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    Do not go here if you're concerned about Hill people eating stuff

    Please note the warning above.

    This short thread is a bit of an extension of the "supper with neighbours" thread which involved the cooking of a bit of a snake.

    This is possibly worse.

    I think the animal concerned might be a civeat. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

    Anyway, you've been warned.

    To explain the situation, a few days ago Joy came rushing home to tell me that there was going to be a bit of a party up the road. Apparently the locals had had a bit of a windfall and wanted to celebrate. Rarely seeing the dark side of 9 in the morning I said I'd get there later.

    Now, I've lived in the bush for a while. I've also lived in remote Australia and Africa so I reckon I've seen a bit of the way life is. This one did make me wince.

    First and foremost understand that the reason for the kill was "food". Pure and simple.

    As starters, these little rats would be prepared.



    Horribly cosy and endearing, but dead.



    Then we come to the main course.

    You have been warned. This is not pleasant viewing.

    If the snake stuff was not to your liking leave now.

    If you like dogs, leave now.

    If you like bears, leave now.

    Main course;



    I warned you. I'm not too keen on this myself but it is the way is up here.

    The dead animal is going to get dumped in a barrel of boiling water.




    In it goes.




    Out it comes and is moved to some bamboo leaves



    Hair removed



    Till it looks like this. Ain't pretty.



    Then they throw it on the fire.



    And cook.



    I left at this point.

    There where, however, some nice butterflies around. Well one any way.




    End of story.

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    they didn't eat the butterfly as desert? BTW that is a civet cat which is what caused the SARRS epidemic in China a few years back so be aware if you were close by about any suspicious coughs or high fevers over the next week or so..

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrivingForce
    they didn't eat the butterfly as desert?
    Probably, no I don't think so.



    Quote Originally Posted by DrivingForce
    BTW that is a civet cat which is what caused the SARRS epidemic in China a few years back so be aware if you were close by about any suspicious coughs or high fevers over the next week or so
    No problems so far.

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    thats fucking wrong.

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    I'm not much of a hunter myself, but aren't you supposed to clean the animal first to avoid tainting the meat with various parasites and internal bodily fluids I will spare you from mentioning here...

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    Never seen a civet that big before.
    We used to have one that would come into our garden but not much bigger than a cat

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    looks a bit like a sloth of some sort?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thetyim View Post
    Never seen a civet that big before.
    We used to have one that would come into our garden but not much bigger than a cat
    well obviously like most species of animal there is more than one type.. the above seems to be an Indonesian Civet Cat..


    but definitely not a sloth..

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrivingForce
    Indonesian Civet Cat..
    That's what I thought.

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    It's called a Binturong. Similar to Civets and the Sun Bear. Another highly endangered mammal in Thailand.

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    Oh dear.

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    sad isn't it.

    so little wildlife left.

    they've eaten just about all of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon
    sad isn't it.
    Agreed, though I doubt the eating has caused the radical decrease. Hunting is a pretty difficult pastime. Even with rifles and the like it's hardly likely to wipe out a population.

    Still, guess I won't get many greens for this thread.

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    There's food just about everywhere you go in los but still this kind of stuff goes on they are an incredibly silly lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daveboy
    There's food just about everywhere you go in los but still this kind of stuff goes on they are an incredibly silly lot.
    True, but remember that this is Thai / Laos country. Ain't no rules really.

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    I doubt they watch the National Geographic channel to see which animals are endangered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jandajoy
    Ain't no rules really.
    There are they just ignore them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jandajoy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon
    sad isn't it.
    Agreed, though I doubt the eating has caused the radical decrease. Hunting is a pretty difficult pastime. Even with rifles and the like it's hardly likely to wipe out a population.

    Still, guess I won't get many greens for this thread.
    Unfortunately you're wrong there. The main reason for decrease in populations of animals all over Thailand is in fact poaching. Poaching due to human encroachment and poaching due to an increase in population. In the past the population of Thailand was at somewhat sustainable levels for hunting and gathering; at present there are just to many people taking from the land. People are not only poaching for food but also for profit; be it in the animal, fur and medicinal trades. The main consumers??? China. Most of the illegal animal and food trade ends up in the hands of the Chinese who in the past decade or so have seen a huge increase in middle class wealth. Luxury items and medicines that were once only for the elite are now seen as a status symbol for this new middle class wealth.

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    I was recently in Kaeng Krachan NP and we were retrieving some camera traps along a trail towards a mineral lick. Some poachers had come by and ripped the camera and housing right off the tree using a makeshift prybar. This was only about a ten minute walk from the parks road and about 10 km's from the main HQ's. They came to hunt anything they could eat or sell. In this area were signs from, tiger, leopard, gaur, elephant, sambar, barking deer and loads of others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jandajoy
    Still, guess I won't get many greens for this thread
    I guess there's merit in showing what's really happening so you deserve a green for that...

    think you made it pretty clear that you are not condoning it...

    I'm curious about them tossing the whole thing ungutted on the fire but you said you didn't hang around to see the result...

    inherently I'm sure people know it's wrong of course but they just keep doing it...not because they are hungry but because they can...

    one day there won't be anything left for them to kill and then they will be hungry...unfortunately it will be the next generation who suffers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mobs00
    I was recently in Kaeng Krachan NP and we were retrieving some camera traps along a trail towards a mineral lick. Some poachers had come by and ripped the camera and housing right off the tree using a makeshift prybar.
    ah...wondered what happened to the camera traps from your excellent thread...

    an update perhaps?..

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    I acknowledge and respect your point of view. I also respect what you do.

    My only point would be that this stuff, guts and all gets eaten.

    That's the way it's been for these people for centuries. I doubt it'll change over night.

    If you'd ever like to come up and meet these people you'd be more than welcome.

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    ^Don't have the pics but I heard there are Tigers on one of the traps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jandajoy View Post
    Mobs00

    I acknowledge and respect your point of view. I also respect what you do.

    My only point would be that this stuff, guts and all gets eaten.

    That's the way it's been for these people for centuries. I doubt it'll change over night.

    If you'd ever like to come up and meet these people you'd be more than welcome.
    Thanks for the invite. I also agree with you that this is the way its done and has been done for as long as anyone here can remember. I am just saying that there was never this many people around who are all taking from the same forests and the wildlife can no longer sustain its numbers. I've hunted before and am not opposed to it.

    Picture this: 30 years ago the village of 50 could take from the forest and the animals could reproduce in sufficient numbers to remain healthy. Now that same village has 250 people doing things the same way as their parents did 30 years ago. Which will not and cannot change overnight.

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    When you coming up. I can arrange stuff. Accommodation, free. Tucker = share. Transport, no worries you have legs.

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