Raising Farm Animals for Profit

**jamescollister** · 14-06-2016, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Jim, how many Rai are tapped to get 10,000 Baht per week, and is that net or gross?

That' one of those unanswerable question, all depends on price, clone type, rain fall etc, etc.

Ball park, bad prices, doing cup, OK trees, you would be safe at your cut being 10,000 Baht per week for 100 rai.

Good clones, good trees ups the output, doing sheet value adds, so a Thai sitting on his ass using tappers, with 20 rai of Thai average output trees would get around 100,000 a year.

Stroller, that's the way of the world, a boss always makes more then the hired help, don't think the system would work otherwise.
Tappers on well run plantations make a reasonable income, for what is really a part time job.

**Gazza** · 14-06-2016, 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by can123

First, you buy a pig, then you teach him to play the piano. When he is sufficiently proficient you rent him out as "live music" to bars in Pattaya. He wouldn't have to be much good to be better than most bands there and iif he failed to impress he could be turned into sausages.

Pattaya would be quite apt.
I can already hear all the bar-touts singing ''Sex and Drugs and Sausage Rolllllllllllls.....''

**Pragmatic** · 15-06-2016, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by jamescollister

just sold one plantations rubber today. Best worker and best plantation,4 taps meaning husband and wife team earned 1,000 Baht per tap, or 4,000 for the week, I do a 60/40 split, so get 6,000 Baht.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Jim, how many Rai are tapped to get 10,000 Baht per week, and is that net or gross?

Originally Posted by jamescollister

That' one of those unanswerable question, all depends on price, clone type, rain fall etc, etc.

I found this to be very informative and may well help others who are considering farming rubber trees. Article is from 2012 so bear in mind the difference in today prices.

It should be noted that it is not possible to give precise predictions of income from rubber, since there are many factors affecting income.

It would be more accurate and realistic to talk about production figures according to the type of rubber you produce. Cup rubber (rainy season) will produce more kilo's than Rss3, which is the dried and smoked sheet.

I estimate a 40% weight loss from wet sheet to dried sheet after a 2 week drying period, but prices are greater for the dried sheet and you can keep them longer than cup/ball rubber. Ball rubber cannot be stored for long periods, unless you choose to make a crepe rubber from them, which is another process whereby you can dry and keep your rubber.

The advantage of keeping rubber is that you can determine when to accept the prevailing market price, rather than being forced to sell immediately! Therefore dried rubber gives you the decision making and control!

Production has many variables such as weather! Heat, cold, wet, dry and wind all have their own influences according to the seasons and time of year! Wind can dry the cut and latex will dry and restrict flow, rain can wash you out, heat can cause drying, cold can increase turgor pressure and squeeze out the latex! Time of day or night that you cut your trees will determine prevailing temperature and directly affect production too, when season allows, cutting at night is the norm, but during the rainy season teams cut whenever it is dry enough. We have on one occasion gone 6 days without a cut due to rain! This affects your production.

Factors such as soil types will have a direct bearing on how well your trees will grow and produce, how and what you feed you trees with. Irrigation as mentioned in another post. Land maintenance and weed clearing are helpful Tree maintenance as they grow and how you cut off side branches and at what height!

Another important factor and one that needs to be right at the planting stage is the quality of your baby trees! I have found a marked difference between the growth rates of smaller root stocks to larger one’s. The larger root stocks do grow and mature quicker, whereas the smaller one’s remain puny and small for a long time! Extra feeding makes no difference. Many Thai’s say Mai Bpen Rai, or it does not matter. Who you listen to will decide your production and income. At the nursery I will would choose my own baby trees and don’t let the Thai helpers give me their worst trees! (I have finished planting). Look at the size of your little finger and compare to your thumb. If this were the difference in your baby trees, which would stand the best chance? Always in nature, the biggest wins!

After planting, loss of new trees due dry conditions can be a factor, irrigation is key to survival! If you have to re plant, then well established trees a year older will have an advantage over second year plantings. Third year re planting is a waste of time and money as they will never grow unless drastic measures are taken. If you do this you will need to cut the leaves and branches on neighbouring trees to give the smaller one’s enough sunlight to survive!

One of the most important factors is at what stage you first open your trees, if too small you will stunt their future growth. This is a scenario seen many times over here in Thailand. When you open the veins of the tree you must realize that you are in effect taking the life blood of the tree to produce your income, yet you must leave enough to let the tree continue it's growth!

Whether you cut 2 or 3 faces will affect quantities of latex as will the angle of your cut. These two last factors determine the number of vessels you open and therefore the production and future health of your trees!

How deep or shallow you cut into the tree will also have a great bearing on your income, too deep is harmful, to shallow will not produce a flow of latex, much will depend on the expertise of your cutting team. Just don't allow anyone and I mean anyone to practice on your trees. They must demonstrate their skill before we take on any new team!

The age or maturity of your trees will also be a major factor. As will the specific type of tree and planting density. I have observed the production of my father in law, prior to planting my own trees back in 2002. I witnessed production of an average of 1.7 kilo's per tree per month and this was in October/November of 2002 back when price per kilo was 18 baht. My father in law had 400 trees at that time, but by averaging his production, I could work out according to the scale of my own project, what I was likely to achieve. His trees were 12 years old at that time. Now at 22 years old they are huge, healthy and still producing well! I downsized the 1.7 kilo and work on 1 kilo per tree per month on average for 9 months of the year.

You must remember that the normal remuneration for your team will be 40% of the production or sale price, so factor this into your calculations too!

So on to market price! There can be huge fluctuations at any given time and there are seasonal influences as well as oil price influences.

Last I knew 80% of world production comes from south east asia, which includes Indonesia, Malaysia and Thailand! A pretty big market! Approximately 20% of world rubber produced is natural rubber.

So how much money can you make?? It's anyone's guess. You can work out estimates and one person can tell you this and another that. No one can really tell you because they cannot predict the weather, or control the care of your trees or where you plant them, you can only make an approximation since all factors mentioned above and more can come to bear on your venture.

A Thai may tell you one thing and a foreigner will tell you another, just work things out for yourself!

A simple sum would be 1kg/month x 80 (12 year old trees) per rai x how many rai x market price minus 40%! This will be near the mark, but not precise!

Given all the factors mentioned above you can arrive at only a general figure!

If price is 60 for cup/ball rubber baht using the above calculation, then monthly income will be 4,800 baht per rai.

Your 60% take will produce 2,880 baht per rai. If price doubles to 120 baht, but production halves, you get the same!

If price doubles to 120 baht and production doubles, then you get 11,520 baht, which is an attractive figure, but if price halves to 30 baht and production halves at the same time, then you get 720 baht, which is not attractive.

So this calculation shows you why not one person can tell you exactly how much you can make with rubber.

You just have to use the best practices you can to get the best production, after that find the highest price the market will pay you! That’s business!

What is the financial return on a rubber tree farm in Thailand?

**mykthemin** · 15-06-2016, 10:43 AM

Ok, with this meagre income how can any Farang get a long term extension of stay to live here and anyway no work permit???? So on a wing and a prayer/overstay I guess??

**Pragmatic** · 15-06-2016, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by mykthemin

Ok, with this meagre income how can any Farang get a long term extension of stay to live here and anyway no work permit???? So on a wing and a prayer/overstay I guess??

What you do is have 800,000 or 400,000 in a fixed term account, depending on marriage or retirement, and never touch it. That's your ticket to a 'long term extension of stay'.
Now if one had left ones money in a 'Teachers Bank' instead of putting it in to farming I think that would have been a better option over the long term.
'Teachers Bank' are currently paying 6.25% interest on a 1 year fixed term account in a Thai nationals name. The fcuking twats only pay 4% if it's a farang.
6.25% annual interest has to be more tempting than farming and getting fcuk all?

**mykthemin** · 15-06-2016, 02:23 PM

Most of these herberts do not have any cash to bank, just a wing and a prayer?
Please tell me the teachers bank paying that interest, the most I can find for fixed term is 1.2 ??

**Pragmatic** · 15-06-2016, 02:31 PM

I bank with the Teachers Bank in Buriram. Account is in my wife's name and get 6.25% interest for 1 year fixed term. For my visa extension I have 800,000 fixed term and I get 4% cuz I'm a farang.

**stroller** · 15-06-2016, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by mykthemin

Ok, with this meagre income how can any Farang get a long term extension of stay to live here and anyway no work permit???? So on a wing and a prayer/overstay I guess??

Since you cannot own the land, it doesn't count towards immigration financial requirements, you'd need to have enough extra money sitting in a bank and/or have another regular income, such as a pension.

Which is one more reason I decided against buying land.

**Pragmatic** · 15-06-2016, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by stroller

Which is one more reason I decided against buying land.

When I first settled here 10+ years ago land was selling at 40,000 a Rai. Now it's selling at about 200,000. I've never regretted not buying.

**mykthemin** · 15-06-2016, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

I bank with the Teachers Bank in Buriram. Account is in my wife's name and get 6.25% interest for 1 year fixed term. For my visa extension I have 800,000 fixed term and I get 4% cuz I'm a farang.

Well I have tried to find details of this bank, and nothing? is it a figment of your imagination, can you supply a website? or is it exclusively for teachers?

**jamescollister** · 15-06-2016, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by mykthemin

Ok, with this meagre income how can any Farang get a long term extension of stay to live here and anyway no work permit???? So on a wing and a prayer/overstay I guess??

So tell me, in your country can a person get off a plane with a few 100,000 Baht, start an illegal business and get a work permit, so why should you be able to here.

Work permits can be obtained for most things to do with management, being a laborer is not allowed, big deal.

Know a few guys out here who have work permits that involve agriculture, mostly in sub contracting crops from locals.

Things are much the same legally, as much of the world, but like Japan not big on immigration, good for them I say.

**stroller** · 15-06-2016, 05:03 PM

^^
I am interested as well, must be the highest interest around at the moment.

**Pragmatic** · 15-06-2016, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by mykthemin

Well I have tried to find details of this bank, and nothing? is it a figment of your imagination, can you supply a website? or is it exclusively for teachers?

It is 'Buriram Teachers Saving's CO LTD' . I, nor my wife are teachers. I can't find it on Google either.

**Pragmatic** · 15-06-2016, 05:17 PM

It is on the web.

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Buri Ram Teacher Saving Cooperative Limited

Address: 36/100 ถนน อิน จันทร์ ณรงค์, ตำบล ในเมือง อำเภอเมืองบุรีรัมย์ บุรีรัมย์ 31000

Phone:044 611 581

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**mykthemin** · 16-06-2016, 07:33 AM

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Originally Posted by mykthemin

Ok, with this meagre income how can any Farang get a long term extension of stay to live here and anyway no work permit???? So on a wing and a prayer/overstay I guess??

So tell me, in your country can a person get off a plane with a few 100,000 Baht, start an illegal business and get a work permit, so why should you be able to here.

Work permits can be obtained for most things to do with management, being a laborer is not allowed, big deal.

Know a few guys out here who have work permits that involve agriculture, mostly in sub contracting crops from locals.

Things are much the same legally, as much of the world, but like Japan not big on immigration, good for them I say.

Yes no problem in UK, have money can do anything you want to NO RESTRICTIONS.

**mykthemin** · 16-06-2016, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Originally Posted by mykthemin

Well I have tried to find details of this bank, and nothing? is it a figment of your imagination, can you supply a website? or is it exclusively for teachers?

It is 'Buriram Teachers Saving's CO LTD' . I, nor my wife are teachers. I can't find it on Google either.

so only local to Buriram? have you had any money out? to me looks too good to be true? Do immigration accept them for extensions? as clearly not a Thai Bank? more like a ponsi or pyramid scam?

**stroller** · 16-06-2016, 02:34 PM

"Savings cooperative" - we got one here locally, the main purpose seems to be for the members to borrow money with another member who is in the black signing a guarantee. The only way they can pay interest is if the borrowers actually make their monthly payments.

I advised my wife against joining - needless to say she didn't listen.

**Pragmatic** · 16-06-2016, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by mykthemin

have you had any money out? to me looks too good to be true? Do immigration accept them for extensions? as clearly not a Thai Bank? more like a ponsi or pyramid scam?

Of course I've had money out. Up to you if you don't trust it. I was of the same opinion as you when I first joined

looks too good to be true

Immigration does accept it as a source of deposited funds. I'm happy. Up to yous if you have doubts. They have a telephone number, call it and find out for yourself.

**OhOh** · 22-06-2016, 01:00 PM

Doesn't the balance only need to be the requested amounts for the previous, prior to visa extension application, 3 months?

Useful input on banking alternatives, thanks. As usual banks can fail anywhere.

It's not like its millions of £'s/$'s. 20 oz's gold (40 baht)

**Maanaam** · 30-06-2016, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by fredobkk

Hello,

We have about 8 rai in Chaiyaphum and would like to raise some animals to make a little money. With which one is more profitable ? Cow, porc, lamb, duck, chicken... ?

Thanks guys !

Fred, I think you should look at your market. What do people want?
I'm down south, and I think goat would be good because there is a high Muslim population. Being in Hatyai, there is also a huge Chinese population, so ducks would be good here.
What do people want where you are? 8 rai gives you quite a few options. Chickens, with their eggs is a thought. Everyone eats chicken, and eggs. You farm the chooks for their eggs, and then when they are off the lay, you sell them for their meat.

**Maanaam** · 30-06-2016, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

I bank with the Teachers Bank in Buriram. Account is in my wife's name and get 6.25% interest for 1 year fixed term. For my visa extension I have 800,000 fixed term and I get 4% cuz I'm a farang.

If married, I thought you only need 400 000.

**Pragmatic** · 30-06-2016, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by Maanaam

If married, I thought you only need 400 000.

Correct, but before, with a Marriage Extension, it was required you had to wait a month as it was sent for consideration. If getting a 'Retirement Extension' you got it there and then. No one month wait. That's why I did/do the 'Retirement Extension'.

**jamescollister** · 30-06-2016, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

I bank with the Teachers Bank in Buriram. Account is in my wife's name and get 6.25% interest for 1 year fixed term. For my visa extension I have 800,000 fixed term and I get 4% cuz I'm a farang.

If married, I thought you only need 400 000.

Retirement extension of stay is the simplest way to go, if you have the money.

If you don't you have to jump through the rings, your local immigration office can make it easy or hard.

As in all things, money counts.

**Pragmatic** · 03-07-2016, 11:21 AM

Post 97 was wrong. The money is my account.
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**GracelessFawn** · 08-10-2016, 06:12 PM

Starting a piggery might be a good idea. The overhead cost to start one isn't that high, and you profit after 4 months. Raising sows might even bring you more profit, if you raise their piglets as fatteners for the market. But if you do, you will have to wait 8 months to 1.2 yrs before they start producing piglets.

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