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    Swimming to Pond - What Pump?

    Having successfully having my small never used swimming pool into a koi pond, am now tad confused about what kind of pump to use. The gardener put in a
    small filtration tank and small fully submersible pump and ultra violet light (to keep the green at bay) and after just three months it's kaput. New worker suggested a water pump outside the pond and turn it on an hour each morning/afternoon. I'd told him I didn't want to use the pool pump as the whole point of the enterprise was to save on the astronomical costs of running the thing. Also, I really don't want the hassle of running another, albeit smaller pump each and every day. I'm pretty sure neither of these guys has a clue. Can someone knowledgeable please advise? Thanks.

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    Stick with a small submersible pump, go the a pond equipment supplier.
    I have a 75 watt pump water flow is about 20 m3 per hour it runs 24/7.
    Through the UV light in the bin as they use a lot of power.

    the pump cost me 2,700.00 Baht

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratchaburi View Post
    Stick with a small submersible pump, go the a pond equipment supplier.
    I have a 75 watt pump water flow is about 20 m3 per hour it runs 24/7.
    Through the UV light in the bin as they use a lot of power.

    the pump cost me 2,700.00 Baht

    Okay, thanks for this, didn't want to keep throwing money away on succession of mistakes. What's the brand? How long have you had it? Thank you

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    You didnt say size volume ,pumps of every size capacity readiy available in Wtasadu ,Global etc .If you work out height or depth times approx area any shop will offer you various qualities.

    I tried solar but not reliable for fish

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    Quote Originally Posted by david44 View Post
    You didnt say size volume ,pumps of every size capacity readiy available in Wtasadu ,Global etc .If you work out height or depth times approx area any shop will offer you various qualities.

    I tried solar but not reliable for fish
    It's a 'small swimming pool', around 4.6x6x1.5. I'm going to have to source locally, shouldn't be a problem as am on Phuket. I'm aware the amount of water matters, my erstwhile 900 baht effort having gone tits up after just three months. However, don't want to be flogging out on big electricity bill. I wouldn't even bother with solar here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tamsin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ratchaburi View Post
    Stick with a small submersible pump, go the a pond equipment supplier.
    I have a 75 watt pump water flow is about 20 m3 per hour it runs 24/7.
    Through the UV light in the bin as they use a lot of power.

    the pump cost me 2,700.00 Baht

    Okay, thanks for this, didn't want to keep throwing money away on succession of mistakes. What's the brand? How long have you had it? Thank you
    Near Ban Pong there 10 shop selling pond equipment, that's handy for me.

    I don't know what shops are in Phuket. try this one Phuket Aquarium

    As David44 posted Wtasadu ,Global etc

    What brand of pump I have, I don't know, as I have through the box out long ago & the pump is in the pond.
    the best thing is to go & look at some pump at your local store, look a the volume of water, & look at the Watts. good luck

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    Hi,

    I was chasing the same answer but more related about the Brand. I am born in germany near a factory that has high quality pumps all sizes. As I wrote to them they connected me via Singapore direct to Thailand. The brand is called Oase Pumps, bit more costy but sure a quality product and I was very surprised about the action they took. I use to call germany the service desert, but this was stunning.

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    it also depends on how many koi fishes you will have. ideally for professional koi enthusiastics. 1 fish to 1cu3 is the ideal ratio. I would divide the pool and create a filtering chamber with oyster shells to filter. than you can use low capacity pump to make sure the water are always passing through the filter. check pro koi bteaders forums for blue prints

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratchaburi View Post
    Stick with a small submersible pump, go the a pond equipment supplier.
    I have a 75 watt pump water flow is about 20 m3 per hour it runs 24/7.
    Through the UV light in the bin as they use a lot of power.

    the pump cost me 2,700.00 Baht
    Thanks for this. I'd had the garden guy put in this type of pump. However, pond still getting murkier by the day. At the point now where I can barely see the koi even at feeding time :/ Even though I change the pump nappies regularly So when you said to bin the UV (fish shop lady advised a longer UV which would clear it) because of the amount of power it uses, how much exactly? If it's a matter of just another 500 baht on the bill, would be worth it, just to get a glimpse of now Big koi fish. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by tamsin View Post
    Thanks for this. I'd had the garden guy put in this type of pump. However, pond still getting murkier by the day. At the point now where I can barely see the koi even at feeding time :/ Even though I change the pump nappies regularly So when you said to bin the UV (fish shop lady advised a longer UV which would clear it) because of the amount of power it uses, how much exactly? If it's a matter of just another 500 baht on the bill, would be worth it, just to get a glimpse of now Big koi fish. Thanks

    What sort of filtration are you using ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fondles View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by tamsin View Post
    Thanks for this. I'd had the garden guy put in this type of pump. However, pond still getting murkier by the day. At the point now where I can barely see the koi even at feeding time :/ Even though I change the pump nappies regularly So when you said to bin the UV (fish shop lady advised a longer UV which would clear it) because of the amount of power it uses, how much exactly? If it's a matter of just another 500 baht on the bill, would be worth it, just to get a glimpse of now Big koi fish. Thanks

    What sort of filtration are you using ?
    My Friend has a small koi carp pond and says unless you have UV within a couple of weeks your water will look like pea soup and it will be impossible to see your fish .

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    Quote Originally Posted by piwanoi View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fondles View Post

    What sort of filtration are you using ?
    My Friend has a small koi carp pond and says unless you have UV within a couple of weeks your water will look like pea soup and it will be impossible to see your fish .
    My pond did not have a UV on it and it never went green.

    I did have a large filter though and I put up a shade sail.

    Only "maintenance" was a 1 year empty out to clean the walls/floor.

    I cannot find a pic of the pond but here are the fish out of it for the annual pond clean.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fondles View Post
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    What sort of filtration are you using ?
    My Friend has a small koi carp pond and says unless you have UV within a couple of weeks your water will look like pea soup and it will be impossible to see your fish .
    My pond did not have a UV on it and it never went green.

    I did have a large filter though and I put up a shade sail.

    Only "maintenance" was a 1 year empty out to clean the walls/floor.

    I cannot find a pic of the pond but here are the fish out of it for the annual pond clean.

    I see you have quite a few Pleco's as well as your small Koi , Pleco's are an excellent way of keeping algae at bay as they seem to be eating it all the time , I had problems with my fish tank with green algae but now thanks to the 3 I put in the problem has ceased also it would seem that the ex swimming pond is in direct sunlight which adds to the problem , have a gander at the video

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    Quote Originally Posted by piwanoi View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by tamsin View Post
    Thanks for this. I'd had the garden guy put in this type of pump. However, pond still getting murkier by the day. At the point now where I can barely see the koi even at feeding time :/ Even though I change the pump nappies regularly So when you said to bin the UV (fish shop lady advised a longer UV which would clear it) because of the amount of power it uses, how much exactly? If it's a matter of just another 500 baht on the bill, would be worth it, just to get a glimpse of now Big koi fish. Thanks

    What sort of filtration are you using ?
    My Friend has a small koi carp pond and says unless you have UV within a couple of weeks your water will look like pea soup and it will be impossible to see your fish .
    The gardener put a tank, around a meter high, with two sacks of stones in it. Then a white fiber filter is laid on top of that, which gets changed every 3 days, or whenever I see water pouring through the outlet hose. He'd originally put the hose in the original pool drain and it almost drained half the pool before I'd noticed. Duh. So topped it up with another tanker full a couple of weeks back, but back to black as pitch now.

    It was a swimming pool, 4.5 x 6 x 1.5, so too big (and impractical), for shade sail as surrounded by trees/plants and impossible to clear all the fish (have lots of small ones too, well, the ones the Chinese Heron's left me, and water plants) and clean. Looks as though I'll have to try the UV. Another guy had poured in nam EM and killed off the lotus, which had to be replaced. Duh. Again. Though they're not looking too perky either. I'd heard of some durian mix farmers use to clear their fish tanks, but doubtful as pool/pond much bigger than fish farm tanks.

    Thanks for replies. Will try the UV and wait for the bill :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by tamsin View Post
    The gardener put a tank, around a meter high, with two sacks of stones in it. Then a white fiber filter is laid on top of that, which gets changed every 3 days, or whenever I see water pouring through the outlet hose. He'd originally put the hose in the original pool drain and it almost drained half the pool before I'd noticed.
    Why are you changing the white fiber stuff every 3 days ?

    That water coming from the outlet hose should be going back into the pond (not the drain).

    You pond has 40,000 litres of water in it. It needs a substantial filtration system (that 40,000 litres should pass through the filter twice a day(at a minimum) ideally every 2 to 3 hours though). as it is a pool it should have a bottom drain in it.

    Google bottom drain koi pond filter.

    Adequately running a pond of that size (filtration, aeration) wont be a 500b per month exercise.

    Also, get some sucker fish.
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    Yeah good advice fondles and the more people you talk to the better when starting off keeping fish , the pleco's can be bought in nearly every pet shop in Thailand they even sell them at the night market near to me price ids normally 10 baht or so for baby pleco's here , here is a bit more info on them Pleco
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    Solar Water Pumps | eBay
    This ones very small but u get the idea.
    Lots of different solar powered water pumps available.
    Should be great in Thailand .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fondles View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by tamsin View Post
    The gardener put a tank, around a meter high, with two sacks of stones in it. Then a white fiber filter is laid on top of that, which gets changed every 3 days, or whenever I see water pouring through the outlet hose. He'd originally put the hose in the original pool drain and it almost drained half the pool before I'd noticed.
    Why are you changing the white fiber stuff every 3 days ?

    That water coming from the outlet hose should be going back into the pond (not the drain).

    You pond has 40,000 litres of water in it. It needs a substantial filtration system (that 40,000 litres should pass through the filter twice a day(at a minimum) ideally every 2 to 3 hours though). as it is a pool it should have a bottom drain in it.

    Google bottom drain koi pond filter.

    Adequately running a pond of that size (filtration, aeration) wont be a 500b per month exercise.

    Also, get some sucker fish.
    I've just this weekend had the small filter changed to a BIG one with sand/anthracite/carbon which needs backwashing every 2-3 days. I knew the last filter was too small, but have had to rely on 'advice' from various changs who, it transpired, knew even less than I 'did' about fish ponds. The guy selling it installed himself, but not before telling me to completely change ALL of the water. Thereafter ensued a mudbath ending with the death of all of my BIG Koi, bar one, (around a foot plus long), carefully nurtured after the past year. The f@%cking idiots had taken them out of the pool and put them in a non aerated concrete encrusted bowl, before I'd told them to quickly fill up my bath and transfer them. Too late

    So this morning popped off to local fish shop to re stock and supply company for last lone fish who seemed to have perked up

    On another note, when they'd pulled out the three large pots once containing my second attempt to grow Lotus, I'd noted the the holes for drainage of land based plants in the bottoms hadn't been filled in. These had been installed by a local garden outfit. There really is no end to the stupidity of some here. I've had the holes filled in and am awaiting delivery of attempt number three. They will be mounted on pillars with the water just covering the tops, which I will also fill with small stones. Garden shop had advised against this before as 'bua cannot sprout new shoots'. Well weeds around various other stoned plants and trees have no problem!

    A nice neighbour on learning of my tragedy has offered some fish which are, spookily, very much like Koi but with great wide mouths a la catfish. They're in a smallish pond and he says he's tired of taking care of these 'Tench'?? as they shit a lot and eat like Piranha. I've been told when moved to a bigger environment they of course grow exponentially. Mai ow Anyone know the Thai name?

    Anyhoo. Expensive lessons learned. Hope this helps anyone thinking of doing the same ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by tamsin View Post
    I've just this weekend had the small filter changed to a BIG one with sand/anthracite/carbon which needs backwashing every 2-3 days.
    Why would it need backwashing, and where are you backwashing it to.... not back into the pond I hope.

    If the filter is adequate is should rarely need to be touched.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fondles View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by tamsin View Post
    I've just this weekend had the small filter changed to a BIG one with sand/anthracite/carbon which needs backwashing every 2-3 days.
    Why would it need backwashing, and where are you backwashing it to.... not back into the pond I hope.

    If the filter is adequate is should rarely need to be touched.
    This filter is state of the art pond filtration a la pool pump but much less expensive to run/pain in the arse to maintain. The backwashing outlets over my wall. It's a very welcome change from nappy changing/stone rinsing :/

    The sand/carbon/anthracite needs changing just once a year and they come do it for you. So far, marvelous results Water will of course eventually turn green (nature), but am keeping the water level down and cleaning up twice per day (thinking of investing in a 'Creepy Crawler automatic pump). UV costs nothing to run and is the largest they have - around 18", but will throw in a couple of sucker fish too.

    I've taken to using the pool for swimming as well. Natural chemical free ponds quickly becoming very popular, anyone interested, take a look at the many vids on Youtube Traditional pools look positively passe beside these. And I, unlike the cosa nostra, like swimming with the fishes. However, that might change when the monsoon season kicks in

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    Pool filters make for very bad pond filters.

    but if it is working for you that great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fondles View Post
    Pool filters make for very bad pond filters.

    but if it is working for you that great.
    It IS a pond filter. The pool filter's been disabled. Too expensive.

    However, another problem has risen it's ugly head in that, whilst I'm quite happy to clean the leaves/assorted debris from the pool/pond at least twice per day, my net cannot of course sweep up the quickly accumulating 'dust/dirt' on the floor. Particles far too fine. I've looked at automatic cleaners and they cost a bloody fortune! Around 20k or more for a robot! You could buy a reasonable second hand bike for that! Any other ideas? Please.

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    sounds to me like you would be better off filling it in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fondles View Post
    sounds to me like you would be better off filling it in.
    Yoo a TV refugee??

    Any constructive ideas/suggestions welcome.

    What is it with Thai centric forums? 'Idiots only?'

    Fuggetaboutit. Yawn.

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    Speaking of idiots, you lost me at using an automatic pool cleaner.

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