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    Quote Originally Posted by drawp
    Anyways, what are my options here, I'm 25 and want to get this over with as soon as possible so I can continue with the rest of my life
    Do you have any assets to recover in Thailand ? If not, why don't you simply stay away from the land of scams and forget everything ?

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    I have nothing at all in Thailand, the longest I've ever been there was 3 weeks. We rented an apartment year round when we met that the wife stayed in while she hopped back and forth from here (Macau) and Thailand, but we stopped that in December.

    I really have nothing in terms of property or anything else anymore. I have a car in the US that I'm still paying on since I can't find a buyer, but thats it. All of my stuff here in Macau is being rented, or paid for by the company I work for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drawp
    Their answer on legality is, its not really legal per se, as marriage is handled on a state by state basis (which is true), however it is legally recognized. In order to make things legal, in the state I referenced (California), they would require the embassy to do a verification of the signature on the marriage license to confirm its authenticity. So there are additional things required which the website does not list.
    So she could contest the legality of the marriage in the state of California if she wanted to make an issue of it. She would have to provide evidence of the legality of the marriage obtained from the US embassy in Thailand. Do you think she would go through the trouble and expense to do this?

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    Of course not, but I was weighing my options about getting this tossed around in the US, but it seems that I can't really do anything there anyways, since I'd have to get it registered first, and then I'm sure there'd be issues with her lack of presence as well.

    A Thai friend I worked with in the states told me that her parents had to remarry in Nevada as their certificate wasn't recognized (this was quite some time ago), but it wouldn't surprise me if that was the case in a few states.

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    If it was me, I'd offer her 20K baht. If she refused, then I'd hang up the phone and make absolutely no contact with her for a couple of months. Then ring her again with an offer of 15K.

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    ^That's actually a pretty good plan. Depending, of course, on what Pappa lawyers say, once they finish counting up billable hours and actually answer DD's query.

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    still no response from Pappa and Co, certainly appreciate them looking into this.

    Anyways she seems to have backed off a bit from the demand of 500k baht (not much of a fighter it seems) and has lessened it at times. Unfortunately I can't get back to Thailand until mid to late next month to sign any papers, but in any case, other than Pappa, does anyone have a recommendation on a lawyer or translation service who can provide some quick services at the amphur to ensure I'm not getting screwed over in anything I'm signing?

    This will more than likely be in Bangkok or in Chonburi (more than likely Pattaya).

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    divorce

    dwarp want do want to involve a lawyer for,it will cost you more than the settlement,why dont you listern to most of the advice let her stew for a while no need for you to hurry things,and you ask about translater services there is loads every where couple of hundred baht.

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    oh taffy I think you just misunderstood me; I don't want a lawyer for a settlement, just need someone there to translate and ensure I'm signing the right thing, but yeah a translator would work as well.

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    I'm not sure if our sponsor answered the Dog's query but for those of you who may be waiting with baited breath, yes the US does recognise marriage solemnised and contracted in Thailand as legitimate.

    Any so-called registration at the US embassy has no bearing and, in the American vernacular, is worth diddlysquat.

    Marriage in Thailand has the same effect as if it were contracted in the US and therefore is not something to be entered into lightly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegent View Post
    I'm not sure if our sponsor answered the Dog's query but for those of you who may be waiting with baited breath, yes the US does recognise marriage solemnised and contracted in Thailand as legitimate.

    Any so-called registration at the US embassy has no bearing and, in the American vernacular, is worth diddlysquat.

    Marriage in Thailand has the same effect as if it were contracted in the US and therefore is not something to be entered into lightly.
    Not so sure you are right. If you only do an Isaan village wedding that is not documented at the amphur, how is the wife able to claim she is married to the US authorities? The village weddings I have seen are always performed by a non-licensed individual that would not hold water in an American court of law.

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    from what the ACS guy told me, it is somewhat recognized, but good luck in trying to do anything legal with it in the US without doing any sort of additional processing within your state. The only thing he said that it could really do is stop you from marrying another individual stateside if someone really pushed it, but even he said that some states still may not recognize the Thai marriage.

    As with marriages in a village, those aren't even recognized as valid even in Thailand, so of course they hold no weight in the US.

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    divorce

    drawp wait till you come back to thailand,then if you can arrange with your wife to go to the district office where you got married,have you a copy of the marriege cert.one in thai,one in english,if you come to an arrangment with your wife you will get a divorce cert.tell them you want 2copys,for yourself then go to any translater and get one done in english,i cant put it any plainer than that.

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    Custom marriages are not recognised.

    Marriages conducted by the Amphur ( what I meant by solemnised ) are recognised by the authorities in Thailand and therefore by the US.

    The OP is married and if he is not to enter into a bigamous relationship with another he must first divorce his wife.

    Period.

    Honestly, some of you guys are really a bit dense.

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    do what you tink is fair
    don't take any shit
    it is business after all.

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    No big surprise that DD's tame lawyer is as fucking useless as all the rest of his kind. Fucker is advertising his services on TD, and can't answer ONE simple question in less than two weeks. Not much of an advertisement.....except that his service sucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegent View Post
    Custom marriages are not recognised.

    Marriages conducted by the Amphur ( what I meant by solemnised ) are recognised by the authorities in Thailand and therefore by the US.

    The OP is married and if he is not to enter into a bigamous relationship with another he must first divorce his wife.

    Period.

    Honestly, some of you guys are really a bit dense.
    Not quite as dense as others............you need to be a little more specific when you use a large word like this. Solemnized can mean a wedding ceremoney with witnesses which describes every village wedding I have been at.
    • solemnizes 3rd person singular present; solemnises 3rd person singular present; solemnising present participle; solemnised past tense; solemnized past tense; solemnizing present participle; solemnized past participle; solemnised past participle
    • Duly perform (a ceremony, esp. that of marriage)
    • Mark with a formal ceremony
    Usage examples

    • "There is no statutory bar to a member of the clergy declining to solemnize civil unions in accordance with sincerely held religious beliefs," Stuart Rabner wrote in an official letter.
      Jan 11, 2007 - Stuart Rabner - Reuters
    • Spitzer said local clerks should not issue marriage licenses to gay couples, and officials like Mayor Jason West of New Paltz "should not solemnize same-sex wedding ceremonies."
      Mar 5, 2004 - Eliot Spitzer - Boston Globe (registration)
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    The marriage is indeed recognized in the US (and you don’t register the marriage at the embassy). If the OP had assets in the US obtained during the marriage and the wife was a resident in the US she could sue for divorce in that state and have the court give an “equitable” settlement, which could include alimony.

    As the OP has no such assets and is living in Macau and the wife is resident in Thailand, his only recourse is to try and get her to agree to a settlement in order for them to obtain in immediate divorce. His only other alternative is to catch her in committing adultery (or one of the other conditions) or wait the 3 years and claim they cannot cohabit.

    Read b0b’s post. He got it correct.
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    TH, you mention 3 years, is this some clause that if none of the 12 reasons as previously mentioned are fulfilled you have to wait 3 years before filing in court (basically filing for divorce due to irreconcilable differences)?

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    Oh dear, I seem to have touched a nerve.

    Mmmm, I suppose there may well be those out there who actually thought that my usage of solemnised could have embraced what passes for a village marriage ceremony but for the life of me quite why anyone should is a mystery.To consider a motley collection of drunken, addled headed chickenheads congregating in one place whilst the significant parties refrain from any exchange of vows in a ritual presided over by a master of ceremonies with no standing beyond that of a deckchair attendant before a gaggle of mumbling monks only interested in a free breakfast as anything other than not solemnised is just plain daft.

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    If you are not in a rush to get remarried then what is the rush to get divorced?

    Why not just move don't tell her where you are going and after a year file for a divorce under abandonment, once the case hits the courts she sure will be looking for less money and like you said you travel a lot already so you aren't even around.

    What happen with my brother is, she left and after a couple of years she filed for abandonment and the courts dissolved the marriage.

    It was funny because they didn't know where to send the papers that a divorce proceeding was filed but once the divorce was final they sure knew were to deliver those papers.


    IMHO, in the states or any half way decent country with a proper legal system, when you get a divorce they get a lot of cash, no matter what the reasons are the marriage has failed, don't you think she should be entitled to something to help get her back on her feet? I don't think 500k is all that much considering but 100k sure seems reasonable, after all you got married for some reason.

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    I rather think the boy wishes to extricate himself without any consequences whatsoever.

    Chap probably wears a silly baseball cap back to front and interjects the adjective, awesome, whenever he can to ensure some degree of interest in his otherwise undistinguished life.

    Quite why he can't simply read websites like everyone else is a mystery but I suppose deductive logic isn't in his vocabulary.

    Or, on the other hand, as you imply he is a mean minded little shit without any character or sense of honour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegent View Post
    Oh dear, I seem to have touched a nerve.

    Mmmm, I suppose there may well be those out there who actually thought that my usage of solemnised could have embraced what passes for a village marriage ceremony but for the life of me quite why anyone should is a mystery.To consider a motley collection of drunken, addled headed chickenheads congregating in one place whilst the significant parties refrain from any exchange of vows in a ritual presided over by a master of ceremonies with no standing beyond that of a deckchair attendant before a gaggle of mumbling monks only interested in a free breakfast as anything other than not solemnised is just plain daft.
    Thegent, you are without question a haughty tomfool.....

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    How quaint.

    I shall put that down as a compliment, nevertheless.

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