The RIP Famous Person Thread

[MANICHAEAN]

In short succession; Nelson Mandela, Peter O'Toole, Ronnie Biggs. A mixed bag, if ever there was one waiting to see St Peter. Wonder who else might croak before the year's end?

[November Rain]

R.I.P Ronnie. Your troubles are over.

His troubles? Only an imbecile would care about his troubles. Harry was right. He was an old lag. He gave a shit about no-one but himself, and let's remember there was a death connected to the "Great train robbery". It wasn't the romanticised mush you see portrayed.

A mixed bag, if ever there was one waiting to see St Peter.

I don't think they'll all be taking the "up" elevator

[helge]

there was a death connected to the "Great train robbery"

Who ?

[Smug Farang Bore]

The death of the driver was attributed to the robbery.


...and yes he was just a criminal not Robin Fukin Hood.

[helge]

The death of the driver was attributed to the robbery.

Oh. Some years later ?

..and yes he was just a criminal not Robin Fukin Hood.

I know that much

I also seem to remember that they were sentenced to a hell of a lot of years in jail

Too many

[Dandyhole]

Yep. they got a right wack is a widely held view, simply because they had the audacity to swipe the establishments cash.

Needed to be tought a lesson!!, and the right judge was put up to make sure of it

Been a couple of decent documentaries about it recently, interviewing some of the original gang.
There was a suggestion made that the driver became a have a go "company hero", but don't suppose we'll ever know.

[Smug Farang Bore]

Don't disagree that they were given long sentences.



Maybe people would think twice if there were simular today.

[Dandyhole]

The 11 men sentenced all felt aggrieved at the sentences handed down, particularly Bill Boal (who died in prison) and Lennie Field, who were later found not guilty of the charges against them. The other men (aside from Wheater) resented what they considered to be the excessive length of the sentences, which were longer than those given to many murderers or armed robbers at the time. At that period, there was no parole system in place and prisoners served the full term of the sentence.

Train robbers who were sentenced later, and by different judges, received shorter terms.

Name Age Occupation Sentence

John Thomas Daly 32 antiques dealer N/A—No Case to Answer

Ronald Arthur Biggs 34 carpenter 30 years (25 years for conspiracy to rob and 30 years for armed robbery)

Douglas Gordon Goody 34 hairdresser 30 years (25 years for conspiracy to rob and 30 years for armed robbery)

Charles Frederick Wilson 31 market trader 30 years (25 years for conspiracy to rob and 30 years for armed robbery)

Thomas William Wisbey 34 bookmaker 30 years (25 years for conspiracy to rob and 30 years for armed robbery)

Robert Welch 34 club proprietor 30 years (25 years for conspiracy to rob and 30 years for armed robbery)

James Hussey 34 painter 30 years (25 years for conspiracy to rob and 30 years for armed robbery)

Roy John James 28 racing motorist and silversmith 30 years (25 years for conspiracy to rob and 30 years for armed robbery)

Roger John Cordrey 42 florist 20 years (20 years for conspiracy to rob and various receiving stolen goods charges)

Brian Arthur Field 29 solicitor's clerk 25 years (20 years for Conspiracy to rob and 5 years for obstructing justice)

Leonard Denis Field 31 merchant seaman 25 years (20 years for Conspiracy to rob and 5 years for obstructing justice)

John Denby Wheater 41solicitor 3 years

William Gerald Boal 50 engineer 24 years

[Bobcock]

Too many

Nah...the correct amount....

The sentences since have just become ridiculously light......

Criminal scum.... fuck him, glad he's dead, it wasn't anywhere soon enough.

[Rupert Wanger]

Ronnie Biggs has died,aged 84.

This leaves National Rail as the last remaining Great Train Robber,with cheese sandwiches for £4.50

[jamiejambos]

I don't think he'll be too upset at missing it, for obvious reasons.
R.I.P Ronnie. Your troubles are over.

There you go ''November piss-down '' my post was in answer to Mr lick who
posted that Ronnie would be miffed at missing a two part dramatization of the great train robbery just the same as when you die you won't be giving a shit
about missing your sunday afternoon omnibus of '' Eastender's ''.
I don't condone what the train-robber's did but fail to see the justice in getting
sentenced to 30 yrs each when a paedo rapes and murder's a small child and gets a life sentence,a laughable 15 yrs max. You're the imbecile NR.

[jamiejambos]

Ronnie Biggs has died,aged 84.

This leaves National Rail as the last remaining Great Train Robber,with cheese sandwiches for £4.50

^
Now that's the first of your jokes that has raised a small guffaw from me
Well-done.

[steve down under]

I read somewhere else today that back in the day when the great train robbery occured that the robbers could quite possibly have been sentenced to death for an act of treason against the crown ! as anything carried by the Royal mail was considered property of her Majesty until such time as it was delivered to the adressee and therefore such an undertaking was considered as an act of treason !

So he should have counted himself lucky that his neck wasnt stretched by the Hangman many yrs ago !

[MANICHAEAN]

Being drawn and quartered first like that vertically challenged Australian in "Braveheart."

[jamiejambos]

Don't disagree that they were given long sentences.



Maybe people would think twice if there were simular today.

They didn't then SFB and they don't today.

[Smug Farang Bore]

True.

[harrybarracuda]

I don't think he'll be too upset at missing it, for obvious reasons.
R.I.P Ronnie. Your troubles are over.

There you go ''November piss-down '' my post was in answer to Mr lick who
posted that Ronnie would be miffed at missing a two part dramatization of the great train robbery just the same as when you die you won't be giving a shit
about missing your sunday afternoon omnibus of '' Eastender's ''.
I don't condone what the train-robber's did but fail to see the justice in getting
sentenced to 30 yrs each when a paedo rapes and murder's a small child and gets a life sentence,a laughable 15 yrs max. You're the imbecile NR.

The former is correct sentencing, the latter not.

Just because judges have gone soft in later years doesn't mean those train robbery scum were hard done by.

Let's not forget they battered the driver with an iron bar and he never worked again before his untimely death.

[jamiejambos]

You are preaching to the wrong person mate ....I've already stated that I didn't condone what they did just comparing the crimes of stealing money to the crime of taking a life and the judicial sentencing of said crimes..
Saying R.I.P. Ronnie your troubles are over is just me stating the obvious that none of us will be giving a flying fvck when each of us kick the bucket and descend into oblivion.

[Camel Toe]

Evil Kenivel's wife left him when he become confined to a wheelchair

White girl?

[harrybarracuda]

Al Goldstein, Pioneering Pornographer, Dies at 77
By ANDY NEWMAN
Published: December 19, 2013

Al Goldstein, the scabrous publisher whose Screw magazine pushed hard-core pornography into the cultural mainstream, died early Thursday in Brooklyn. He was 77.



Al Goldstein at the offices of Screw magazine in 1981.

The cause was believed to be renal failure, said his lawyer, Charles C. DeStefano.

Mr. Goldstein did not invent the dirty magazine, but he was the first to present it to a wide audience without the slightest pretense of classiness or subtlety. Sex as depicted in Screw was seldom pretty, romantic or even particularly sexy. It was, primarily, a business, with consumers and suppliers like any other.

The manifesto in Screw’s debut issue in 1968 was succinct. “We promise never to ink out a pubic hair or chalk out an organ,” it read. “We will apologize for nothing. We will uncover the entire world of sex. We will be the Consumer Reports of sex.”

Mr. Goldstein, who lived to shock and offend and was arrested more than a dozen times on obscenity charges, stuck around long enough for social mores and technology to overtake him. By the time his company went bankrupt in 2003, he was a no longer a force in the $10-billion-a-year industry he pioneered. But for better or worse, his influence was undeniable.

“He clearly coarsened American sensibilities,” Alan M. Dershowitz, the civil liberties advocate and Mr. Goldstein’s sometime lawyer, said in 2004.

“Hefner did it with taste,” Mr. Dershowitz added, referring to Hugh Hefner, the founder and publisher of Playboy, which predated Screw by 15 years. “Goldstein’s contribution is to be utterly tasteless.”

Apart from Screw, Mr. Goldstein’s most notorious creation was Al Goldstein himself, a cartoonishly vituperative amalgam of borscht belt comic, free-range social critic and sex-obsessed loser who seemed to embody a defining moment in New York City’s cultural history: the sleaze and decay of Times Square in the 1960s and ‘70s.

A bundle of insatiable neuroses and appetites (he once weighed around 350 pounds), Mr. Goldstein used and abused the bully pulpit of his magazine and, later, his late-night public-access cable show, “Midnight Blue,” to curse his countless enemies, among them the Nixon administration, an Italian restaurant that omitted garlic from its spaghetti sauce, himself and, most troubling to his defenders, his own family.

“I’m infantile, compulsive, always acting out my fantasies,” he told Playboy in 1974. “There’s nothing I’ll inhibit myself from doing.”

[Dandyhole]

Biggs was an amateur compared to the real professional thievery and corruption prevalent with the Banking Gamblers, Boardroom spivs, and Pension larconists...

Anyway, regards the Great Train Robbery, the real mastermind, "The Ulsterman" was never apprehended.......Copper?

[MANICHAEAN]

I'd forgotton about him. Good point.

[BaitongBoy]

Being drawn and quartered first like that vertically challenged Australian in "Braveheart."

I didn't know that Willy was in Braveheart...

[FloridaBorn]

They were dead corny though, especially The Born Losers.

Not for the time..By todays standards may be but that can be said for many films and shows of the time..

[Gazza]

to death for an act of treason against the crown ! as anything carried by the Royal mail was considered property of her Majesty until such time as it was delivered to the adressee

So if I mailed some hash the Queen could be done for possession?