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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister View Post
    I've said it before, farming is not easy anywhere in this world and return on investment has no magic increase because it's in Thailand.

    Ask yourself, how much land/cost/work would you need to make a decent living farming in your home country, ROI is fairly even world wide.

    When people talk of 10 rai of cassava, rice a few pigs, that's not farming, that's substance for Thais and a hobby for farangs.

    You don't invest a few 100,000 Baht and expect to make a living, knew a pork buyer for for a UK shopping chain, they buy most of their pork from Thailand.
    He said he wouldn't even look at a piggery worth less then 3 mil US, too small to be viable.

    So any of you business genius please tell me where to invest in the west say a million Baht that would give you a retirement income, if you can't why would you think it's possible here.

    Anything that makes money is worth money, be it a noodle bar or a million dollar business, if you want to own it you will pay the going rate.
    As per usual Jim, just another of your down to earth common sense posts

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    Quote Originally Posted by piwanoi View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister View Post
    I've said it before, farming is not easy anywhere in this world and return on investment has no magic increase because it's in Thailand.

    Ask yourself, how much land/cost/work would you need to make a decent living farming in your home country, ROI is fairly even world wide.

    When people talk of 10 rai of cassava, rice a few pigs, that's not farming, that's substance for Thais and a hobby for farangs.

    You don't invest a few 100,000 Baht and expect to make a living, knew a pork buyer for for a UK shopping chain, they buy most of their pork from Thailand.
    He said he wouldn't even look at a piggery worth less then 3 mil US, too small to be viable.

    So any of you business genius please tell me where to invest in the west say a million Baht that would give you a retirement income, if you can't why would you think it's possible here.

    Anything that makes money is worth money, be it a noodle bar or a million dollar business, if you want to own it you will pay the going rate.
    As per usual Jim, just another of your down to earth common sense posts
    Indeed, and in great shortage amongst the tribe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thaimeme View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister View Post
    I've said it before, farming is not easy anywhere in this world and return on investment has no magic increase because it's in Thailand.

    Ask yourself, how much land/cost/work would you need to make a decent living farming in your home country, ROI is fairly even world wide.

    When people talk of 10 rai of cassava, rice a few pigs, that's not farming, that's substance for Thais and a hobby for farangs.

    You don't invest a few 100,000 Baht and expect to make a living, knew a pork buyer for for a UK shopping chain, they buy most of their pork from Thailand.
    He said he wouldn't even look at a piggery worth less then 3 mil US, too small to be viable.

    So any of you business genius please tell me where to invest in the west say a million Baht that would give you a retirement income, if you can't why would you think it's possible here.

    Anything that makes money is worth money, be it a noodle bar or a million dollar business, if you want to own it you will pay the going rate.
    As per usual Jim, just another of your down to earth common sense posts
    Indeed, and in great shortage amongst the tribe.
    Yeah you ain't seen me advocating starting a farm have you? not when all around me the Thai farmers are bollock deep in Debt through this great enterprise of Farming in Thailand .

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    Quote Originally Posted by piwanoi View Post
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    I've said it before, farming is not easy anywhere in this world and return on investment has no magic increase because it's in Thailand.

    Ask yourself, how much land/cost/work would you need to make a decent living farming in your home country, ROI is fairly even world wide.

    When people talk of 10 rai of cassava, rice a few pigs, that's not farming, that's substance for Thais and a hobby for farangs.

    You don't invest a few 100,000 Baht and expect to make a living, knew a pork buyer for for a UK shopping chain, they buy most of their pork from Thailand.
    He said he wouldn't even look at a piggery worth less then 3 mil US, too small to be viable.

    So any of you business genius please tell me where to invest in the west say a million Baht that would give you a retirement income, if you can't why would you think it's possible here.

    Anything that makes money is worth money, be it a noodle bar or a million dollar business, if you want to own it you will pay the going rate.
    As per usual Jim, just another of your down to earth common sense posts
    Indeed, and in great shortage amongst the tribe.
    Yeah you ain't seen me advocating starting a farm have you? not when all around me the Thai farmers are bollock deep in Debt through this great enterprise of Farming in Thailand .
    In defence, their debt stems from unnecessary [and easy to secure] loans, not incompetent farming practices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thaimeme View Post
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    I've said it before, farming is not easy anywhere in this world and return on investment has no magic increase because it's in Thailand.

    Ask yourself, how much land/cost/work would you need to make a decent living farming in your home country, ROI is fairly even world wide.

    When people talk of 10 rai of cassava, rice a few pigs, that's not farming, that's substance for Thais and a hobby for farangs.

    You don't invest a few 100,000 Baht and expect to make a living, knew a pork buyer for for a UK shopping chain, they buy most of their pork from Thailand.
    He said he wouldn't even look at a piggery worth less then 3 mil US, too small to be viable.

    So any of you business genius please tell me where to invest in the west say a million Baht that would give you a retirement income, if you can't why would you think it's possible here.

    Anything that makes money is worth money, be it a noodle bar or a million dollar business, if you want to own it you will pay the going rate.
    As per usual Jim, just another of your down to earth common sense posts
    Indeed, and in great shortage amongst the tribe.
    Yeah you ain't seen me advocating starting a farm have you? not when all around me the Thai farmers are bollock deep in Debt through this great enterprise of Farming in Thailand .
    In defence, their debt stems from unnecessary [and easy to secure] loans, not incompetent farming practices.
    Rice is king here as you know , you also know that the North East does not get 3 crops a year like other places in Los ,having said that many Thai's do borrow money totally unnecessarily .

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    It's very easy to make money by farming in Isaan. First, you buy a pig, then you teach him to play the piano. When he is sufficiently proficient you rent him out as "live music" to bars in Pattaya. He wouldn't have to be much good to be better than most bands there and iif he failed to impress he could be turned into sausages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by can123
    It's very easy to make money by farming in Isaan. First, you buy a pig, then you teach him to play the piano. When he is sufficiently proficient you rent him out as "live music" to bars in Pattaya.
    Most of Isaan's pigs are already working in Pattaya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by can123 View Post
    It's very easy to make money by farming in Isaan. First, you buy a pig, then you teach him to play the piano. When he is sufficiently proficient you rent him out as "live music" to bars in Pattaya. He wouldn't have to be much good to be better than most bands there and iif he failed to impress he could be turned into sausages.
    Yeah I really do like practical suggestions, any prize on the top shelf , BTW vote brexit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by can123
    It's very easy to make money by farming in Isaan. First, you buy a pig, then you teach him to play the piano. When he is sufficiently proficient you rent him out as "live music" to bars in Pattaya.
    Most of Isaan's pigs are already working in Pattaya.
    True story , a Farang who was getting married here about 3 years ago decided to have a big party with all the trimmings , he asked a good mate of mine how much a pig was , my mate said quite dryly the price varies , but so far mine's cost be about 2 million

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    Quote Originally Posted by colinneil9 View Post
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    In my opinion any one who comes here and has to work are fools and clearly never planned their future correctly.
    I would have put it so strongly. I say anyone that has to farm to survive as an expat here is fcuked from the start.
    Sorry i do not agree. I know a farang, no pension and he is growing here in Thailand, not making serious money, but making money none the less.
    Is his weed any good

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    There is some modest money to be made with Fish and Shrimp/Prawn Farming.

    'Modest' from a Thai wage perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    There is some modest money to be made with Fish and Shrimp/Prawn Farming.

    'Modest' from a Thai wage perspective.
    That's the bottom line, Thai small farming pays Thai returns, a person with a reasonable job earns, say 20,000 Baht per month and they can live, pay rent, eat, just like someone in the west on 2,000 dollars a month.

    A small farmer, no rent, few bills needs a lot less, if you as a farang can live a Thai life style, then a good profitable [Thai income] farm will keep you fed, housed for free.

    There are plenty of farangs. after securing their permission to stay, live simple farming lives, you don't need a lot of money here.

    Those who want to take up an alternate life style, need to plan, there are ways, a good steady income can come from rubber, palm oil, cashew nuts etc. you need to know how much you will require to support your life style.

    You will find few farangs on here living the farmers life, internet is a cost not necessary to living, as is aircon, new cars and nightly visits to the bar.

    A simple easy life can be had, if you are of that mind, but you will not be lord of the manor, just another farmer getting by.

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    That's if you're lucky enough for your Thai wife to own the land.

    If you need to buy the land, it will take a life-time to get the investment back.

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    The other thing is will the Thai wife be willing to accept that lifestyle. Being married to a falang normally means not having to do anything. The concept of a falang working the land or raising livestock to get by is not understood.
    When we had the pigs the locals couldn't get their heads around the fact the wife and I did all the work ourselves.
    They also think they will get things cheaper from you. "You falang not need money sell me pig cheap cheap"
    We enjoyed the lifestyle, I loved raising pigs but trying to do business with the Thai was bloody hard work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stroller
    f you need to buy the land, it will take a life-time to get the investment back.
    It's not a business investment, if the land is legal it doesn't lose value, it's a life style choice, a early retirement plan in my case.

    BD, some Thai wives work, some don't, mine takes care of the buying and selling, deals with the workers etc, maybe 5, 10 hours a week, a lot easier than a working life in Australia.

    As said, not a life for most, but it works for me, young kids and a 24/7 dad and mum.

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    Sorry Jim maybe I was being too generic. I was merely giving food for thought to people who are considering the alternative lifestyle.
    Spending quality time with the family is the most important thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    There is some modest money to be made with Fish and Shrimp/Prawn Farming.

    'Modest' from a Thai wage perspective.
    That's the bottom line, Thai small farming pays Thai returns, a person with a reasonable job earns, say 20,000 Baht per month and they can live, pay rent, eat, just like someone in the west on 2,000 dollars a month.

    A small farmer, no rent, few bills needs a lot less, if you as a farang can live a Thai life style, then a good profitable [Thai income] farm will keep you fed, housed for free.

    There are plenty of farangs. after securing their permission to stay, live simple farming lives, you don't need a lot of money here.

    Those who want to take up an alternate life style, need to plan, there are ways, a good steady income can come from rubber, palm oil, cashew nuts etc. you need to know how much you will require to support your life style.

    You will find few farangs on here living the farmers life, internet is a cost not necessary to living, as is aircon, new cars and nightly visits to the bar.

    A simple easy life can be had, if you are of that mind, but you will not be lord of the manor, just another farmer getting by.
    Great post Jim ... worth another read.

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    Pig farm is good, we seen couple years ago a British doing well with this...

    get investors back in UK to buy one piggy that will make 7 each so and so... his business plan is some where around the farming threads, or scamming threads...

    Than we seen another milk cow farmer that lost all the small herd due to a virus..

    Cassava in Thailand produces 15 to 25 tons per hectares, in Phils another variety that only gives 5 tons hectare, less starch but better taste for cakes.

    A guy in korat built up a nice setup to farm turtles, once the animals ready for the Koreans, a ban of export came to halt all, over use of antibiotics by some...

    There is a blog around in Phils of a guy that looks to harvest all he does out of season for best price, doing well but needs knowledge and experience.

    Farm humans, plant teepees and yurts, make a bed and breakie farm...

    Good luck whatever...
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    A good friend of mine who lived about 20 kms from me here in Buriram province who sadly passed away before Xmas went into pigs in a rather big way (30 breeding sows ) after two years of losing money he packed the game in an older but poorer guy ,he said the cost of pig food was the problem , reading the News from the UK its no better there too https://www.theguardian.com/environm...it-pig-farmers

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    [quote=jamescollister;3290061]
    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    There is some modest money to be made with Fish and Shrimp/Prawn Farming.

    'Modest' from a Thai wage perspective.
    That's the bottom line, Thai small farming pays Thai returns, a person with a reasonable job earns, say 20,000 Baht per month and they can live, pay rent, eat, just like someone in the west on 2,000 dollars a month.

    A small farmer, no rent, few bills needs a lot less, if you as a farang can live a Thai life style, then a good profitable [Thai income] farm will keep you fed, housed for free.

    There are plenty of farangs. after securing their permission to stay, live simple farming lives, you don't need a lot of money here.

    Good words Jim.
    Maybe I am a bit thick but as we pay our cutters 50% of product sale price and also share 50/50 maintenance costs I am at loss to understand why they should be any worse/better off than the plantation owners regardless of nationality.But somehow they always whine that they are broke..go figure Can’t speak to other agricultural products of course.

    But please do not get me wrong...I think our cutters are good honest people. They are neighbors and have their own small rubber farm, don’t gamble or even drink to excess as far as I know.
    We often supply them with veggies and fruits and they reciprocate. Gave the father my relatively new Chinese dirt bike after I got sick of looking at it, also an ancient brush cutter.Bugger fixed both and now uses. Maybe money management is not their forte or perhaps they are supporting others??

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    Quote Originally Posted by crepitas
    Maybe I am a bit thick but as we pay our cutters 50% of product sale price and also share 50/50 maintenance costs I am at loss to understand why they should be any worse/better off than the plantation owners regardless of nationality.
    How many cutters do you have?
    You are taking as much money as all of them together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crepitas
    Maybe money management is not their forte or perhaps they are supporting others??
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    All my tappers have a pickup, first thing they buy when they have the deposit, price of rubber goes down, but the payments stay the same.

    My number one tapper family, old truck, but bought a rice harvester, 1 mill Baht on payments, smart guy, always broke, but will own the harvester outright next year.

    Think we all live to the limit of our income, here or in the west, having that new I phone is more important then having a few Baht in the bank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stroller View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by crepitas
    Maybe I am a bit thick but as we pay our cutters 50% of product sale price and also share 50/50 maintenance costs I am at loss to understand why they should be any worse/better off than the plantation owners regardless of nationality.
    How many cutters do you have?
    You are taking as much money as all of them together.
    That's the idea, you get about the same as each tapper, just sold one plantations rubber today. Best worker and best plantation,4 taps meaning husband and wife team earned 1,000 Baht per tap, or 4,000 for the week, I do a 60/40 split, so get 6,000 Baht.

    I wear some of the extra costs, fuel, cups etc so ends up about 50/50 over time, when prices are better it's a straight 60/40 for everything.

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    Jim, how many Rai are tapped to get 10,000 Baht per week, and is that net or gross?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister
    That's the idea
    I understand that, fair enough if you own the land.

    But one shouldn't be wondering why cutters may be out of pocket while oneself is doing alright, when one makes as much as 10 of them combined while sipping beer on the proch.

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