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    Good one, Fawn...That will be taken care of by Mrs LT and her team of expats...err...experts...once the ink is dry on the contract...

    Be careful you don't hire an Aussie or Kiwi bloke to tend the flocks...

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    I live on four rai in rural Isaan and my wife purchased three cows last summer while the BIL is the one in charge of feeding and caring for them. I know absolutely nothing about raising cattle and have been told two of the cows are prengant. They were bred just before I returned from the US and it is about four months from them delivering.

    My BIL goes out each morning to cut grass for the cows and they seem to be well fed. He cared for the family cows and buffalo when he was young along with one of his brothers. My question is this. What kind of return can be expected from breeding cows? Since these cows seem to go for around 30,000 to 45,000 once they reach breeding age, is there any profit from this? I do not pay my BIL for taking care of the cows and my expenses, other than paying for the three female cows, has been minimal. I get the feeling this was all done to give my BIL something to do and to have a social boost for "raising cows."

    Worst case scenario is that I have a big BBQ at some point.

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    My sister in law has a milk licence but long hours and hard work. The question is what happens when they're too old to work? (No sons - as if they'd help!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers
    is there any profit from this?
    Dairy farming where I live seems popular but as with most farmers I don't see them living the high life. I'll do my best to get some info on returns today.

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    To this day i still still don't understand the prices of Thai cows,the meat is inedible and the cost per kilo is unbelievable ,where the meat goes is anyones guess.

    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers View Post
    I live on four rai in rural Isaan and my wife purchased three cows last summer while the BIL is the one in charge of feeding and caring for them. I know absolutely nothing about raising cattle and have been told two of the cows are prengant. They were bred just before I returned from the US and it is about four months from them delivering.

    My BIL goes out each morning to cut grass for the cows and they seem to be well fed. He cared for the family cows and buffalo when he was young along with one of his brothers. My question is this. What kind of return can be expected from breeding cows? Since these cows seem to go for around 30,000 to 45,000 once they reach breeding age, is there any profit from this? I do not pay my BIL for taking care of the cows and my expenses, other than paying for the three female cows, has been minimal. I get the feeling this was all done to give my BIL something to do and to have a social boost for "raising cows."

    Worst case scenario is that I have a big BBQ at some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico
    To this day i still still don't understand the prices of Thai cows,the meat is inedible and the cost per kilo is unbelievable ,where the meat goes is anyones guess.
    Chico different cow breeds, different meat texture. Similar to a feral chicken raised in a village to a chicken raised in a battery.

    The cows bred for their meat and milk in Thailand are usually Holstein Friesian

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    [The most popular cow that thais keep is zebu

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico
    To this day i still still don't understand the prices of Thai cows,the meat is inedible and the cost per kilo is unbelievable ,where the meat goes is anyones guess.
    Chico different cow breeds, different meat texture. Similar to a feral chicken raised in a village to a chicken raised in a battery.

    The cows bred for their meat and milk in Thailand are usually Holstein Friesian[/QUOTE]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic
    The cows bred for their meat and milk in Thailand are usually Holstein Friesian
    For milk mostly. Very few in Isaan. Plenty in central/mountian regions where pasture is better. Most in Isaan are Brahma/Charolais mix. Good for riding. Not much good for eatin.

    10 years ago the wife bought 3 calves. Raised them and sold at auction for a net loss. No doubt there must be someone making money in the cattle biz but like small farming doubt one will get rich.

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    Friesian cattle farms seem popular where I live and around the Korat area. A pleasant day can be had at the Chok Chai farm.




    Trying to get info from a farmer was a nightmare. I found out a calf costs 2,000 Baht. One that is ready for breeding will cost about 50,000 Baht. My informant was too busy to help. She supplements her farm with running the local milk cooperative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic
    Korat area
    Yes. Lots there. Big milk producing area.

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    Anyway here's a link to dairy farming in Thailand. Some interesting facts.

    http://animal.ifas.ufl.edu/elzo/pres...trittriron.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic
    Korat area
    Yes. Lots there. Big milk producing area.
    Producing bovine milk for who?
    Export...?


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    Quote Originally Posted by thaimeme
    Producing bovine milk for who?
    Export...?
    Foremost for local and export.
    Meiji Dairies more local I believe.

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    Don't the buyers come around where you live.!


    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic
    The cows bred for their meat and milk in Thailand are usually Holstein Friesian
    For milk mostly. Very few in Isaan. Plenty in central/mountian regions where pasture is better. Most in Isaan are Brahma/Charolais mix. Good for riding. Not much good for eatin.

    10 years ago the wife bought 3 calves. Raised them and sold at auction for a net loss. No doubt there must be someone making money in the cattle biz but like small farming doubt one will get rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton
    Meiji Dairies more local I believe.
    'Dutch Milk' here south of Buriram.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thaimeme
    Producing bovine milk for who? Export...?
    A little dated but
    The total amount of raw milk production in 2007 was 770 000 tonnes. About 95–97 percent of this production was processed for drinking milk. The remaining 3–5 percent was processed for cheese.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico
    Don't the buyers come around where you live.!
    Saturday auction in Roiet town they do. Been there few times just for the entertainment. Never saw a holstien. Brahma and buffalo seem all the rage. Some good Belgian beef ranches in Sakhon Nakhon. Tasty beef it is.

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    Our three cows are Brahman and I have no clue what are to be done with them. They are not milking cows since they are the wrong breed. My brother-in-law has been offered 45,000 baht for one of our cows, but do not know how they determine value here in the village.

    I will be happy to get the initial investment out of the cows which would make the entire venture a waste of time. If the calves, which are due to be born in four months, were to sold for 30,000 baht each, then that would get my attention.

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    Rick look on TV there are some good threads over,will give you a good idea what to look for..

    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers View Post
    Our three cows are Brahman and I have no clue what are to be done with them. They are not milking cows since they are the wrong breed. My brother-in-law has been offered 45,000 baht for one of our cows, but do not know how they determine value here in the village.

    I will be happy to get the initial investment out of the cows which would make the entire venture a waste of time. If the calves, which are due to be born in four months, were to sold for 30,000 baht each, then that would get my attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic
    A pleasant day can be had at the Chok Chai farm.
    They appear to be outside, are there no problems with heat, insects or diseases?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton
    Raised them and sold at auction for a net loss.
    Western accounting eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers View Post
    Our three cows are Brahman and I have no clue what are to be done with them. They are not milking cows since they are the wrong breed. My brother-in-law has been offered 45,000 baht for one of our cows, but do not know how they determine value here in the village.

    I will be happy to get the initial investment out of the cows which would make the entire venture a waste of time. If the calves, which are due to be born in four months, were to sold for 30,000 baht each, then that would get my attention.
    You want to source some Wagyu semen ( available in Siam ) as it is the only breed that will upgrade a heat tolerant breed like Brahman into something remotely edible and unique in one cross.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaitongBoy
    Be careful you don't hire an Aussie or Kiwi bloke to tend the flocks...
    OY! I resemble that remark lol...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ludwig View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers View Post
    Our three cows are Brahman and I have no clue what are to be done with them. They are not milking cows since they are the wrong breed. My brother-in-law has been offered 45,000 baht for one of our cows, but do not know how they determine value here in the village.

    I will be happy to get the initial investment out of the cows which would make the entire venture a waste of time. If the calves, which are due to be born in four months, were to sold for 30,000 baht each, then that would get my attention.
    You want to source some Wagyu semen ( available in Siam ) as it is the only breed that will upgrade a heat tolerant breed like Brahman into something remotely edible and unique in one cross.
    Interesting.

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    That way you will have to practice artificial insemination, a few YouTube clips should give you an idea of getting the job done.

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