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    Taking a child out of Thailand w/o mothers concent.

    Not my problem other than I was asked if I knew the law regarding removing a child out of Thailand without the mothers permission.
    I've looked for the answer on other forums but I can't find a definite yes or no if it's possible. It seems to be 50/50.

    The parents are not married. The father has proof of DNA and the children have farang passports, as well as Thai.

    The relationship has gone tits up. The mother wants to go back to Pattaya to get herself a new farang. The father says if she leaves the kids in the village he'll take the kids to farangland behind her back. To make sure he has kept control of the passports.

    She's worried that he can take them. He doesn't financially support her or the kids, another story, and she needs to earn money. Being a lazy bitch she ain't gonna work the cassava fields.

    I'm not a fan of either side of this fight but I've been asked the question.

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    ^ Size does matter?...Is this a new ad, as of today?...

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    Admin decided that whore ads weren't off-putting enough - members are now assumed to be small-cocked whore-fuckers. That should do wonders for the declining membership.

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    Or perhaps the admin is running some kind of A-B testing to see how much implicit abuse forum members will take before they fuck off. Interesting, though I'm not sure the sample size will be statistically significant.

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    @ op

    it's called trafficing.

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    A murder-suicide scenario would resolve all.

    Grandparents raise the children living happily ever after.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Passing Through
    Admin decided that whore ads weren't off-putting enough - members are now assumed to be small-cocked whore-fuckers
    What am i missing?

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    Are they his children but he doesn't support them? Why would he threaten to take them? If he isn't supporting them, does he love them or just using them as leverage.

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    Yes they're his biological kids.
    At this moment in time he doesn't support them.
    I can't answer the last 2 questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Passing Through
    Admin decided that whore ads weren't off-putting enough - members are now assumed to be small-cocked whore-fuckers
    What am i missing?
    Ads for cock enlargement. It's the latest in the teakdoor development plan. I think there may be a special offer on at the moment - get some old cooking oil injected into your dick and you can try it out in a Smoochi ladyboy's arse half price.

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    If staying in Thailand I presume they entered on Thai passport,
    If never left country it's the same ,
    Can't leave on a foreign passport!

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    The guy sounds more fuggered up than Flake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hick
    The guy sounds more fuggered up than Flake.
    My opinion is reserved.

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    Tell have him to go for it and report back. We will then have the definitive answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic
    My opinion is reserved.
    I'd steer a wide birth from those 2 , you're gonna end up burdened with bringing up those poor kids

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    In the end, the children suffer by the uncivilised and petty character displayed by both parents...

    It's not really about the children, is it?
    Last edited by thaimeme; 17-05-2017 at 08:59 PM.

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    Has anybody inquired at an Immigration office ?
    That might provide an initial clue going forward.

    [Caveat: I well understand TIT and ever-eee-ting is subject to change.]

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeeCoffee View Post
    Has anybody inquired at an Immigration office ?
    Much too sensible and dogmatic.


    PM sent (to Fluke)

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    Quote Originally Posted by thaimeme
    It's not really about the children, is it?
    It doesn't appear to be.

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    A mate got stopped taking his 8 yr old kid over one of the bridges to Laos, The one at Mukdahan I think.


    I've heard people flying out without issue, easier if they have the father's surname.

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    recently sister in law ( registered marriage to the father of her child) visited us in the uk, she was accompanied by her 14 year old son, they traveled on thai passports.

    in order for the son to be allowed to travel, firstly a letter from the headmaster of his school was required confirming that he was a pupil at that school.

    secondly, the father had to give written permission for his son to travel, this permission was witnessed and notarised at the local amphur office.
    passports, birth certificates and the blue tabien baan were required also.

    it was a long and complicated procedure, and only then could they apply for the uk visa.

    the documents were rigorously checked by immigration when they left thailand.

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    Sounds like it would be easier ^ just to get a U.K. visa pasted into the kids Thai passports to go on holiday with Dad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic
    Not my problem other than I was asked if I knew the law regarding removing a child out of Thailand without the mothers permission.
    It's illegal under Thai law. It's also subject to the Hague Convention on Child Abduction, of which Thailand is a member. That means if the child is taken to another Hague Convention country (almost all Western countries) the parent can (and usually is if a complaint is made) be arrested and the child returned to its originating country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luigi
    I've heard people flying out without issue, easier if they have the father's surname.
    My wife and son flew from BKK to join me in London. He has my surname and has Thai, and Irish passports. I had to write a letter giving my permission for my son to travel along with a certified copy of my passport ID page. This was asked for and shown at departure in BKK and on arrival at UK Border. He was also asked questions about his Dad, "What's his name", "Where was he born", and so on.

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    Dr Bobby. Geez Irish passports..I always took you for a British wanker-moron.

    Having an Irish passport would be very desirable, me thinks.

    Wasted on you I reckon...

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    I've found the answer to my questions. Thanks to all.

    Girl Returned to Mother After Thailand Abduction

    by admin on March 15, 2012

    A Syracuse, New York child has been returned to her family after being abducted by her father and taken to Thailand five years ago. Her wayward parent, furthermore, was arrested in Bangkok on International Child Abduction charges and was extradited back to the US. The case has brought to light a number of misconceptions and misunderstandings about child abduction law in Thailand.
    No, Child Abduction in Thailand is Not a Hopeless Case
    We have had inquiries as to why our information on this subject is not in agreement with that presented on the US state department website. As practicing attorneys in Thailand specializing in family law and child abduction, we disagree with the US State Department’s information. Pursuing and prosecuting child abduction cases in Thailand are entirely feasible. Multiple child abduction cases have been pursued through Thai courts of law and the children in question returned successfully to their parents.
    Fact, Fiction, and the US State Department Website
    There are certain inaccuracies on the US State Department’s Website on “International Parental Child Abduction Thailand”. On such inaccuracy can be found on the first page, in the first paragraph:
    Parental Kidnapping is not a crime in Thailand and Thai authorities will not issue a warrant or become involved should one parent take a child without the other parent’s authorization.”
    In actuality there are laws concerning child abduction and child custody laws in Thailand. Child abduction in Thailand is covered by Section 317 of the Thailand Criminal Code, which states:
    “Whoever, without any reasonable cause, takes away a child not yet over fifteen years of age from the parent, guardian, or person looking after such child, he or she shall be punished with imprisonment of three to fifteen years and fined of six thousand to thirty thousand baht.”
    A case for child abduction begins with a court filing for sole custody of the abducted child. Once sole custody is attained, if the non-custodial parent has abducted the child, the suite may become a criminal case. A Thailand lawyer can file a claim on behalf of parents to establish custody rights over the child in question. The motion in the Thai courts can force the offending parent to appear in court in Thailand, and the custodial parent may assert parental rights.
    Thailand and the Hague Convention
    The Hague Convention on the Civil Aspects of International Child Abduction provides a procedure for parents who have had their children abducted by the other parent. The Hague Treaty on Child Abduction is executed through the governments of treaty member countries, but normally requires an attorney to file the appropriate documents with the government authority responsible for the action to ensue.
    “The Hague Convention on the Civil Aspects of International Child Abduction cannot be invoked if a child is taken from the United States to Thailand, or vice versa, by one parent against the wishes of the other parent or in violation of a U.S. custody order.
    This statement gives the mistaken impression that Thailand does not recognize the Hague Convention on the Civil Aspects of International Child Abduction. This is untrue; Thailand is has formally acceded to the convention but as yet the proper procedures for acting upon the convention have not been codified into Thai law. The convention, like the topics of surrogacy and IVF, fall into the “grey area” of Thailand law. For this reason, parents are encouraged to pursue their cases in the Thailand courts in the procedure outlined above.
    Thailand Abduction – Differences by Region
    Though the Hague Convention has not yet been codified into Thai law, this does not mean that the convention is entirely valueless within the Thai legal system. On the contrary, the value of the convention depends on the region where the motion is being filed from.
    • Thailand-US Abduction Cases: As the US State Department website indicates, the convention cannot be used in to retrieve a child either abducted from Thailand and taken to the US, or vice-versa. In such cases, clients are advised to speak with Thailand attorneys about their options regarding the filing of child custody orders through each country’s respective court system. For example, the parent of a child that has been abducted from the US to Thailand should approach a Thailand lawyer about receiving full custody of the child in Thailand courts. In some circumstances, a parent in Thailand whose child has been taken to the US may be able to invoke the Hague treaty to retrieve the abducted child
    • Thailand – International Abduction Cases: In general, cases where a child has been abducted from a non-US country and taken to Thailand, the parent will have difficulties invoking the Hague convention to compel Thai authorities to act; however, the individual should check with international lawyers within his own country to learn of any specific acts or treaties that might be used instead. The individual should also immediately seek counsel with a Thailand lawyer, who can assess the possibilities for seeking sole custody of the child through Thailand courts, and pursuing the retrieval of the child through those routes. If a child has been removed from Thailand and taken abroad, a Thai national may potentially invoke the Hague convention to retrieve the child whose home is in Thailand from a non-US country (provided that the child has been taken to a country that is a signatory of the Convention)
    Child Abduction in Thailand

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