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    Quote Originally Posted by The 13th Duke View Post
    Of course they are.
    Profit trumps the right thing to do for most people here.
    Couple that with the education level.
    It is what it is.
    Maybe the next generation of Thais or the one after that will know enough.
    Couldn't that be said of just about everywhere?
    Profit trumps everything, everywhere.

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    Not only are Thai's poisoning the land they are poisoning themselves, cos every year many die as a direct results of spraying crops with pesticides such as Paraquat without wearing a mask and protective clothing .

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    Here is the lowdown on Paraquat which is widely used here in Thailand and can be purchased in any Agricultural supplies shop the length and breadth of the C

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    Quote Originally Posted by piwanoi View Post
    Here is the lowdown on Paraquat which is widely used here in Thailand and can be purchased in any Agricultural supplies shop the length and breadth of the C
    Country , the fatalitys of using this devils brew is plain to see in the link https://www.bernedeclaration.ch/file...1_mb_print.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by piwanoi View Post

    there is nothing wrong whatsoever with chemical fertilizer ,its the amount used that is the problem ,one can drink a glass of whiskey with no harm done ,try dropping a litre bottle straight off and theres a good chance you could finish up dead .
    Nonesense.

    Fertilizers contain fluorides.

    It's been known since the 1800s when phosphate and super-phosphate fertilizers were first mass produced that fluorides were unstably bound with the resulting fertilizer and on release quickly poisoned the process plant's and farmers in its production and use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
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    there is nothing wrong whatsoever with chemical fertilizer ,its the amount used that is the problem ,one can drink a glass of whiskey with no harm done ,try dropping a litre bottle straight off and theres a good chance you could finish up dead .
    Nonesense.

    Fertilizers contain fluorides.

    It's been known since the 1800s when phosphate and super-phosphate fertilizers were first mass produced that fluorides were unstably bound with the resulting fertilizer and on release quickly poisoned the process plant's and farmers in its production and use.
    Maybe they should cease using them in the West Eh ,were a kilo of potatoes would cost 2 quid and a loaf of bread a fiver, unfortunatly with the ever growing World population Organic farming can no longer feed us ,as in anything moderation is the secret .

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    It's cheaper to grow spuds than rice. Rice takes 5 times as much water and as much superphosphate to grow, as spuds need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    It's cheaper to grow spuds than rice. Rice takes 5 times as much water and as much superphosphate to grow, than spuds need.
    Just in case you had not comprehended my post I was writing about the West and its ever increasing mouths to feed where the use of chemical fertilizers is a must ,but then again most westerners if not all can read and understand the simple instructions on the bag as to its use ,so unlike many elderly Farmers here in Issan who cannot even spell their own name with often disastrous results .

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    Sorry to differ, but population growth, thus more mouths to feed is a greater problem in developing countries rather than Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Sorry to differ, but population growth, thus more mouths to feed is a greater problem in developing countries rather than Europe.
    I wonder how long it will take Thailand to "develop" ?

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    A while yet.

    Some moves are being made towards organic food production, but still slow.

    Rice farmers are starting to grow rice without added fertilizers other than composted rice straw and husks along with buffalo and pig shit etc.

    Vege production here relies heavily on fluoride based pesticides and inorganic fertilizers, competition with Chinese mass production (again chemical loaded) drives local organically produced crops off the market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by piwanoi View Post
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    there is nothing wrong whatsoever with chemical fertilizer ,its the amount used that is the problem ,one can drink a glass of whiskey with no harm done ,try dropping a litre bottle straight off and theres a good chance you could finish up dead .
    Nonesense.

    Fertilizers contain fluorides.

    It's been known since the 1800s when phosphate and super-phosphate fertilizers were first mass produced that fluorides were unstably bound with the resulting fertilizer and on release quickly poisoned the process plant's and farmers in its production and use.
    Maybe they should cease using them in the West Eh ,were a kilo of potatoes would cost 2 quid and a loaf of bread a fiver, unfortunatly with the ever growing World population Organic farming can no longer feed us ,as in anything moderation is the secret .
    It's the quality of food stuffs, not the quantity.
    You've seem to be missing much within your blind extreme fervor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by piwanoi View Post
    Here is the lowdown on Paraquat which is widely used here in Thailand and can be purchased in any Agricultural supplies shop the length and breadth of the C
    This is used to kill grass everywhere which grows very fast on the land, we use it sadly on our land .
    I do try to limit it by useing the bush waker but the wife likes to kill the grass.

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    Paraquat killed my dog, not nice.

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    Looks like lime has been added to me; in order to reduce the mineral and oxygen content as well as prevent algae, fish and other living organisms. This pond is being used to provide drinking water rather than cultivating fish, hence the colour difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy
    This pond is being used to provide drinking water rather than cultivating fish, hence the colour difference.
    The pictures I published were taken well away from anybodies property. No way was the water being used for drinking. The ones I've come across are located in the cassava fields and appear to be used for drip feed irrigation in the lower levels of the land ie surrounding the rice fields.

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    Sounds increasingly like nitrates (blue, possibly copper nitrate residue), calcium (opalescent opacity) and the yellowish/red local soil (feldspar, possibly) in the water.

    Just my opinion.
    Last edited by ENT; 04-01-2015 at 03:20 PM.

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    It maybe due to the Cassava ? Cytotoxic waste water, cyanide ?
    I'm no farmer or chemist but i have seen this in Africa

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    Copper nitrate fertilizer and calcium nitrate can be used in cassava production, maybe that's what's producing that colour.

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    Since there seems to be such an eclectic range of expertise on the pond could it be possible for our intrepid cyclist to grab a sample for testing or would that start another possibly more interesting thread on the vagaries corruption and idiosyncrasies of Thai chemical analysis. Entertaining if not informative post though.
    �� Water looks quite pretty really

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iaminsiam
    Water looks quite pretty really
    What's your definition of water? I live someways out in the sticks and I doubt I could find a lab that could test it. What I thought it may well be is that the farmer pours his fertilizer, weedkiller, insecticide, whatever, directly into his water source then pumps it onto his crops via a drip irrigation system. I now reject this theory being as the idiot would not know his mixing ratio to the capacity of the water in the pond.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thaimeme View Post
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    there is nothing wrong whatsoever with chemical fertilizer ,its the amount used that is the problem ,one can drink a glass of whiskey with no harm done ,try dropping a litre bottle straight off and theres a good chance you could finish up dead .
    Nonesense.

    Fertilizers contain fluorides.

    It's been known since the 1800s when phosphate and super-phosphate fertilizers were first mass produced that fluorides were unstably bound with the resulting fertilizer and on release quickly poisoned the process plant's and farmers in its production and use.
    Maybe they should cease using them in the West Eh ,were a kilo of potatoes would cost 2 quid and a loaf of bread a fiver, unfortunatly with the ever growing World population Organic farming can no longer feed us ,as in anything moderation is the secret .
    It's the quality of food stuffs, not the quantity.
    You've seem to be missing much within your blind extreme fervor.
    The simple fact is I have truly lost count as to just how many members
    have told you to "fuck off Jeff" because of your extremist nonsensical views ,BTW how's the PM's coming along to your thread that Thailand should have a revolution? ,after all Russia under Lenin ,China under Mao and Cambodia under Pol Pot went from strength to strength did'nt they ,your stupid idea that to make the poor rich that first and foremost we have to make the rich poor , what a fucking dreamer

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    Had to have a giggle at some comments here concerning OTOP and other certified foods as if they were some unimpeachable endorsement as to quality.

    Have you forgotten the leaf vegetables and herbs from Thailand banned in the EU during 2013 when they were found to contain traces of chemicals found in prohibited fertilisers and insecticides? Also, did you overlook last year's admission in the press that the Thai HAACP certificated produce was subsequently found to contain traces of the same chemicals.

    Essentially, anything and everything in this country is suspect. You can suspend disbelief or just ignore the phenomenon but the facts remain, Thailand has no functioning rule of law or any administration which could be regarded as beyond reproach.

    If you want to hedge your bets, best to eat stuff grown through hydroponics and rely on imported produce, either fresh from Australia/NZ or frozen from there and the EU. Tinned vegetables from the West are also more comforting albeit less nutritious.

    Thai lie pretty much about everything so why do folk here think food production is going to be any different?

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    ^ True. Some organic suppliers around, but pricey.

    Grow/gather yer own, anything, sprouts ,mushrooms, lettuce, shallots, wild garlic, morning glory, fern fiddles, water cress, sea weed, wild berries, fruits etc, 100 metres away (at least) from exhaust pollution.

    I keep three containers of sprouts going, wheat, alfalfa and mung beans. Add to those some lettuce and carrots, a quarter avocado, a spoonful of fetta, a small baked fish, a tomato, two cloves of garlic and a small onion, dribbled olive oil and brewers yeast with chili....a piece of sour black rye bread...a glass of home brewed stout ale.....a.aaaahhh.

    About 800 calories, including 30% of my daily protein requirements.

    Organic.

    Largely raw and unprocessed.

    So packed with vitamins and enzymes, too.

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    I can't but help laughing at my missus when she prepares vegitables/fruit etc. She won't drink the water from the tap but prepares and cleans(?) food under the tap in the belief she's washing off any chemicals. Waste of time telling her it's the chemicals within that will cause the problems.

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