Thread: Sealant For Fish Pond

if the tank/pond is in the ground, then any leak would not be visible

If the leak is fast, some squirts of food dye around the inside of the tank may show him were water is being drawn into the leak.
If its slow, it wouldn't help.
If its above ground, then the are of the leak would be visible anyway.

TOA have a two part epoxy paint called Epogard W that is made for drinking water tanks, steel and concrete. This product is food safe so it will not harm fish.

I have used it on my leaking tiled pond and it has worked well. The down side is it's not clear but light blue in colour. Here is what I have on it.

Product. Epoxy paint for water tanks TOA Epoguard W.
Detail.
E card by W. primer and topcoat of epoxy 2 part film has been certified to AWWA C 210 and TIS 0.1048 to 2539. Apply to safe drinking water in the pipe and all the steel and concrete.

Additional resources.
TOA (TOA Paint (Thailand) Co., Ltd.).
TAG.
Epoxy paint for water tanks TOA Epoguard W, color epoxy. For water tanks, TOA, Epoguard W.

Originally Posted by BKKBILL

TOA have a two part epoxy paint called Epogard W that is made for drinking water tanks, steel and concrete. This product is food safe so it will not harm fish.

I have used it on my leaking tiled pond and it has worked well. The down side is it's not clear but light blue in colour. Here is what I have on it.

Product. Epoxy paint for water tanks TOA Epoguard W.
Detail.
E card by W. primer and topcoat of epoxy 2 part film has been certified to AWWA C 210 and TIS 0.1048 to 2539. Apply to safe drinking water in the pipe and all the steel and concrete.

Additional resources.
TOA (TOA Paint (Thailand) Co., Ltd.).
TAG.
Epoxy paint for water tanks TOA Epoguard W, color epoxy. For water tanks, TOA, Epoguard W.

As the leak is almost certain to be were were the tile joints are, it would seem feasible to to paint this product on over the existing grout for good results.

Originally Posted by Ratchaburi

Originally Posted by storm1fishing

Originally Posted by Ratchaburi

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by Ratchaburi

Are you willing to put money on the 110% Fibreglass job
I think that you could talk to a swimming pool manufacture.
1 that uses Vinyl liners, it would be very quick to install your self.
Only use fibreglass if you know how & you know how to stop it from killing your fish.

There are millions of small boats made of fibreglass and they are snuff dry inside

You can use fibreglass but you need to know what you are doing as it can kill the fish.
To build a boat is easy to make a fibreglass fish pond on a mould is easy,
But to use fibreglass in side of a fish pond you have to know what you are doing,
or you will kill your fish.
This is not a maybe, it will kill your fish.

Why ?

Resin is a chemical if used wrong the fish will die
You need to know was you are doing with these chemical.
Lets look at it this way what resin would you use, a list below

UNSATURATED POLYESTER RESINSPRODUCT
CODE DESCRIPTIONAPPLICATIONORTHOPHTHALATES OP1001General Purpose Laminating ResinConstruction,Automotive,Electrical,Sports, LeisureOP1004Cultured MarbleCultured Marble,Polymer ConcreteOP1010Fire retardant ResinConstruction,Automotive,ElectricalOP1012Resin Transfer MouldingAutomotive,Furniture,Sports,IndustrialOP1016Putty ResinPolyester PuttyOP1017Resin for SMC/DMCAutomotive,ElectricalOP1O27Filament WindingConstruction,Industrial,ElectricalOP1036PultrusionStructural,Industrial,construction,ElectricalTP1004Tropicalized ,Thixotropic Laminating ResinConstruction,AutomotiveTP1006Preaccelerated,Tropicalized, Thixotropic Laminating ResinConstruction,AutomotiveISOPHTHALATES IP1003Chemical Resistance,Lloyds approvedChemical resistant equipment,Marine,ConstructionIP1004Resin for SMC/DMCAutomotive,ElectricalIP1006PultrusionStructural,Industrial,construction,ElectricalIP1008SMC Resin.Higher viscosityAutomotive,ElectricalIP1017Fire retardant laminating ResinConstruction,Automotive,ElectricalIP1019Filament WindingConstruction,Industrial,ElectricalIP1029Chemical ResistanceChemical resistant equipment,Marine,ConstructiomTP1005Tropicalized ThixotropicChemical resistant equipment,Marine,ConstructiomGELCOATSTP1001Orthophthalic based gelcoatConstruction,Automotive,Electrical,Sports. LeisureTP1002Isophthalic based gelcoatChemical resistant equipment,Marine,TP1003ISO NPG gelcoat,Lloyds ApprovedChemical resistant equipment,Marine,SPECIALITY RESINSBP1001Bisphenol ResinCorrosion resistant linings,chemical equipmentVE1001Epoxy Resin based Vinylester ResinCorrosion resistant linings,chemical equipmentVE2001Novalac Epoxy vinylester ResinCorrosion resistant linings,chemical equipmentVE2002Novalac Epoxy vinylester Resin(High HDT)VE3001Brominated epoxy Resin based Fire Retardant Vinylester ResinCorrosion & Fire resistant linings,chemical equipmentSATURATED POLYESTER RESINSPP1018Solvent (Xylenol / Solvasso150) based polyester ResinStoving enamelPP1002Water Dispersible Polyester ResinStoving enamelFG Size PlusWater Dispersible Polyester ResinFiberglass tape lamination

Now I will chose TP 1003 as it is top of the range polyest resin.
But using the best resin still can kill your fish.
You need to add a chemical to the last coat of resin as well using the right amount of MEKP ( Catalyst ) not a small amount & not a large amount (2%)
But there is 1 more thing that you will have to do & if you don't do this then your fish will die.

Or , instead of being a smart arse , you can just buy the kit , available at any good do it yourself place , and do the fucking job. simples

http://www.fiberglasssupplies.co.uk/.../POND_KIT.html

Originally Posted by storm1fishing

Originally Posted by Ratchaburi

Originally Posted by storm1fishing

Originally Posted by Ratchaburi

Originally Posted by piwanoi

There are millions of small boats made of fibreglass and they are snuff dry inside

You can use fibreglass but you need to know what you are doing as it can kill the fish.
To build a boat is easy to make a fibreglass fish pond on a mould is easy,
But to use fibreglass in side of a fish pond you have to know what you are doing,
or you will kill your fish.
This is not a maybe, it will kill your fish.

Why ?

Resin is a chemical if used wrong the fish will die
You need to know was you are doing with these chemical.
Lets look at it this way what resin would you use, a list below

UNSATURATED POLYESTER RESINSPRODUCT
CODE DESCRIPTIONAPPLICATIONORTHOPHTHALATES OP1001General Purpose Laminating ResinConstruction,Automotive,Electrical,Sports, LeisureOP1004Cultured MarbleCultured Marble,Polymer ConcreteOP1010Fire retardant ResinConstruction,Automotive,ElectricalOP1012Resin Transfer MouldingAutomotive,Furniture,Sports,IndustrialOP1016Putty ResinPolyester PuttyOP1017Resin for SMC/DMCAutomotive,ElectricalOP1O27Filament WindingConstruction,Industrial,ElectricalOP1036PultrusionStructural,Industrial,construction,ElectricalTP1004Tropicalized ,Thixotropic Laminating ResinConstruction,AutomotiveTP1006Preaccelerated,Tropicalized, Thixotropic Laminating ResinConstruction,AutomotiveISOPHTHALATES IP1003Chemical Resistance,Lloyds approvedChemical resistant equipment,Marine,ConstructionIP1004Resin for SMC/DMCAutomotive,ElectricalIP1006PultrusionStructural,Industrial,construction,ElectricalIP1008SMC Resin.Higher viscosityAutomotive,ElectricalIP1017Fire retardant laminating ResinConstruction,Automotive,ElectricalIP1019Filament WindingConstruction,Industrial,ElectricalIP1029Chemical ResistanceChemical resistant equipment,Marine,ConstructiomTP1005Tropicalized ThixotropicChemical resistant equipment,Marine,ConstructiomGELCOATSTP1001Orthophthalic based gelcoatConstruction,Automotive,Electrical,Sports. LeisureTP1002Isophthalic based gelcoatChemical resistant equipment,Marine,TP1003ISO NPG gelcoat,Lloyds ApprovedChemical resistant equipment,Marine,SPECIALITY RESINSBP1001Bisphenol ResinCorrosion resistant linings,chemical equipmentVE1001Epoxy Resin based Vinylester ResinCorrosion resistant linings,chemical equipmentVE2001Novalac Epoxy vinylester ResinCorrosion resistant linings,chemical equipmentVE2002Novalac Epoxy vinylester Resin(High HDT)VE3001Brominated epoxy Resin based Fire Retardant Vinylester ResinCorrosion & Fire resistant linings,chemical equipmentSATURATED POLYESTER RESINSPP1018Solvent (Xylenol / Solvasso150) based polyester ResinStoving enamelPP1002Water Dispersible Polyester ResinStoving enamelFG Size PlusWater Dispersible Polyester ResinFiberglass tape lamination

Now I will chose TP 1003 as it is top of the range polyest resin.
But using the best resin still can kill your fish.
You need to add a chemical to the last coat of resin as well using the right amount of MEKP ( Catalyst ) not a small amount & not a large amount (2%)
But there is 1 more thing that you will have to do & if you don't do this then your fish will die.

Or , instead of being a smart arse , you can just buy the kit , available at any good do it yourself place , and do the fucking job. simples

Fiberglass Supplies (Leeds) Ltd POND KIT

Yeah quite correct Storm 1 ,its quite simple for him now he has the Info ,all he has to do now is get in contact with a similar Co here and get on with it eh ,and of course report back on completion.

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by storm1fishing

Originally Posted by Ratchaburi

Originally Posted by storm1fishing

Originally Posted by Ratchaburi

You can use fibreglass but you need to know what you are doing as it can kill the fish.
To build a boat is easy to make a fibreglass fish pond on a mould is easy,
But to use fibreglass in side of a fish pond you have to know what you are doing,
or you will kill your fish.
This is not a maybe, it will kill your fish.

Why ?

Resin is a chemical if used wrong the fish will die
You need to know was you are doing with these chemical.
Lets look at it this way what resin would you use, a list below

UNSATURATED POLYESTER RESINSPRODUCT
CODE DESCRIPTIONAPPLICATIONORTHOPHTHALATES OP1001General Purpose Laminating ResinConstruction,Automotive,Electrical,Sports, LeisureOP1004Cultured MarbleCultured Marble,Polymer ConcreteOP1010Fire retardant ResinConstruction,Automotive,ElectricalOP1012Resin Transfer MouldingAutomotive,Furniture,Sports,IndustrialOP1016Putty ResinPolyester PuttyOP1017Resin for SMC/DMCAutomotive,ElectricalOP1O27Filament WindingConstruction,Industrial,ElectricalOP1036PultrusionStructural,Industrial,construction,ElectricalTP1004Tropicalized ,Thixotropic Laminating ResinConstruction,AutomotiveTP1006Preaccelerated,Tropicalized, Thixotropic Laminating ResinConstruction,AutomotiveISOPHTHALATES IP1003Chemical Resistance,Lloyds approvedChemical resistant equipment,Marine,ConstructionIP1004Resin for SMC/DMCAutomotive,ElectricalIP1006PultrusionStructural,Industrial,construction,ElectricalIP1008SMC Resin.Higher viscosityAutomotive,ElectricalIP1017Fire retardant laminating ResinConstruction,Automotive,ElectricalIP1019Filament WindingConstruction,Industrial,ElectricalIP1029Chemical ResistanceChemical resistant equipment,Marine,ConstructiomTP1005Tropicalized ThixotropicChemical resistant equipment,Marine,ConstructiomGELCOATSTP1001Orthophthalic based gelcoatConstruction,Automotive,Electrical,Sports. LeisureTP1002Isophthalic based gelcoatChemical resistant equipment,Marine,TP1003ISO NPG gelcoat,Lloyds ApprovedChemical resistant equipment,Marine,SPECIALITY RESINSBP1001Bisphenol ResinCorrosion resistant linings,chemical equipmentVE1001Epoxy Resin based Vinylester ResinCorrosion resistant linings,chemical equipmentVE2001Novalac Epoxy vinylester ResinCorrosion resistant linings,chemical equipmentVE2002Novalac Epoxy vinylester Resin(High HDT)VE3001Brominated epoxy Resin based Fire Retardant Vinylester ResinCorrosion & Fire resistant linings,chemical equipmentSATURATED POLYESTER RESINSPP1018Solvent (Xylenol / Solvasso150) based polyester ResinStoving enamelPP1002Water Dispersible Polyester ResinStoving enamelFG Size PlusWater Dispersible Polyester ResinFiberglass tape lamination

Now I will chose TP 1003 as it is top of the range polyest resin.
But using the best resin still can kill your fish.
You need to add a chemical to the last coat of resin as well using the right amount of MEKP ( Catalyst ) not a small amount & not a large amount (2%)
But there is 1 more thing that you will have to do & if you don't do this then your fish will die.

Or , instead of being a smart arse , you can just buy the kit , available at any good do it yourself place , and do the fucking job. simples

Fiberglass Supplies (Leeds) Ltd POND KIT

Yeah quite correct Storm 1 ,its quite simple for him now he has the Info ,all he has to do now is get in contact with a similar Co here and get on with it eh ,and of course report back on completion.

Yours guy think that is is so easy, Why did I go post all of this information.
It so you would think about it before using fibreglass, resin & killing your fish.

Originally Posted by Ratchaburi

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by storm1fishing

Originally Posted by Ratchaburi

Originally Posted by storm1fishing

Why ?

Resin is a chemical if used wrong the fish will die
You need to know was you are doing with these chemical.
Lets look at it this way what resin would you use, a list below

UNSATURATED POLYESTER RESINSPRODUCT
CODE DESCRIPTIONAPPLICATIONORTHOPHTHALATES OP1001General Purpose Laminating ResinConstruction,Automotive,Electrical,Sports, LeisureOP1004Cultured MarbleCultured Marble,Polymer ConcreteOP1010Fire retardant ResinConstruction,Automotive,ElectricalOP1012Resin Transfer MouldingAutomotive,Furniture,Sports,IndustrialOP1016Putty ResinPolyester PuttyOP1017Resin for SMC/DMCAutomotive,ElectricalOP1O27Filament WindingConstruction,Industrial,ElectricalOP1036PultrusionStructural,Industrial,construction,ElectricalTP1004Tropicalized ,Thixotropic Laminating ResinConstruction,AutomotiveTP1006Preaccelerated,Tropicalized, Thixotropic Laminating ResinConstruction,AutomotiveISOPHTHALATES IP1003Chemical Resistance,Lloyds approvedChemical resistant equipment,Marine,ConstructionIP1004Resin for SMC/DMCAutomotive,ElectricalIP1006PultrusionStructural,Industrial,construction,ElectricalIP1008SMC Resin.Higher viscosityAutomotive,ElectricalIP1017Fire retardant laminating ResinConstruction,Automotive,ElectricalIP1019Filament WindingConstruction,Industrial,ElectricalIP1029Chemical ResistanceChemical resistant equipment,Marine,ConstructiomTP1005Tropicalized ThixotropicChemical resistant equipment,Marine,ConstructiomGELCOATSTP1001Orthophthalic based gelcoatConstruction,Automotive,Electrical,Sports. LeisureTP1002Isophthalic based gelcoatChemical resistant equipment,Marine,TP1003ISO NPG gelcoat,Lloyds ApprovedChemical resistant equipment,Marine,SPECIALITY RESINSBP1001Bisphenol ResinCorrosion resistant linings,chemical equipmentVE1001Epoxy Resin based Vinylester ResinCorrosion resistant linings,chemical equipmentVE2001Novalac Epoxy vinylester ResinCorrosion resistant linings,chemical equipmentVE2002Novalac Epoxy vinylester Resin(High HDT)VE3001Brominated epoxy Resin based Fire Retardant Vinylester ResinCorrosion & Fire resistant linings,chemical equipmentSATURATED POLYESTER RESINSPP1018Solvent (Xylenol / Solvasso150) based polyester ResinStoving enamelPP1002Water Dispersible Polyester ResinStoving enamelFG Size PlusWater Dispersible Polyester ResinFiberglass tape lamination

Now I will chose TP 1003 as it is top of the range polyest resin.
But using the best resin still can kill your fish.
You need to add a chemical to the last coat of resin as well using the right amount of MEKP ( Catalyst ) not a small amount & not a large amount (2%)
But there is 1 more thing that you will have to do & if you don't do this then your fish will die.

Or , instead of being a smart arse , you can just buy the kit , available at any good do it yourself place , and do the fucking job. simples

Fiberglass Supplies (Leeds) Ltd POND KIT

Yeah quite correct Storm 1 ,its quite simple for him now he has the Info ,all he has to do now is get in contact with a similar Co here and get on with it eh ,and of course report back on completion.

Yours guy think that is is so easy, Why did I go post all of this information.
It so you would think about it before using fibreglass, resin & killing your fish.

My Daughter back there in the UK bought a fibre glass pond liner over 12 years ago from a well known local garden centre , my Son and I dug the huge hole and fitted it in about 4 feet down , she then bought an ultra violet light filter system and left it to settle for a couple of weeks ,after that she bought some Golden Orfe fingerlings and some Small Koi carp, and I threw a small Crucian carp in that I caught in a local pond ,to the best of my knowledge she only lost 2 fish ,and on skyping her last week she said Clarence(the Crucian) along with all the others have now quadrupled in size

Piwanoi

Are you talking a pond liner or a pond. If you are talking about a pond then here is what I posted earlier.

Post 11

When you buy a fibreglass fish pond, it come of a mould the surface is hard & cured.
Yes it is OK.
Now lets look at it the other way, now you layup the walls & floor of your fish pond.
Now you need to make sure there are no pin holes or the water will pass through
the fibreglass.
Now you say give it a coat of resin & what resin are you going to uses.
Also what would you add to the resin.

Post 16
You can use fibreglass but you need to know what you are doing as it can kill the fish.
To build a boat is easy to make a fibreglass fish pond on a mould is easy,
But to use fibreglass in side of a fish pond you have to know what you are doing,
or you will kill your fish.
This is not a maybe, it will kill your fish.

Every swimmingpool in Thailand has problems with the grout, check yourself. My new bathroom also after 2 years showering. Also every waterfeature (cheap or expensive) has problems within a year, i see it happen daily.

Get the grout out and make new grout. Finish it with some chemical to make the grout waterproof. TOA has that but there are many more brands. Never use the cheapest brands, Weber is a good brand..Do not buy the chemical for waterproofing from the Beger brand!
There are also products that you mix in the grout before applying it, i don't have experience with that one because i cannot read the labels in Homepro and they always come to annoy me when i try to read them.

You can fix the existing hole with epoxy or sillicon but i guess next year the leak is on another part where the grout is also done improperly.

In Europe they use some special blue paint to put on the wall-corners in bathrooms. They make the tiles over that special paint.

Also there is a special cement-based glue for tiles that are underwater permanently, that is the most expensive one they sell in Homepro. I hope for you that they used that when the pond was build.

Originally Posted by Ratchaburi

Piwanoi

Are you talking a pond liner or a pond. If you are talking about a pond then here is what I posted earlier.

Post 11

When you buy a fibreglass fish pond, it come of a mould the surface is hard & cured.
Yes it is OK.
Now lets look at it the other way, now you layup the walls & floor of your fish pond.
Now you need to make sure there are no pin holes or the water will pass through
the fibreglass.
Now you say give it a coat of resin & what resin are you going to uses.
Also what would you add to the resin.

Post 16
You can use fibreglass but you need to know what you are doing as it can kill the fish.
To build a boat is easy to make a fibreglass fish pond on a mould is easy,
But to use fibreglass in side of a fish pond you have to know what you are doing,
or you will kill your fish.
This is not a maybe, it will kill your fish.

In truth I am writing about a fibre glass pond LINER ,But I dare say with all the info at hand kindly put forward by Members, I have no doubt he will act accordingly and proceed with caution not wanting to kill his little finny friends

> I have used Silicate of soda (isinglass) just brush it on.

I think you mean "Water Glass".

It says here:

"Isinglass is a fine gelatine made from the swim bladders of fish. used
mainly for 'fining' beer.

Water glass is used for preserving eggs and as an adhesive. This is a liquid
form of Sodium Silicate. Nothing to do with Isinglass."


............ Zim

Originally Posted by piwanoi

As the leak is almost certain to be were were the tile joints are, it would seem feasible to to paint this product on over the existing grout for good results

how big are the tiles, or don't you know?

Originally Posted by DrAndy

Originally Posted by piwanoi

As the leak is almost certain to be were were the tile joints are, it would seem feasible to to paint this product on over the existing grout for good results

how big are the tiles, or don't you know?

Ain't a clue .but as the tiles are fire glazed ,I would hardly think the leak is coming through one of them ,and as some one else said on this thread they have problem with grout here (post #35), I would think the problem lies in the joints not in the tiles ,but I suppose there is always the chance of having a cracked one going unnoticed eh

Originally Posted by GuttaPercha

> I have used Silicate of soda (isinglass) just brush it on.

I think you mean "Water Glass".

It says here:

"Isinglass is a fine gelatine made from the swim bladders of fish. used
mainly for 'fining' beer.

Water glass is used for preserving eggs and as an adhesive. This is a liquid
form of Sodium Silicate. Nothing to do with Isinglass."




............ Zim

You are correct I meant water glass, when we built multi story car parks, used it on the ramp area where we got leaks, just brushed it on, no leaks!

Originally Posted by oldgit

Originally Posted by GuttaPercha

> I have used Silicate of soda (isinglass) just brush it on.

I think you mean "Water Glass".

It says here:

"Isinglass is a fine gelatine made from the swim bladders of fish. used
mainly for 'fining' beer.

Water glass is used for preserving eggs and as an adhesive. This is a liquid
form of Sodium Silicate. Nothing to do with Isinglass."

............ Zim

You are correct I meant water glass, when we built multi story car parks, used it on the ramp area where we got leaks, just brushed it on, no leaks!

There is a product with a brand name of Bostic, they have a product called water plug, that you use on the out side of a pond to stop leaks.
I follow the water trail & crystallizes.
I have used it 30 years ago, you can stop a leak in a 25mm hole with in 2 day, bone dry.

Originally Posted by mark4music

Can anyone help? I have a tiled fish pond which is now leaking and I have to top it up every day. There are overseas companies that supply clear pond sealant but I cannot find out if such sealants are available in Chiang Mai.

Yacht varnish. I had the same problem with my swimming pool. They sell it everywhere in blue square cans with a picture of a boat on it, so no mistaking it. Cheap. You'll of course have to drain/dry your pond first, locate the leak and apply first coat thinned down and then two successive. Never had a problem since.

To everyone who kindly replied to my question, a big thank you. I have found a solution (in both senses). Firstly the concrete pond I use Crocodile Flex Pond Cement. And for the tiled pond I will use Durapond Protecta Kote from the supplier in Bangkok.
ProtectaKote
Thank you all so much!
Kind regards
Mark

Thanks for the update Mark.

Originally Posted by DrAndy

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by DrAndy

Originally Posted by piwanoi

As the leak is almost certain to be were were the tile joints are, it would seem feasible to to paint this product on over the existing grout for good results

how big are the tiles, or don't you know?

Ain't a clue .but as the tiles are fire glazed ,I would hardly think the leak is coming through one of them ,and as some one else said on this thread they have problem with grout here (post #35), I would think the problem lies in the joints not in the tiles ,but I suppose there is always the chance of having a cracked one going unnoticed eh

that was the point, you don't know what size the tiles are. The smaller they are the more grout there is and you suggestion of just painting the grout would be a nonsense

nothing to do with a tile leaking!! that was not mentioned

If you say so yes, but the OP did mention he had a leak in his tiled fish pond without mentioning grout