal with those !
I love that rare animal paddling in the lake too, half plant, half human ! ^^

Will be following your adventures with delight !

++ ^^

sabang · 08-12-2008, 10:17 PM

Good stuff loomy- it will be nice to see how your garden develops over time.

Might even stir me into action to do something with my Ubon mess.

Loombucket · 11-12-2008, 08:36 PM

More time passes

Right, I'm still opperating with one hand, but I'm off the painkillers and daily making a nuisance of myself because I want to play in the garden. One day whilst er.. G/f goes to the Temple in Khorat, I sneak out and bash the old water pots with a hammer. This makes me feel that I am making a contribution, but leaves my left hand feeling useless for ages.

Inspired by this small success, I retrain the remaining fingers to hold the jod, and armed with some rope, a few stakes, a hammer and the usual sun protection, I start to make a path type clearing, down to the lake. The two poles mark the gateway in the wall. Note the handy, Issan style, wind gauge.

A quick check from the balcony, revealed that it was not quite in the right place and needed to go left a few yards. At least now I can get the barrow down to the lake without going the long way round. Next up, was a little repair work to the edges of the lake. This was a, relatively, simple job of clearing the soil back from the planks, checking the stakes to see how they had been broken, replacing the stakes and then shoving the earth back.

Many of the supports had been broken by the builders, who were making up cement for the improved water runoff on the lake side of the land drain. I ended up redoing about six metres of the edge and made a mental note to keep any future workmen, well away. What really annoyed me, was having to use up all my path making stakes, for another job.

The finished job pix have been lost/renamed/deleted so will will check back another time.

I needed some white paint, of any description, to highlight the drain planters, so that they stood out a bit. Don't ask me why but we had kept all the dead tins, under the watertank roof. Working on the principal that it was all water based, I found enough my mixing the dregs from six tins of ceiling white, one of wall white and some solid stuff from the base coat tub. The smell was indescribable but the concoction worked a treat. From a distance, the whole tree garden starts to look ok but the length of the grass is starting to hamper progress.

Not to worry, it will soon be party time and after we have picked up all the rubbish, the guy with the strimmer will be coming back to spend a day or two. I am quite looking forward to that first bonfire.

sunsetter · 12-12-2008, 01:55 AM

so, sorry if i missed something old chap but whats up with your hand?

Loombucket · 12-12-2008, 02:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sunsetter

so, sorry if i missed something old chap but whats up with your hand?

I had a m/c accident in the construction thread. Well, not actually in it, but whilst I was doing it. This thread is running a little behind. I am fine now but I mislaid all the later gardening pix, so I am still catching up.

Propagator · 12-12-2008, 02:42 AM

Glad you are OK now LB. Nows the time to settle in and work that garden

Don't forget we want to see a picture of them calloused hands and blisters

sunsetter · 12-12-2008, 02:47 AM

ahh yesah!! vaguely remember it, to be honest i was soo busy following the build that i kinda missed that bit, hope your healing ok mate, gardencoming on ok, take it easy!

25-11-2008, 02:27 AM	#2 (permalink)
SEA Traveler Thailand Expat Last Online: Yesterday 07:05 PM Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: USA & Ban Chang-Thailand Posts: 1,008	Khun Loom, As U R only too well aware, any suggestings to alter the local practices for the way in doing something, especially by a non local, too often gets overlooked. Now U had the last laugh when it came to the cement truck but the agrivation one goes through to get stuff accomplished the way it one want's is of no consequence to the locals. Again, it might very well be a face thing. Anyway, I'm taking notes as my garden project will commence upon my return back to Thai in Jan. Keep the good stuff coming.... Ciao! __________________ "Don't Sweat the Small Stuff....and it is all small stuff"

25-11-2008, 03:43 AM	#3 (permalink)
Loombucket Cacoethes scribendi Last Online: Yesterday 08:57 PM Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Southern England and Korat Posts: 3,006	Path extention - Part two After the briefest ice cold beer, and a quick coffee for the camera man, the team gerd themselves into a frenzy of inconsequence. The new guy assumes point and sprays a bit of water about. The others prepare for an exciting session of jodding and squelchy toes. About four hours after the cement truck pulled in, we are ready to start pouring. Progress is rapid but we have to add a lot of water to the mix to make it workable. This means that we have a wide splatter area and lots of mess. This old bit of roofing was pressed into sevice when the driver chickened out of any more complicated reversing manouvers. The point man (never did get his name) proved to be very handy with the float so the others let him get on with it. It was just starting to look fantastic, when the local fourlegged inspector came around for a quick sniff and thought that he was in Hollywood. Fortunately, we noticed it in time, ..and the team managed a very good job. The groove, between the old and the new, is to stop a large crack forming and is not deep enough to fall over. The driver wanted extra money because he had been there most of the afternoon and reckoned that he could have got another load in for someone else. Mrs. LoomB politely pointed out that when Papa (me) tells you to come in backwards and reverse to the pouring point, it is because he knows that the ground is wet, and now he has to pay people for five hours instead of three. The driver waied me and rapidly vanished. Loong kindly stayed late and filled in all the holes made by the mixer, ...and Mow posed with his Isaan style, ground worker's sock, before a quick wash and home to feed his Cows.

30-11-2008, 11:47 PM	#6 (permalink)
Loombucket Cacoethes scribendi Last Online: Yesterday 08:57 PM Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Southern England and Korat Posts: 3,006	Lets try some planting! With the cementing completed and the edges removed, I figured that that was everything just about done and I was keen to get on with some planting. I had bought some baby Fu ang Far, in pots, ages ago. I had them just outside the door back at the bugalow and had been loving them every day. Unfortunately, they don't like a lot of water/tlc and had responded by dropping all the pretty bits and turning brown. Once moved to a lonely spot and forgotten about, they soon recovered. I had chosen my spot with care and had a number of colours that went well together. I really fancied a low hedge at the edge of the path opposite the front door so I made a little test area, to see what would happen. First we dig a hole, a bit bigger than the pot that the plant is in. As you can see, the soil is a mixture of sand, clay and that red/brown stuff. Next, we cut up the soil at the bottom to give some sort of transition from the good stuff at the top. Good stuff is available in many forms. This Panda brand is similar to potting compost and will give our babies a decent start. We mix a little good stuff with the soil at the bottom and end up with a bit of neat at the top. We are not going to firm it down yet, as the sharp eyed amongst you will have noticed that we haven't put the plant in. I always make the hole with my fist or fingers, if I am using neat potting compost. That way, it gets compressed outwards and down a bit and it saves having to top off the hole afterwards. These Fu ang Far things have a delicate root structure and do not like to be handled, for this reason, we carefully cut off the plastic pot and put everything in. Dedicated sharp sissors are good for this and don't let the mrs. know that you have any. One, in isolation, looks a little sad, so I have a few to make a run down the path and round the corner to run along the back. They will have one drink and then they will be ignored by Mr. Water-Inkan. Meanwhile, down in the front meadow, the local amatuer Cow keeping collective have popped over to trim the grass and top up their food bins. They arrived in this lovely, Isaan style cart, ..and quickly made a big impact. That's Naa on the strimmer. That's Naa's Dad on the wicker basket, sorting the good from the bad. Not to be outdone, Loong2 had started to trim out the bottom of the Bamboo clump. A close inspection of all the shoots and laterals was necessary, due to them being well sharp. Only two hours later, the Cow club has made a good start in the meadow. At the end of the day, both teams have made a big difference and left a nice pile of stuff for me to burn. I realise that there is still a tree in with that Bamboo, but I, sort of, like it so it stays. Teatime is full of talk about garden centres and I go to bed a very happy man. Unfortunately, the next day was the day I came off the bike.......

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25-11-2008, 01:19 AM	#1 (permalink)
sunsetter Thailand Expat Last Online: 21-11-2009 04:06 PM Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: londonthani Posts: 2,194	shouldve got some pics of the missus going into the red, that wouldve been a giggle

25-11-2008, 05:01 AM	#4 (permalink)
Issan Man Railay Beach Last Online: 14-07-2009 05:19 PM Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 114	LoomB,What is Thai skin made from,don't they get concrete Burns?!!.I find it amazing that they can paddle around in concrete and nothing happens to there skin,the bladdy stuff burnt me oneday on site,and now I am very cautious when pouring foundations.Also it's good to see that it is not just British readymix drivers,that have a habit of getting stuck even when they are told not to drive on to a certain area

25-11-2008, 06:49 AM	#5 (permalink)
Loombucket Cacoethes scribendi Last Online: Yesterday 08:57 PM Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Southern England and Korat Posts: 3,006	^No, for some reason they don't seem to be affected by cement. They don't even sneeze when there's powder in the air. As for the mixer, we always order from the same company and nower days, we get a better deal. We have had the same two drivers for most of the deliveries and they should know better by now. Mind you, if I was driving the truck and some 'jolly foreigner', with only a passing knowlege of English, told me what to do, or where to go, I would probably ignore them and seek further clarification.

30-11-2008, 11:58 PM	#7 (permalink)
Takeovers Pattani Last Online: Yesterday 09:23 PM Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Berlin Germany Posts: 688	Thanks for the reprieve from all that present gloom and doom. Your gardenproject comes along nicely.

01-12-2008, 01:10 AM	#8 (permalink)
Issan Man Railay Beach Last Online: 14-07-2009 05:19 PM Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 114	Looking Good LoomB,do you have to put any Fertilizer in the bottom of the holes when planting,like Blood,fish and Bone,or just let the plants get on with it?.Fu ang Far must be Hardy little Buggers if they don't need regular visit's from Khun Nam-inkan

02-12-2008, 12:37 PM	#10 (permalink)
Johnny Longprong Wat Sra Si Last Online: 17-11-2009 03:37 PM Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 913	Bouganvillia are hard to kill. They do respond to pruning just before the peak growth season. A bit of Potassium Sulphate (potash) watered on them in the growing season promotes flowering. When they get established you can prune them like a hedge alright. Thanks for the thread LB. You have interesting and challenging ground to work with there. Maybe some Gypsum would help you break up the clay in the areas you plan to use for gardens etc.

07-12-2008, 11:28 PM	#12 (permalink)
Propagator Old Git Last Online: Today 12:04 AM Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Runcorn, Cheshire, UK formerly Epsom Surrey. Posts: 3,603	Looking good LB, and have only just caught up with this thread. I forget where you are, but if you are within a reasonable distance of Phu Rua that would be a good place to get roses and any other stuff at about half the price normally paid. I got 20 roses bushes, some very nice, there a couple of weeks ago, 10 baht each with a couple thrown in free.

08-12-2008, 08:40 PM	#14 (permalink)
SunTzu Jomtien Beach Last Online: 06-11-2009 03:22 PM Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Bangkok Posts: 38	Another great thread ! Gimme more by the Bucket ! Nice thing the way you treated those eucalyptuses, not a better way to deal with those ! I love that rare animal paddling in the lake too, half plant, half human ! ^^ Will be following your adventures with delight ! ++ ^^

08-12-2008, 10:17 PM	#15 (permalink)
sabang Watching the Wheels Last Online: Yesterday 08:23 PM Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: where the streets have no name Posts: 11,574	Good stuff loomy- it will be nice to see how your garden develops over time. Might even stir me into action to do something with my Ubon mess.

11-12-2008, 08:36 PM	#16 (permalink)
Loombucket Cacoethes scribendi Last Online: Yesterday 08:57 PM Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Southern England and Korat Posts: 3,006	More time passes Right, I'm still opperating with one hand, but I'm off the painkillers and daily making a nuisance of myself because I want to play in the garden. One day whilst er.. G/f goes to the Temple in Khorat, I sneak out and bash the old water pots with a hammer. This makes me feel that I am making a contribution, but leaves my left hand feeling useless for ages. Inspired by this small success, I retrain the remaining fingers to hold the jod, and armed with some rope, a few stakes, a hammer and the usual sun protection, I start to make a path type clearing, down to the lake. The two poles mark the gateway in the wall. Note the handy, Issan style, wind gauge. A quick check from the balcony, revealed that it was not quite in the right place and needed to go left a few yards. At least now I can get the barrow down to the lake without going the long way round. Next up, was a little repair work to the edges of the lake. This was a, relatively, simple job of clearing the soil back from the planks, checking the stakes to see how they had been broken, replacing the stakes and then shoving the earth back. Many of the supports had been broken by the builders, who were making up cement for the improved water runoff on the lake side of the land drain. I ended up redoing about six metres of the edge and made a mental note to keep any future workmen, well away. What really annoyed me, was having to use up all my path making stakes, for another job. The finished job pix have been lost/renamed/deleted so will will check back another time. I needed some white paint, of any description, to highlight the drain planters, so that they stood out a bit. Don't ask me why but we had kept all the dead tins, under the watertank roof. Working on the principal that it was all water based, I found enough my mixing the dregs from six tins of ceiling white, one of wall white and some solid stuff from the base coat tub. The smell was indescribable but the concoction worked a treat. From a distance, the whole tree garden starts to look ok but the length of the grass is starting to hamper progress. Not to worry, it will soon be party time and after we have picked up all the rubbish, the guy with the strimmer will be coming back to spend a day or two. I am quite looking forward to that first bonfire.

12-12-2008, 01:55 AM	#17 (permalink)
sunsetter Thailand Expat Last Online: 21-11-2009 04:06 PM Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: londonthani Posts: 2,194	so, sorry if i missed something old chap but whats up with your hand?

12-12-2008, 02:42 AM	#19 (permalink)
Propagator Old Git Last Online: Today 12:04 AM Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Runcorn, Cheshire, UK formerly Epsom Surrey. Posts: 3,603	Glad you are OK now LB. Nows the time to settle in and work that garden Don't forget we want to see a picture of them calloused hands and blisters

12-12-2008, 02:47 AM	#20 (permalink)
sunsetter Thailand Expat Last Online: 21-11-2009 04:06 PM Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: londonthani Posts: 2,194	ahh yesah!! vaguely remember it, to be honest i was soo busy following the build that i kinda missed that bit, hope your healing ok mate, gardencoming on ok, take it easy!

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