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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
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    My latest is charcoal making, have free wood from our rubber plantations, good day, can earn 300 Baht for my labor.

    Question, is it worth the effort, for me it's just something to fill in the days when things are slow, which is most of the time.

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    Jim, if you didn't get free wood from your plantation and had to buy it in, would you still turn a profit?
    That's when you start needing a business plan. all the small Thai, make a Baht here and there stops.

    Once you step over the subsistence farming line, you become a business, all the regulations, taxes, permits come into play.

    For me it is a possibility as I own a factory and industrial zoned land, but for a start from scratch, you would need to be going big, meaning big investment of money.

    Anyone interested in going into the charcoal making business, have a look at charcoal bricketts from coconut shells.

    Some years ago, I was almost at the point of ordering the machines, but cataracts and rubber prices put a stop to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    Fredobkk around where I live there are quite a few pedigree cow milk farms. 8 Rai is a good size plot to start one on. That is providing you have a milk collection depot in your area. Bi-product of milk farming is the selling the calf's. All done by artificial insemination, no bulls. These cows never see pasture and are continually kept in barns/pens. I think profitable. Easy for me to find out facts and figures, if you want, as I know someone who does this.





    thanks mate, that's very interesting, which part do you live ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister View Post
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    My latest is charcoal making, have free wood from our rubber plantations, good day, can earn 300 Baht for my labor.

    Question, is it worth the effort, for me it's just something to fill in the days when things are slow, which is most of the time.

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    Jim, if you didn't get free wood from your plantation and had to buy it in, would you still turn a profit?
    That's when you start needing a business plan. all the small Thai, make a Baht here and there stops.

    Once you step over the subsistence farming line, you become a business, all the regulations, taxes, permits come into play.

    For me it is a possibility as I own a factory and industrial zoned land, but for a start from scratch, you would need to be going big, meaning big investment of money.

    Anyone interested in going into the charcoal making business, have a look at charcoal bricketts from coconut shells.

    Some years ago, I was almost at the point of ordering the machines, but cataracts and rubber prices put a stop to that.
    Thanks, James, mushrooms could be a good idea yes, what kind do you speak about. Do i need a greenhouse ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredobkk
    Mushrooms could be a good idea yes, what kind do you speak about. Do i need a greenhouse ?
    No green house needed, as to type, will depend on your expertise.

    Friend of mine issanaussie went into milky mushrooms, but you need to know what you are doing,
    There are simpler ways to start out, BIL has a mushroom shed at he back of his house, think it was a 500 Baht starter kit, you buy the prepacked small bags, sell locally, if enough locals or you get a big surplus , the company that supplies the bags will buy the excess [at a much lower price]

    There is a farm stay run by a Thai [Pak Dee I think] speaks English and does training courses, can supply all that is required.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister View Post
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    Mushrooms could be a good idea yes, what kind do you speak about. Do i need a greenhouse ?
    No green house needed, as to type, will depend on your expertise.

    Friend of mine issanaussie went into milky mushrooms, but you need to know what you are doing,
    There are simpler ways to start out, BIL has a mushroom shed at he back of his house, think it was a 500 Baht starter kit, you buy the prepacked small bags, sell locally, if enough locals or you get a big surplus , the company that supplies the bags will buy the excess [at a much lower price]

    There is a farm stay run by a Thai [Pak Dee I think] speaks English and does training courses, can supply all that is required.
    Jim, I met him once ... real nice fella.

    He held an Issan Farmers Meeting at his place ... great !

    Packdee's an retired Army Colonel living up Saraburi way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charleyboy
    wood pigs. Guy on this forum used to breed them...Made a fortune then retired to Blighty!
    Thais around here go into the "woods" and shoot the "wild" pigs. I don't believe they pay anybody. Although if you had enough land one could hold pig hunting days. Get a few Thai beaters to drive them towards the guns. What could go wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratchaburi View Post
    Me think goats
    Got a few Muslim bars in your area , have you ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by S Landreth View Post
    If you intend on keeping the animal/s on the (improved piece of) property (you have a little more than 3 acres) you might have (a lot of variables) enough area (for grazing) for one (adult) cow.

    I would not think ranching would be your best bet.
    What is "Ranching"

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    Quote Originally Posted by can123 View Post
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    Crickets , in our village there is one person that is producing and selling crickets.
    You can't go wrong.
    Bats ? Natural progression.
    He wanted advice on raising livestock, now he's thinking of raising mushrooms.

    Can't believe he's gone, just like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredobkk
    Mushrooms could be a good idea yes, what kind do you speak about. Do i need a greenhouse ?
    If you don't know then don't do.

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    Golden rule #1, if you can manage financially without working then don't work ,of course many get bored , but I find it rather odd that one should get a hobby were it entails pulling your tripes out 10 hours a day , and then can't sleep at night worrying about your investment .

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    In my opinion any one who comes here and has to work are fools and clearly never planned their future correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mykthemin View Post
    In my opinion any one who comes here and has to work are fools and clearly never planned their future correctly.
    Yeah wise words , I came living here in this area in April 2004 and over that time seen a few farangs starting up in farming ,even though their wifes family had been at it for donkeys years and were piss poor and in debt , one guy in particular an ex miner from Barnsley went into pigs and fish in a big way ,now he's 500,000 BAHT poorer but a much wiser man .

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    Personally would not relish the thought of slaughtering and butchering of live stock..
    A thought:
    Build a big smoke house and a 40 gallon drum rotisserie BBQ.
    From observation the most expensive meat products in markets are smoked or BBQd.
    Hams, bacon, smoked fish etc...could possibly be quite lucrative methinks.
    Could sell by word of mouth or via a market vendor?

    You could also spread the word that you will BBQ, smoke for others at x amount per kilo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mykthemin
    In my opinion any one who comes here and has to work are fools and clearly never planned their future correctly.
    I would have put it so strongly. I say anyone that has to farm to survive as an expat here is fcuked from the start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mykthemin View Post
    In my opinion any one who comes here and has to work are fools and clearly never planned their future correctly.
    No offense, but that is a pretty narrow minded attitude. We are not all working for 30K a month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
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    In my opinion any one who comes here and has to work are fools and clearly never planned their future correctly.
    I would have put it so strongly. I say anyone that has to farm to survive as an expat here is fcuked from the start.
    Sorry i do not agree. I know a farang, no pension and he is growing here in Thailand, not making serious money, but making money none the less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by colinneil9 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mykthemin
    In my opinion any one who comes here and has to work are fools and clearly never planned their future correctly.
    I would have put it so strongly. I say anyone that has to farm to survive as an expat here is fcuked from the start.
    Sorry i do not agree. I know a farang, no pension and he is growing here in Thailand, not making serious money, but making money none the less.
    I wonder what his hourly rate is when he reckons all his time spent and money invested ? and BTW this thread is about livestock farming

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    Quote Originally Posted by colinneil9
    Sorry i do not agree. I know a farang, no pension and he is growing here in Thailand, not making serious money, but making money none the less.
    And what was his initial outlay to start his farm and what crop does he farm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by colinneil9
    Sorry i do not agree. I know a farang, no pension and he is growing here in Thailand, not making serious money, but making money none the less.
    And what was his initial outlay to start his farm and what crop does he farm.
    I remember a good Aussie friend of mine who met his maker 4 years ago this August who grew 8 rai of cassava , he said when they harvested it his wife was bragging to the neighbours how much money they had made , he dryly said when you take into account labour ,transport , fertilizer and tractor hire expenses which obviously she didn't take into account the money they ACTUALLY made would not have paid the price of 2 good night's out in Pattaya with his other Aussie mates .

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    Piwanoi a person buys a Rai of land at 150,000 Baht. He grows Cassava, if there was a better crop he'd grow that, but there isn't.
    A Rai of land should produce about 5 metric tons. The farmer takes it to the merchant and gets currently 1,300 Baht per metric ton less 10% for dirt. I then believe money is deducted for it being wet ie fresh and not dry. How much I don't know.
    Then deduct labour, fertilizer, pesticide, transport and tax. I'd imagine a farmer would receive about half his 6,500 Baht per Rai. Now bearing in mind he bought the land at 150,000 Baht a Rai, how many years before he sees a return on his outlay?

    Edit; The 1,300 Baht per metric to should be times 5. So a farmer initially get 6,500 Baht per Rai per year less deductions. I hope I've got that right now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    Piwanoi a person buys a Rai of land at 150,000 Baht. He grows Cassava, if there was a better crop he'd grow that, but there isn't.
    A Rai of land should produce about 5 metric tons. The farmer takes it to the merchant and gets currently 1,300 Baht per metric ton less 10% for dirt. I then believe money is deducted for it being wet ie fresh and not dry. How much I don't know.
    Then deduct labour, fertilizer, pesticide, transport and tax. I'd imagine a farmer would receive about half his 6,500 Baht per Rai. Now bearing in mind he bought the land at 150,000 Baht a Rai, how many years before he sees a return on his outlay?

    Edit; The 1,300 Baht per metric to should be times 5. So a farmer initially get 6,500 Baht per Rai per year less deductions. I hope I've got that right now?
    Spot on , for some strange reason many do not take into account those seemingly "hidden" expenses , as I have said many times before the Head mans son who is in Collage in Korat comes home every so often and likes to practise his English on me ,he's told me a couple of times that every farmer in my village is bollock deep in debt with many now going to either BKK or the Holiday resorts in the South to work ..,

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    The unfortunate thing about farming here is that much of the farm land is Sor Por Gor titled and therefore is only supposed to be used for agriculture. They have no choice to farm it even if they don't make money as it can be repossessed. That is my understanding of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    The unfortunate thing about farming here is that much of the farm land is Sor Por Gor titled and therefore is only supposed to be used for agriculture. They have no choice to farm it even if they don't make money as it can be repossessed. That is my understanding of it.
    Jan has 3 rai she used to plant rice on , she had it filled in and now rents it out to a guy who grows Cassava .

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    I've said it before, farming is not easy anywhere in this world and return on investment has no magic increase because it's in Thailand.

    Ask yourself, how much land/cost/work would you need to make a decent living farming in your home country, ROI is fairly even world wide.

    When people talk of 10 rai of cassava, rice a few pigs, that's not farming, that's substance for Thais and a hobby for farangs.

    You don't invest a few 100,000 Baht and expect to make a living, knew a pork buyer for for a UK shopping chain, they buy most of their pork from Thailand.
    He said he wouldn't even look at a piggery worth less then 3 mil US, too small to be viable.

    So any of you business genius please tell me where to invest in the west say a million Baht that would give you a retirement income, if you can't why would you think it's possible here.

    Anything that makes money is worth money, be it a noodle bar or a million dollar business, if you want to own it you will pay the going rate.

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