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Old 05-03-2013, 08:27 AM   #76 (permalink)
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Big problem as I don't believe you can plant sugar cane on rice fields. That's why they usually only plant rice there. Where I live, between rice planting and harvest, they are trying other crops such as melon and squashes. Sugar cane no.
you are so wrong mate, all my cane is in rice field,
yes they can live in the wet land/ they are planted just after rice harvest the land is moist, but not soaking as you cannot get the tractor in, they shoot from the ground vary fast and before the land is dried out completely they stand by my knee height, once the rain comes back add a whole load of fertilizer or pig shit as i personally do, free from my pigs, and a bit of nitrogen that is it,
weeding i do it with my tractor, the whole of it, cutting no, i sell it to some fellas that go around during the raining season looking for cane and we do a deal,
they will burn and cut and transport, so for me all it is is planting with my tractor, fertilizing with my already owed shit, and weeding with my own tractor, have 10 new rai planted two month ago, cost 35.000 to plant and another 5 in nitrogen soon, max 40.000 expect 13.000 min per rai
it's not a lot of money as you know but they way i look at it if i can double my cash even if is just 10baht i will go for it.
RUBBER yes i have 10 rai, little to live off to be honest, but i have tapped about 60%trees last year, and this year i cant be bothered to do it, can't get anyone to do it for me, full of cobras, fox
and ghosts on eye of the Thais (not mine) mosquitoes and all kinds of insects,
thinking about sugar instead but, they are massive trees now not a bush, and i have spent a lot in fertilizer not to mention weeding trimming and god knows what more, so we will see.
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Jim thanks for the short explanation regarding TV, I thought you would be well aware that he who has the gold makes the rules, facts only get in the way of a good story.

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I am interested in how you manage to weed sugar cane with your tractor, do you just run over the can when it is higher than the clearance under the tractor? Surely you don't plant the rows so far apart that the tractor can fit in between them.
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you are so wrong mate, all my cane is in rice field,
Good for you in what works for you. For some unexplained reason it ain't how they do things around here. Obviously there's a reason but as yet I'm in the dark.
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Jim thanks for the short explanation regarding TV, I thought you would be well aware that he who has the gold makes the rules, facts only get in the way of a good story.

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I am interested in how you manage to weed sugar cane with your tractor, do you just run over the can when it is higher than the clearance under the tractor? Surely you don't plant the rows so far apart that the tractor can fit in between them.
Don't know how often TV totally deletes posts, but they are doing their members no favors.
You may like to Google the boss of Issan Lawyers and see what a nice chap he is. Jim
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Jim we all know how nice a chap the boss of 'Isaan Lawyers' is. I'm being sarcastic. Hopefully you are also?
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So with Jim's situation as an example, I think there is a little back to basics needed by those who have their fingers in that particular rice bowl. Reality says you cannot sell what you no longer have. You cannot sell the rubber if you don't tap the tree.
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Jim we all know how nice a chap the boss of 'Isaan Lawyers' is. I'm being sarcastic. Hopefully you are also?
Have you actual Googled the guy, sure most off his clients have not. he is snake oil salesman, with a sick passed.
If you check you would see he was an English teacher in Asia, would you send your kids to him.
Never mind legal advice, that you pay for, many just don't know. Jim
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What had me spitting my coffee, was checking his associates at that company "Khun Therd" Which I assume is pronounced turd
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Curiosity about TV but they wont let me PM you so could you email me on gregj69@hotmail.com.

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Yes I have. I also followed his rantings here on this forum. He was a poster on here until Dirty Dog outed him.
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Back to the rubber part, all our trees have leaves again. Little light on the green color . Anyone opened their trees already. Jim
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Big problem as I don't believe you can plant sugar cane on rice fields. That's why they usually only plant rice there. Where I live, between rice planting and harvest, they are trying other crops such as melon and squashes. Sugar cane no.
you are so wrong mate, all my cane is in rice field,
yes they can live in the wet land/ they are planted just after rice harvest the land is moist, but not soaking as you cannot get the tractor in, they shoot from the ground vary fast and before the land is dried out completely they stand by my knee height, once the rain comes back add a whole load of fertilizer or pig shit as i personally do, free from my pigs, and a bit of nitrogen that is it,
weeding i do it with my tractor, the whole of it, cutting no, i sell it to some fellas that go around during the raining season looking for cane and we do a deal,
they will burn and cut and transport, so for me all it is is planting with my tractor, fertilizing with my already owed shit, and weeding with my own tractor, have 10 new rai planted two month ago, cost 35.000 to plant and another 5 in nitrogen soon, max 40.000 expect 13.000 min per rai
it's not a lot of money as you know but they way i look at it if i can double my cash even if is just 10baht i will go for it.
RUBBER yes i have 10 rai, little to live off to be honest, but i have tapped about 60%trees last year, and this year i cant be bothered to do it, can't get anyone to do it for me, full of cobras, fox
and ghosts on eye of the Thais (not mine) mosquitoes and all kinds of insects,
thinking about sugar instead but, they are massive trees now not a bush, and i have spent a lot in fertilizer not to mention weeding trimming and god knows what more, so we will see.
Not to be a smart ass, but have you ever considered an insecticide?

As for sugar cane? I am with ya there. Long as you can burn prior to harvest. Plenty of snakes in that crap. Good money though, for Thais at B11 per kilo. At least that is what the sil told me.
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Back to the rubber part, all our trees have leaves again. Little light on the green color . Anyone opened their trees already. Jim
Yeah.. they're banging out here in Rayong.
Rented trees though, so the locals don't give a shit.
Only money matters.
On the plus side oil prices are up I think.
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Back to the rubber part, all our trees have leaves again. Little light on the green color . Anyone opened their trees already. Jim
Yeah.. they're banging out here in Rayong.
Rented trees though, so the locals don't give a shit.
Only money matters.
On the plus side oil prices are up I think.
We will wait for some good rains then fertilize, end of the month hopefully.

This latest drop in rubber prices had nothing to do with oil. Commodities buyers where or still are believing that the rubber stock pile scheme will be over in March and the Thai Government was going to dump 300,000 tons on the market.
Don't know what the other rubber countries are doing, but if they all dump together rubber prices will fall through the floor.

As Margie Thatcher said, the markets will decide. Just got to hope for the best, we can live on 70 Baht a kilo for sheet, if I can get the workers. Last season was 6 workers short for most of the year. Jim
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Back to the rubber part, all our trees have leaves again. Little light on the green color . Anyone opened their trees already. Jim
Still waiting for our Mon tapper to get back. Apparently his visit coincided with Mon National Day.
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Back to the rubber part, all our trees have leaves again. Little light on the green color . Anyone opened their trees already. Jim
Still waiting for our Mon tapper to get back. Apparently his visit coincided with Mon National Day.
Things looking up, just poached a family of tappers from the south, ex locals. Now only 4 workers short, but only one skilled tapper down, may well have food and beer for another year. Jim
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Opening our trees tonight Jim. SWMBO has asked her niece to do it. Still waiting for our guy to get back.

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38 degrees for hot air drying, same for smoking, but smoking doesn't dry the air moisture out,,oO at least my sheds don't, different design and to big. Jim
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ok hi jim . great info thread.
I myself am ready to plant some trees. I have some choices depending on the land and area I live.
now I could go safe and plant a rimm 600 (1940's) then I could jump up to the Indian 468. but I've been tempted (a little) by the 2000 series(1980's) , especially the rimm 2025 .

my land has a slight slope and I'm aware of the different (alleged) yields ( a little)
but has anyone had experience with these hybrids ? .




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ok hi jim . great info thread.
I myself am ready to plant some trees. I have some choices depending on the land and area I live.
now I could go safe and plant a rimm 600 (1940's) then I could jump up to the Indian 468. but I've been tempted (a little) by the 2000 series(1980's) , especially the rimm 2025 .

my land has a slight slope and I'm aware of the different (alleged) yields ( a little)
but has anyone had experience with these hybrids ? .




sorry to hijack ur thread.
You haven't hijacked anything, this thread is about rubber.

There are lots of rubber clones out there, think you would be pushed to find Indian clones in Thailand, look to Malaysia. They have some excellent clone trees, not only are they fast growing, produce high outputs of latex, but give high lumber returns after 15 to 20 years. They cost, but long term it's a money winner.

We have 600s and 251s, 251s much better latex producer by a factor of 3, but they fall over in wind. Horses for courses, wind, rain fall and water table have to be considered.

600 are a good basic tree, cheap and available. take little care compared to the better clones.

There is a lot more to doing rubber than buying some land and planting trees. Number one is will you be there, if not keep your money in the bank. Jim
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