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    Quote Originally Posted by superman
    if the Thais ain't growing it then there ain't no money in it. Or it can't be grown
    Bollocks Thais only grow what they know. Farmers aren't educated and the local middleman who creams off them keeps telling them to grow the same shit. I know a guy who makes stupid money here and in vietnam growing a crop that no bodys heard of and processes it into research material for labs all over the world.

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    This is how stupid farang are here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rural Surin View Post
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    Rubber is the big growth crop around here, north of Ubon. Unfortunately we're losing forest, not paddy, to make way for it- I figured it was something to do with drainage, but your post confirmed that Jim. Mil (quite the environmentalist actually) surprised me by having 5 rai of her land cleared recently to make way for rubber too, which makes for a tiny plantation, but she just looks upon it as a bit of pocket money in her later years, and some family employment. So we're in the rubber business too.
    Unfortunately, rubber farmers still aren't getting a decent value in return for their product.

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    I would be most interested if you would expand upon this please.

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    On another thread the price of rubber is priced at 75thb per kilo is that a sustainable price for a scratch start or a mature set-up?

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    hello i have land near chanthaburi (ba laem) i have about 250 rai and i want to plant rubber tree rimm 600. i'm test the soil PH 5.5. planting distance 3m x6m. can anyone tell me i using rimm 600 is the right tree?. i don't want making mistake.
    thank you friends.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by rubberdiesel View Post
    hello i have land near chanthaburi (ba laem) i have about 250 rai and i want to plant rubber tree rimm 600. i'm test the soil PH 5.5. planting distance 3m x6m. can anyone tell me i using rimm 600 is the right tree?. i don't want making mistake.
    thank you friends.....
    You must be a rich man, 250 rai of rubber. Fertilizer bill alone will be 1/2 mil Baht a year.
    RIMM 600 are your tried and tested rubber trees, not a high output, but hardy, easy to grow and cheaper then most other clones. There are many clone types, some dry season tolerant, some fast growing, some lumber producers and other shigh yield.
    Go see the local Agriculture Department, they will tell you which clones are doing well in your area.
    Again cost will play an important part, some of the high yield Malaysian clones are in the 90 Baht a tree range and you are looking at around 20,000 trees. Jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    On another thread the price of rubber is priced at 75thb per kilo is that a sustainable price for a scratch start or a mature set-up?
    Don't really understand what you mean by scratch start and mature set up.
    Since I started producing rubber price has been as high as 146 Bath a kilo and down to 36 Baht a kilo.
    Trees take 7 years about to start producing, good trees will pump out more, bad less. Jim

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    The "scratch start" is from bare earth. This will mean land purchase cost, sapling cost, maintenance and fertilizer for the "growing" years, same for "productive" years, harvest labour, production machinery cost and maintenance to name few items of the top of my hat.

    All of these will generate an average "cost of production" until replacement of trees, machinery etc. will repeat the cycle. Have you any long term figures which would indicate what the minimum sale price for the finished rubber needs to be and as you say the listed buy price over time?

    A mature set up indicates somebody purchasing an established acreage with at least the "tree growing" phase having been passed.

    Or will the "investor" go from a rich man to a poor man?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    The "scratch start" is from bare earth. This will mean land purchase cost, sapling cost, maintenance and fertilizer for the "growing" years, same for "productive" years, harvest labour, production machinery cost and maintenance to name few items of the top of my hat.

    All of these will generate an average "cost of production" until replacement of trees, machinery etc. will repeat the cycle. Have you any long term figures which would indicate what the minimum sale price for the finished rubber needs to be and as you say the listed buy price over time?

    A mature set up indicates somebody purchasing an established acreage with at least the "tree growing" phase having been passed.

    Or will the "investor" go from a rich man to a poor man?
    OhOh in today's market a rich man will go to a poor man pretty fast. The world is not stable, which makes it hard to prodict the future rubber prices. China, US and EU have problems. If 2 can sort out their troubles then rubber is a good investment, if they all crash and burn, then you have a lot of fire wood.
    Buying an up and running plantation is a very long term investment, no one sells good trees at a bargain basement price. Buying young plantations that are yet to produce leaves you open to having bad clones or trees that have not been taken care of, ergo bad rubber producers.
    Starting from bare ground is probably the best way to go, but it is a long haul and will be 7 years before you see a return.
    Land prices for good rubber land have gone through the roof in the last few years as have palm oil land. People are planting on land that is no good for rubber and they will get poor returns.
    It is a big investment think hard before you commit.
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    Thanks for your thoughts. If rubber is the way to go I certainly will contact you.

    As you say 7 years investment of cash and effort. Maybe it's something to plant for the next generation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    The "scratch start" is from bare earth. This will mean land purchase cost, sapling cost, maintenance and fertilizer for the "growing" years, same for "productive" years, harvest labour, production machinery cost and maintenance to name few items of the top of my hat.

    All of these will generate an average "cost of production" until replacement of trees, machinery etc. will repeat the cycle. Have you any long term figures which would indicate what the minimum sale price for the finished rubber needs to be and as you say the listed buy price over time?

    A mature set up indicates somebody purchasing an established acreage with at least the "tree growing" phase having been passed.

    Or will the "investor" go from a rich man to a poor man?
    OhOh in today's market a rich man will go to a poor man pretty fast. The world is not stable, which makes it hard to prodict the future rubber prices. China, US and EU have problems. If 2 can sort out their troubles then rubber is a good investment, if they all crash and burn, then you have a lot of fire wood.
    Buying an up and running plantation is a very long term investment, no one sells good trees at a bargain basement price. Buying young plantations that are yet to produce leaves you open to having bad clones or trees that have not been taken care of, ergo bad rubber producers.
    Starting from bare ground is probably the best way to go, but it is a long haul and will be 7 years before you see a return.
    Land prices for good rubber land have gone through the roof in the last few years as have palm oil land. People are planting on land that is no good for rubber and they will get poor returns.
    It is a big investment think hard before you commit.
    I have an open invitation to anyone who wants to come and look and beer. Jim[/quotelearn, we have space for people to stay a few nights. All are welcome as long as they bring]


    jim. thanks for invitation you are a good man. i bring all the beer you want as long you teaching me to rich man.. LOLL. matt

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    Come any time, we don't get many visitors out here in the jungle and with last weeks rubber price crash, looks like I will be staying home a lot more.
    We are near the Lao/Cambodia border, Emerald Triangle. Jim

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    Nice part of Thailand. btw, can see your plantation on google earth.

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    next year i will start to plant the rubber tree about 10 hectares. i'm unsure what i going with rrim 600 or rrii 105 rubber tree. this two trees are average tolerance to the drought and wind. anyone have some advise please let me know. thanks.. matt

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    Quote Originally Posted by rubberdiesel View Post
    next year i will start to plant the rubber tree about 10 hectares. i'm unsure what i going with rrim 600 or rrii 105 rubber tree. this two trees are average tolerance to the drought and wind. anyone have some advise please let me know. thanks.. matt
    Never seen or heard of any nursery producting RRim 105 trees in Thailand, they are an Indian tree. If they have them where you are I would like to know more about them.
    Here in Issan you are confined to 3 types, 600, 251 and JVP 80. 600 good all round tree, 251 a much better rubber producer, but falls over in the wind. JVP 80 or black leaf is a newer clone and is alleged to be trappable in 5 years. Not seen any full grown around here yet, but they do seem to grow fast.Jim

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    thanks for information, a nursery guy said, he can get rrii 105 for me. i spoke to him 2 months ago. when i heard from and i do some research there are no rrii 105 producting in thailand (you right). it possible he can get from cambodia?. thailand and cambodia have different rubber tree. most rubber tree cambodia planting are from vietman and french colonies left behind. what do you think...

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    Got a few pics of 'my' rubber trees sent through, not planning to start tapping till next year but they've put the cups on already!!!!!


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    Can't even remember when they were planted, 2007 i think......


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    Quote Originally Posted by rubberdiesel View Post
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    thanks for information, a nursery guy said, he can get rrii 105 for me. i spoke to him 2 months ago. when i heard from and i do some research there are no rrii 105 producting in thailand (you right). it possible he can get from cambodia?. thailand and cambodia have different rubber tree. most rubber tree cambodia planting are from vietman and french colonies left behind. what do you think...
    sorry didn't notice your post until now. Anyway don't trust trees from Lao.Cambodia or the nam. They often grow trees from seed and try and palm them off as clones. Buy from a reputable local nursery, Jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    Can't even remember when they were planted, 2007 i think......

    Nice looking trees, looks like they have cut the branchs off high, which is good. Jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister View Post
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    Can't even remember when they were planted, 2007 i think......

    Nice looking trees, looks like they have cut the branchs off high, which is good. Jim
    I've no idea what they're doing, lol. I left Thailand in December 2008 and haven't been back since, just let them get on with it, it was 36 rai of paddy fields when i aquired it back in 2002, normal story family member had borrowed money (from a bank thankfully) and couldn't pay it back and they were about to lose it, so i paid the debt off (about 250k baht) on the condition they put the land in my daughters name, basically i didn't give a toss about the land at the time, just got it in my daughters name and got the chanote so the same wouldn't happen again and they could happily carry on growing their rice.

    Think was about 2005/6 was up there talking to the sister/brother in law about how much money they make from growing rice which was basically fok all, so decided to turn it into a rubber plantation, i think including paying the bank off, digging a 3m x 4m lake, building a 10m x 10m 'hut', having electricity run out to the land/hut, buying all the trees (3500), fertiliser etc. don't even think i have dropped 800k baht total over the last 10 years, so even if it all goes pear shaped won't have lost anything and can always sell the land for many multiples what it's cost me, but looking forward to see how it all pans out over the next 12 months.

    You got any idea of roughly how much cash they should generate???
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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
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    Can't even remember when they were planted, 2007 i think......

    Nice looking trees, looks like they have cut the branchs off high, which is good. Jim
    I've no idea what they're doing, lol. I left Thailand in December 2008 and haven't been back since, just let them get on with it, it was 36 rai of paddy fields when i aquired it back in 2002, normal story family member had borrowed money (from a bank thankfully) and couldn't pay it back and they were about to lose it, so i paid the debt off (about 250k baht) on the condition they put the land in my daughters name, basically i didn't give a toss about the land at the time, just got it in my daughters name and got the chanote so the same wouldn't happen again and they could happily carry on growing their rice.

    Think was about 2005/6 was up there talking to the sister/brother in law about how much money they make from growing rice which was basically fok all, so decided to turn it into a rubber plantation, i think including paying the bank off, digging a 3m x 4m lake, building a 10m x 10m 'hut', having electricity run out to the land/hut, buying all the trees (3500), fertiliser etc. don't even think i have dropped 800k baht total over the last 10 years, so even if it all goes pear shaped won't have lost anything and can always sell the land for many multiples what it's cost me, but looking forward to see how it all pans out over the next 12 months.

    You got any idea of roughly how much cash they should generate???
    Depending on tree type and how well they were fertilized, you can look at 5 kilos of solid rubber per tree. Say that 3,000 are good trees, 15,000 kilos a year. Rubber prices are crap at the moment, world economy, but think prices should be back up to $4 US a kilo next year for ribbed smoke sheet. Take out your costs and you are not robbed blind, you should pocket somewhere between $20 and $30,000 US a year. Not a bad little earner, jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister View Post
    Depending on tree type and how well they were fertilized, you can look at 5 kilos of solid rubber per tree. Say that 3,000 are good trees, 15,000 kilos a year. Rubber prices are crap at the moment, world economy, but think prices should be back up to $4 US a kilo next year for ribbed smoke sheet. Take out your costs and you are not robbed blind, you should pocket somewhere between $20 and $30,000 US a year. Not a bad little earner, jim
    At those figures guess i better start taking a bit more interest then, apparantly there are a couple of bits of machinery/equipment that they will still need for once they start tapping, any idea what they are on about and costs???

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister View Post
    Depending on tree type and how well they were fertilized, you can look at 5 kilos of solid rubber per tree. Say that 3,000 are good trees, 15,000 kilos a year. Rubber prices are crap at the moment, world economy, but think prices should be back up to $4 US a kilo next year for ribbed smoke sheet. Take out your costs and you are not robbed blind, you should pocket somewhere between $20 and $30,000 US a year. Not a bad little earner, jim
    At those figures guess i better start taking a bit more interest then, apparantly there are a couple of bits of machinery/equipment that they will still need for once they start tapping, any idea what they are on about and costs???
    Small rollers and a kneading machine around 15,00 Baht each, Tin shed and a smoker or a hot air dryer not much.
    Take a look at my youtube channel, family run rubber factory Buntharik, that will give you an idea of what's needed. Jim

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    Jeez, just been trying to work out whether to go along with the wife's idea of planting paddy rice next year on 75 rai that she owns,
    I am not so sure now

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