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    Namdocmal,

    Matt i would plant that tree in full soil before the roots go circling around in the bucket.

    You can transport scions in a plastic bag with a damp towell and keep it cool.

    Hass is not a western-Indian avocado so it needs a cooler temp then let's say in Phuket.
    last year i have 4 trees growing from seed, now i only have 1 left. i afraid it might die if i plant on the ground now. i don't know how to graft the tree.

    thanks for the advise...

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    Quote Originally Posted by poorfalang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by terry57
    How high do these things grow ???
    they will get so big that you can't see the moon no more,


    Quote Originally Posted by Eliminator
    To me, the BIG question is to how do you transport the GRAFT to you tree>?
    in your hand?

    a graft is not necessarily BIG and heavy, it will be ok for a few hours,
    Not a lot of help of what you are saying. The question is really: How long between cutting the GRAFTING branch and attaching it to your tree is the question????
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    Namdocmai

    Matt i would plant that tree in full soil before the roots go circling around in the bucket.

    You can transport scions in a plastic bag with a damp towell and keep it cool.

    Hass is not a western-Indian avocado so it needs a cooler temp then let's say in Phuket.
    last year i have 4 trees growing from seed, now i have 1 left. i'm afraid it might die if i plant on the ground now.

    how old can you graft avocado tree?.

    thanks for advise, Namdocmai

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    You can graft onto a seedling when the stem is about 1 cm diameter.

    You can keep the scion wood for grafting about 2 weeks if kept in a plastic bag with something humid lake wet toiletpaper and kept cool and dark.
    Try to graft asap after taking the scionwood.


    Well i could teach all you guys how to graft but better talk about where to buy them grafted tree's in Thailand. Search for grafting info on internet.

    I bought mine in BKK after a long search but i read many times that they are sold around the Pakchong research centre and around it along the roads.

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    My plan is to go there and buy some grafted tree's for myself to play with. I don't want to waste time with growing from seed. Also i read that the pakchong research centre sells avocado tree's but when i contact them i don't get reply.

    I have mangotree's with more then 10 variety's on 1 tree and i also want to do that with avocado-tree. That way you can harvest for a long season.

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    What i would like to know is where in Thailand did you see avocado grow and which variety? The mexican/guatamalan avocado's taste the best but can they be grown all over Thailand?

    And which variety of Western Indian avocado's (for tropical climates) are the best tasting ones and where did you grow them in Thailand?

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    Here's a two year old avocado tree I bought in Korat along the main road. Growing slowly as the soil is crap here in N.Surin. I think it looks like a chicken. I've never seen a full grown one so I don't have any idea what it should look like or any idea what it eventually will look like if it lives. The leaves have rusted out at least once but they came back.




    I wanted to post a pic here but I don't have enough post yet so this is from imgur. Not sure how long it will be up. Just thought some might be interested in seeing what another's tree looks like. At the rate this has been growing, it looks like I should have some fruit in 20 years.

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    A couple more...








    Actually it would make a good Triffid.


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    Balance,
    i should have some fruit in 20 years.
    holy cow take that long have fruit.

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    No, they should have fruit in 3-5 years but my tree is growing slow so I just said that. If you have good soil or the 'right' soil for this tree, I would think you shouldn't have a problem. My area has terrible soil and can be excessively dry, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
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    Actually it would make a good Triffid.


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    You should make a thick layer of mulch (dead plant material) around your tree's. Also add some dolomite and minerals and water it enough.

    Small avocadotree;s can also fruit, yours is almost ready but i would pick them off to let the tree grow faster.

    The mulch will get worms and insects who crawl into the soil so the goodies from the mulch can penetrate your crappy soil. Also add wood-ash , dung , fishbones etc. because they will be beneficial for your soil.

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    All true Haas avocado trees are from cuttings. Avocados from seed do not grow true to the parent phenotypes (same as apples and a lot of other fruit trees). Although your seeds may come from a "Haas" avocado, you cannot expect a "Haas" type plant or fruit. Avocado trees (from seed) must mature before bearing fruit for 7 or 8 years. The fruit will (probably) not be true to the fruit the seed was harvested from. Cuttings from mature trees grafted to root stocks can generally be expected to fruit in 3 to 5 years. The fruit of cuttings will be the same as the donor (mother) plant.

    For shade an avocado is a great, fast growing evergreen tree. if your growing fro fruit, think decade. Who knows? you may have the next great (unique) avocado cultivar on your hands. You'll need patience to discover that special one, though. I think there is (was?) a government project in Thailand. You can start at this site: Avocado Production in Thailand - Chalongchai Babpraserth and Suranant Subhadrabandhu* to begin to gather some information.
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    The bigger Tops supermarkets sell hass avocado's from the Royal Project. They are very good quality and cheaper then imported ones. I would like to grow Reed avocado but i don't know what variety i am growing now, i bought a grafted tree.

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    Avocado don't do well in my area.[/IMG][/IMG]

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    @Rubberdiesel,

    Your tree does not look so healthy. The one with more leaves looks better.

    Young avocado-tree's cannot be in full sun all day, maybe you can give them a little shade or partial sun? The stem can get sunburned if in full sun all day, in nature the young tree's grow under the canopy of the older tree's.

    Also adding a thick layer of mulch around the trunk will help the tree to get good nutrients and improve the soil.

    My avocado grows well now, i had fear for rootrot in the wet season but it seems fine.

    Do you know which variety avocado you are growing?

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    Great information, NamDocMai. Thanks!

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    Namdocmai,
    I planted 3 different kind of avocado trees, hass, reed and pinkerton. pinkerton die 4 month ago. i don't know why all the leafs are burned. it very possible you are right my avocado die because it to hot.. i will put up some shade to block sunlight.
    thanks.. matt

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    The tree we have had many of its leaves turn rust color at one point but now the leaves look great. I'd say water the trees every few days but don't drown them. Lately in the hot weather, I've been careful to water the ground but not the leaves. Not sure if that makes a difference but it seems to have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rubberdiesel View Post
    Namdocmai,
    I planted 3 different kind of avocado trees, hass, reed and pinkerton. pinkerton die 4 month ago. i don't know why all the leafs are burned. it very possible you are right my avocado die because it to hot.. i will put up some shade to block sunlight.
    thanks.. matt
    Where did you get the Reed? That is the one i m looking for although the avocados have to stay on the tree for like 16 months if i remember well.

    Avocado's are also susceptible to anthracnose, that can make the leaves brown. Good drainage is also very important. Young tree's should not be overfertilised.

    To stop sunburn you can also paint the trunk and branches with dilluted latex or put some netting around the trunk/branches that are in full sun. It is only for the first years.

    My tree is growing well now, i put it in a raised bed with good drainage. The bed is full of compost mixed with sand.

    I brought a pit of Fuerte avocado which is growing now. I m willing to graft it onto my tree soon but it would be much better to get a scion of a mature tree. The problem is i can't find avocadotree's in BKK. I want to make a cocktail avocadotree with about 5 variety's on it.

    I did the same with mangotree's who have more then 12 variety's on them now. Chokanon even fruited 3 months after being grafted and it became a normal size mango.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Retro View Post
    The tree we have had many of its leaves turn rust color at one point but now the leaves look great. I'd say water the trees every few days but don't drown them. Lately in the hot weather, I've been careful to water the ground but not the leaves. Not sure if that makes a difference but it seems to have.
    I also don't water the leaves in dry season, i m scared for anthracnose which my mangotree's also will get if being too wet all the time. I spray copper to stop that when i see that the flowers are getting damaged by it.

    I m glad i m not the only farang idiot that try's to grow avocado in LOS. Many Thai told me it is impossible to let them fruit so we will see. I have a grafted tree that might fruit after 2-5 years if all goes well. I have no idea what variety i m growing though so that will be a surprise.

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    http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?board=1.0

    If anybody needs more info about any tropical fruit then check this site! Use the search function first before posting because many subjects have their own thread allready

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    Namdocmal,
    Where did you get the Reed? That is the one i m looking for although the avocados have to stay on the tree for like 16 months if i remember well.
    i brought 3 avocado trees from states a year ago. it seem grow so slow. i have 4 more that growing from seeds. some hass and some bacon avocado. still in the 5 gallon bucket and i will plant them next year. matt.

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    Just learned this:

    Avocados are toxic to almost all animals (including cats and dogs). Humans are a rare exception. It is the only fruit to contain persin, a fatty acid, which, when eaten by animals causes vomiting, diarrhea, and other nasty symptoms. Consumption of large quantities can cause death within twelve hours. Avocados are berries (fleshy fruits coming from a single ovary). Interestingly, this broad definition of a berry means that bananas, pumpkin, tomatoes, watermelon, and coffee are also berries (you can tell that to the next person who tries to argue that tomatoes are vegetables). Curiously this also excludes strawberries as berries.

    Eighty percent of modern avocados originate from one "mother" tree which was patented by mailman Rudolph Hass from California in 1935. The tree survived until 2002 when it died of root rot. Unfortunately Hass only made $5,000 in his lifetime from his patent on the tree because his partner sold cultivars to anyone who wanted to buy them. Subsequently Hass spent the remainder of his life working for the California Mail Service.

    Avocado also has an interesting characteristic: it is the only berry with no living animal large enough to spread it through consumption and release as dung. This has led scientists to believe that it co-evolved with prehistoric megafauna that were large enough to eat the fruit whole. The megafauna went extinct but the avocado remained as an unusual monument to an unknown dinosaur."

    Avocados!

    Are freakier than you know...

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    Just going to the market and buying avocados seems a whole lot easier to me. I do like them and remember buying 5 for $1US in the San Juaquin valley.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers View Post
    Just going to the market and buying avocados seems a whole lot easier to me. I do like them and remember buying 5 for $1US in the San Juaquin valley.
    That must have been a long time ago!

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