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Texpat · 13-01-2009, 02:24 PM

My wife got her own tabian baan when we finished building our house.

This morning she suggested she was going to put her four grown half-brothers on her tabian baan (to make things easier for them to vote, cheaper taxes etc etc)

I was adamant against it. Seriously adamant against it.

Am I overreacting?

As far as I understand, a tabian baan lists the residences of a domicile. They're all grown adults and should get their own.

What do you think?

dirtydog · 13-01-2009, 02:27 PM

Thais have to have a home address, tabian baan is just a house paper, my girlfriend and son are on the tabien baan of the place we rent.

Texpat · 13-01-2009, 02:40 PM

But it's not your girlfriend's. It belongs to the owner of the house. It states who lives there.

They don't live here. For fuck's sake, they should grow up and be men for once in their lives. Always snaking around looking to be clever.

I don't like it. Something doesn't sit well with me. I said "no" after a lengthy discussion. In the end she'll do what she wants, it's her tabian baan -- but I've stated my position.

jandajoy · 13-01-2009, 02:43 PM

What rights does it give them if they're on it. I have a similar predicament looming, I think.

dirtydog · 13-01-2009, 02:44 PM

^Rights to the house? None at all.

Texpat · 13-01-2009, 02:44 PM

What if my wife kicks it someday and they can prove they've lived there for X years and have cleaned and worked and toiled and bled for the upkeep and ....

I just don't like it.

chitown · 13-01-2009, 02:50 PM

I would not allow it. What have they done for you lately anyhow? If they do it, then charge them. They would squeeze some dosh out of you for the same thing for sure.

DrivingForce · 13-01-2009, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Texpat

What if my wife kicks it someday and they can prove they've lived there for X years and have cleaned and worked and toiled and bled for the upkeep and ....

I just don't like it.

Don't blame you Tex be afraid be very afraid.. smells fishy to me, what about a crime committed for example hit and run who knows? I can envision scenarios not worth the risk at all IMO

Rural Surin · 13-01-2009, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Texpat

What if my wife kicks it someday and they can prove they've lived there for X years and have cleaned and worked and toiled and bled for the upkeep and ....

I just don't like it.

If this scenario ever did develope...I would hope you have a good relationship with those involved. Precarious situation indeed. Empathies...

Thaihome · 13-01-2009, 02:50 PM

As stated, you don't have to live there to be on a tambien baan. Until my wife put herself on the tambien baan for our condo she was on her mother's upcountry one and she hasn't lived there in 20 years. Over half the population of Bangkok is on an upcountry tambien baan.
I don't see anything really wrong with your wife’s desire to put her half-brothers on hers. Do you see it has accepting some sort of responsibility for their actions? I can only think that by being on tambien baan of someone that is going to be there a long time, it would keep them from having get it changed everytime they move from one rented hovel to another.
TH

chitown · 13-01-2009, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Thaihome

Over half the population of Bangkok is on an upcountry tambien baan.

That is not reassuring in the least.

Loy Toy · 13-01-2009, 02:55 PM

I don't think you have anything to worry about Tex!

The Tabian Barn is just an official means to know where everyone is living at any given time.

The only real problem I foresee (and that is) if your brother-in-laws are into shady business you could have people arriving on your front door step trying to find them.

That would be my only concern and when considering my useless, worthless, lazy as fuck brother-in-laws!

Texpat · 13-01-2009, 02:57 PM

The main reason I'm reluctant to agree to it is because I don't know the legal ramifications of the owner of a house and those listed on the paper.

What if one of them has a car accident and kills a dozen children in a pickup?
Do I experience any exposure from lawyers looking for compensation because the twat lives in my house -- legally?

Dunno. I'm positive my wife hasn't thought through any of this either.

One of them has a wife and kid and another is getting married in April -- wonder if the whole village is invited? ... it's an evil, snowball.

nidhogg · 13-01-2009, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Texpat

One of them has a wife and kid and another is getting married in April -- wonder if the whole village is invited? ... it's an evil, snowball.

Not an expert (by any means), but there are some ramification. If they want to send the kid to a school near you, having the name on the papers makes it easier (they are supposed to school in the district where they are on house papers).

They are defiately a legal document, and every once in a while my missus has to produce her house papers, which means a trip back home to get them (up country).

I do know we are not on our landladys papers (was mentioned some times), and from what I can gather landowners don't normally (YMMV) put tenants on the house papers.

But as said, being on them defines you legal residence, and I agree with your caution.

spiff · 13-01-2009, 03:01 PM

It practically gives them the right to stay at the house.
You'd have no grounds to ask them to leave or evict them.
If it ever came to this.

That's why you should make sure your name is also on the Tabien Ban.

DrivingForce · 13-01-2009, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loy Toy

The Tabian Barn is just an official means to know where everyone is living at any given time.

therefore if they aren't and something should happen then your perjuring yourself and he's farang which already carries a different set of laws here anyway..Why take that chance?

Texpat · 13-01-2009, 03:03 PM

So if their name is on the tabian baan -- they have a RIGHT to stay there.

Hmmmm.

I get along fine with all of them. Today.

Rural Surin · 13-01-2009, 03:06 PM

I believe you need to get yourself 'official', Tex.

DrivingForce · 13-01-2009, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Texpat

So if their name is on the tabian baan -- they have a RIGHT to stay there.

Yeah I was concerned about that too, if it ever came down to a real family confrontation they have the rights with their names on the Tabien Baan over you without.. Thai or not, but especially being Thai..

nasty scenarios all around..

spiff · 13-01-2009, 03:11 PM

^^^
"Practically" - it only matters if things go tits up, of course.
But you might be well adviced to disappear voluntarily if that happens anyway.

But my advice to get your name on it stands, how often do we hear of a farang being charged with tresspassing when collecting his own house during or after marital crisis?

13-01-2009, 02:24 PM	#1 (permalink)
Texpat ฝรั่งพูดมาก Last Online: 27-10-2009 11:55 PM Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Nong Khai Posts: 12,491	Tabien Baan, what the purpose My wife got her own tabian baan when we finished building our house. This morning she suggested she was going to put her four grown half-brothers on her tabian baan (to make things easier for them to vote, cheaper taxes etc etc) I was adamant against it. Seriously adamant against it. Am I overreacting? As far as I understand, a tabian baan lists the residences of a domicile. They're all grown adults and should get their own. What do you think?

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13-01-2009, 02:27 PM	#2 (permalink)
dirtydog The Dog Last Online: Today 11:21 AM Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Pattaya Jomtien Posts: 42,400	Thais have to have a home address, tabian baan is just a house paper, my girlfriend and son are on the tabien baan of the place we rent.

13-01-2009, 02:40 PM	#3 (permalink)
Texpat ฝรั่งพูดมาก Last Online: 27-10-2009 11:55 PM Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Nong Khai Posts: 12,491	But it's not your girlfriend's. It belongs to the owner of the house. It states who lives there. They don't live here. For fuck's sake, they should grow up and be men for once in their lives. Always snaking around looking to be clever. I don't like it. Something doesn't sit well with me. I said "no" after a lengthy discussion. In the end she'll do what she wants, it's her tabian baan -- but I've stated my position.

13-01-2009, 02:43 PM	#4 (permalink)
jandajoy Thailand Travel Forum Last Online: Today 03:33 AM Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: out bush Chiang Rai way Posts: 14,224	What rights does it give them if they're on it. I have a similar predicament looming, I think.

13-01-2009, 02:44 PM	#5 (permalink)
dirtydog The Dog Last Online: Today 11:21 AM Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Pattaya Jomtien Posts: 42,400	^Rights to the house? None at all.

13-01-2009, 02:44 PM	#6 (permalink)
Texpat ฝรั่งพูดมาก Last Online: 27-10-2009 11:55 PM Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Nong Khai Posts: 12,491	What if my wife kicks it someday and they can prove they've lived there for X years and have cleaned and worked and toiled and bled for the upkeep and .... I just don't like it.

13-01-2009, 02:50 PM	#7 (permalink)
chitown City of big shoulders Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bangkok Posts: 7,639	I would not allow it. What have they done for you lately anyhow? If they do it, then charge them. They would squeeze some dosh out of you for the same thing for sure.

13-01-2009, 02:50 PM	#10 (permalink)
Thaihome Grand Palace Last Online: Today 03:24 PM Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Bangkok Thailand Posts: 45	As stated, you don't have to live there to be on a tambien baan. Until my wife put herself on the tambien baan for our condo she was on her mother's upcountry one and she hasn't lived there in 20 years. Over half the population of Bangkok is on an upcountry tambien baan. I don't see anything really wrong with your wife’s desire to put her half-brothers on hers. Do you see it has accepting some sort of responsibility for their actions? I can only think that by being on tambien baan of someone that is going to be there a long time, it would keep them from having get it changed everytime they move from one rented hovel to another. TH

13-01-2009, 02:55 PM	#12 (permalink)
Loy Toy On a walkabout Last Online: Today 04:13 PM Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,374	I don't think you have anything to worry about Tex! The Tabian Barn is just an official means to know where everyone is living at any given time. The only real problem I foresee (and that is) if your brother-in-laws are into shady business you could have people arriving on your front door step trying to find them. That would be my only concern and when considering my useless, worthless, lazy as fuck brother-in-laws!

13-01-2009, 02:57 PM	#13 (permalink)
Texpat ฝรั่งพูดมาก Last Online: 27-10-2009 11:55 PM Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Nong Khai Posts: 12,491	The main reason I'm reluctant to agree to it is because I don't know the legal ramifications of the owner of a house and those listed on the paper. What if one of them has a car accident and kills a dozen children in a pickup? Do I experience any exposure from lawyers looking for compensation because the twat lives in my house -- legally? Dunno. I'm positive my wife hasn't thought through any of this either. One of them has a wife and kid and another is getting married in April -- wonder if the whole village is invited? ... it's an evil, snowball.

13-01-2009, 03:01 PM	#15 (permalink)
spiff Impregnator Last Online: 31-07-2009 02:13 PM Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: amidst dogs and ducks Posts: 2,735	It practically gives them the right to stay at the house. You'd have no grounds to ask them to leave or evict them. If it ever came to this. That's why you should make sure your name is also on the Tabien Ban.

13-01-2009, 03:03 PM	#17 (permalink)
Texpat ฝรั่งพูดมาก Last Online: 27-10-2009 11:55 PM Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Nong Khai Posts: 12,491	So if their name is on the tabian baan -- they have a RIGHT to stay there. Hmmmm. I get along fine with all of them. Today.

13-01-2009, 03:06 PM	#18 (permalink)
Rural Surin rough around the edges Last Online: Yesterday 09:22 PM Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Portland, OR & Kwao Noi, Surin Posts: 12,843	I believe you need to get yourself 'official', Tex.

13-01-2009, 03:11 PM	#20 (permalink)
spiff Impregnator Last Online: 31-07-2009 02:13 PM Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: amidst dogs and ducks Posts: 2,735	^^^ "Practically" - it only matters if things go tits up, of course. But you might be well adviced to disappear voluntarily if that happens anyway. But my advice to get your name on it stands, how often do we hear of a farang being charged with tresspassing when collecting his own house during or after marital crisis?

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