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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo
    The missus isn't impressed with an open plan lounge/kitchen; wants a separate kitchen, maybe outside. Mmm
    I was gonna mention that. Turn it into a bar instead
    You don't wan't that stench of 3000 year fish while you're watching the TV.

    As for the main bathroom. I wouldn't have a bath. I would turn it into a Wetroom.
    Who wants to lie there wallowing in their own shit ?
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    Make sure you install a few handles/ towel rails, for what Nige mentioned

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    Great and entertaining thread....
    Some good advice and some over the top generalized Thai bashing...though for the most part true..

    My satangs worth...after having two runaway builders and finally finishing or modest house after 18mths...few years back...

    ...Think and think and plan plan and plan..every waking minute during construction!!! Finish and furnish the house and live in it in your minds eye
    basic stuff..like
    ..services to/location for fridge ( what way does the door open?),cooker/dishwasher/washer/air/bedside table lamps/shower heaters/range hood venting/tv relative to doors and windows, light switches ..single pole or double pole (upstairs downstairs/double entry rooms lighting) ....ad neauseum..fricking millions of things we tend to overlook ..missed a few myself admittedly


    Our house is a fag packet design of mine which I took to a cad/design engineer and had the plans done up...then added my over spec thoughts..

    biggest disaster was cutting a lump out of our mountainside for the house site with back hoe and ...while waiting for the ever missing builder ...the whole fricking lot collapsed down the hill in a mudslide.....thank you Thai builder for your absence ...brilliant
    okay plan B ...move to better location and build on poles without disturbing grade..
    that worked till the builder ( second one) decided to do a runner as he had a tab at the local building suppliers which he could not pay..luckily he had spent my money on concrte and labour and roof framing....said he was off to buy the tiles..never saw him again...

    ..got another builder who was building a new school nearby...
    he came and said no worries ....you buy what I need and I will finish the job.

    ..added more footings/ poles to support the cantilevered veranda...added more steel to roof plus angled steel supports for roof overhang of veranda...plus a few other evolution things I wanted..generally a pretty knowledgeable guy but a few gaps in his knowledge of farangisms of building..
    I did all the electrics and plumbing myself starting at 2am till noon most days...so I was always on site..help to avoid many f ups but still had a few which got past me like lead footed kids crushing and splitting underfloor water piping in the bathroom laundry under the house...discovered as soon as I turned on the house pressure pump with nice little klong coming out under house.

    Pricing..came out at about 1.3m fully finished including appliances etc PLUS a loss of 300k to runaway builders. Cad Plans 4,000 baht

    As someone said the potentials for ulcers and and alcoholic stupors abound...
    This is my third house build ...the others were in Canada and Australia..each time I said "never again".....

    yes put in a nice relaxing fibreglass soaker tub which we have used twice in five years..go figure...

    Good luck mates...give it a go..disasters will happen but hey life would be a bit boring if everything went well all the time and we would have nothing to talk about ...maybe..lol
    Hey it's stopped raining ....gotta go do some washing and sweeping clean the windows and cut some grass and brush for an hour or two to earn my beers....

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    re the Ranger , I too am waiting to be able to order the "burnt chili" Wild Trac..lets hope the specs in Th are almost the same as Aussie Ford web site..with the exception of the price!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus
    I too am waiting to be able to order the "burnt chili" Wild Trac..lets hope the specs in Th are almost the same as Aussie Ford web site..with the exception of the price!!
    The Wildtrack appears to be a year or so away, so you'll have to make do with a nice silver...

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    Brown as in "turd," is the correct lingo for "Sheitty water.

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    My first year at university my major, (dream) was to become an Architect. Half way through the year our professor asked us all, "Who among you are rich?" No hands went up. He shook his head and said, "Well boys and girls, you're doomed to detailing window sils and door jambs for the rich boy owner." That was the ending my career in Architecture.

    I suppose hiring one would be sort of an insurance policy if one were concerned about structural integrity or materials selection, but then they are very conservative and not inclined to low cost builds. The one area of possible use of an Arch. would be in the electrical design calc.s, however you can get a E.E. grad to do this design for you.

    You are concerned with cost aren't you Betty? BTW, most Architects talk the talk, but rarely have to live with their impossible designs. Having one "oversee," the project is just asking for more disaster. Be careful about what your asking for...

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    The missus isn't impressed with an open plan lounge/kitchen; wants a separate kitchen, maybe outside. Mmm
    Kitchen outside is a good idea, will keep the place cooler. The original plan (like most of those free plans) is a heat box. Thais like to sit in the shade, but there's no real provision for that except the carport.

    Can you FIL read plans at all? A lot of 'changs' can't.

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    Thanks again for all the comments - I am taking note of each and every one of them.

    I am having another thought: fuk the lot of 'em I don't really care... So, this could mean: get a plan going with the architect that me, the missus, the FIL all agree too. Then, get the architect (who is the husband of a very good friend of mine; ultra high-so, thus may not be interested in much more than 'doing me a favour by putting the house plans together' (we will see), then, and this is the important step - I fuk off... See, I'm not too worried about the end product as long as the missus is happy, and I have somewhere to stay when and if I want to...

    I could get the plans, costings and stages worked out; give the missus an initial 200 k to get the first stage(s) done (hopefully with the FIL and architect in tune) then drip feed the cash as required.

    So, Saudi, Korea, Japan or HK???

    I really don't wanna stress meself over this, especially as it's for the missus - I could leave this stupid country any day, and never come back... But, the missus deserves a bit of security after 10 years.
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    Can the FIL read the plans, if so will he work by them and ensure the 'changs' do? Before considering architects I'd talk to him about the way he normally works. With a lot of houses here I think they have a rough idea and just make it up as they go along.

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    ^ he can read plans in Thai, but yes, I'm going to the land either this week or next to chat through how he/we envisage the house in conjunction with the actual plot itself, access to roads, water, electricity, etc - what angle the house should be at, where the sun rises/sets, etc. We'll sketch out together how we see the house coming together.

    I have a question regarding roof overhangs: how far can a roof overhang: 1m, 2m, 4m??? If we're building the kitchen mostly outside (but at the same raised level as the house then will the roof overhang cover a couple of metres (or 3, ideally) or will we need a separate roof structure, or just have 2 more pillings coming out (that's 4 metres). What are people's thoughts on the best option? & for the car port area, the same question.

    So, if we have an L-shaped bungalow with the kitchen at one end (with obviously a door going out to it from a quite small internal pantry/fridge&food type area) and the car port at the other, then what would be the best roof structure that looks nice and is reasonably priced?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus
    I too am waiting to be able to order the "burnt chili" Wild Trac..lets hope the specs in Th are almost the same as Aussie Ford web site..with the exception of the price!!
    The Wildtrack appears to be a year or so away, so you'll have to make do with a nice silver...
    lol..naaa frickin silva boooring!...Ford Aus and Trang TH told me April. 2012.....won't hold my breath..just hope the old Mazda PU holds together till then...don't think the Aussies will wait though...marketing and hype since September 2011..someones arse will be in a sling methinks...lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus
    don't think the Aussies will wait though
    They won't have to wait as long as Thailand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo
    I could leave this stupid country any day, and never come back...
    Now the truth is out. Long term plan. Build the guilt house for the ex, then cut and run? Nothing lie a guilty conscious trying to cover up the reality. Sorry it smells Bettyboo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo
    I'm also considering if I could get the architect to see the project through (come on site once a week for half a day)? It depends on costs... From reading other threads, it seems that an architect can save you money and help manage the build generally - they have the experience. But at what cost? If I could get him for 60k (plans and half a day a week over the 3-4 months) then I think it'll be worth it.
    that should be fine, around 10% of the build cost

    doen't have to be an architect, just a guy with project management experience

    once you have the plans, you can talk to anybody who is a bit experienced and see if you need any alterations before going ahead

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    ^ thank you.

    Quote Originally Posted by ltnt
    Sorry it smells Bettyboo.
    Well, I don't deny it... I've never particularly liked this place o the people, but the missus has stood by me for 10 years, so she deserves something in return. I don't know what the future brings, but I want her to have something better than now - that's my commitment.

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    BB, your question on the overhang is valid and one that I am currently asking myself. Since I have scrapped the two story idea, my thought now is to have large covered area at the back of the plot to overlook the view. I was thinking about a separate sloped room starting under the house overhang and then adding some pillars to support the patio/sala sloped roof. The hope is to have the runoff from the rains cascade past my retaining wall and then dumping onto the land below. Since I will be taking my idea to an architect/draftsman in a couple of weeks, I will let you know what his solution is.

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    BB, your question on the overhang is valid and one that I am currently asking myself. Since I have scrapped the two story idea, my thought now is to have a large covered area at the back of the plot to overlook the view. I was thinking about a separate sloped roof starting under the house overhang and then adding some pillars to support the patio/sala sloped roof. The hope is to have the runoff from the rains cascade past my retaining wall and then dumping onto the land below. Since I will be taking my idea to an architect/draftsman in a couple of weeks, I will let you know what his solution is.

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    ^ thanks Rick,

    My idea is to either have a 2m to 3m overhang at the two ends of the L, or just do one more concrete post and extend the roof or look at other cheap roofing options for outside areas.

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    Sorry for the double post. I am still getting used to the slowness of this AIS Mobile Internet 3G stick.

    BB, I plan to take a look at Blue Scope Steel's product at their factory in KK and undertand you can use more of an overhang since it is not near the weight of tiles. It also allows you to lengthen the spans between support pillars since the roof is much lighter overall. I believe you can put a 2-3 meter overhang using this type of material but many do not like the idea of a metal roof. I have not made a final decision and probably will not until after I take a look at their product.

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    ^ heat may be an issue - what you save in roofing tiles you may spend in insulation? I don't know - needs looking into...

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    This may sound like a kookie idea, but worth a shot.
    You say you have around 4 rai ready for building.
    Have you thought about selling the land (if the price is good enough) and buying something pre-built or off-plan in NN town or the surrounding areas near to where you were originally plan to build.
    Might break even if the land is valuable enough.
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    ^ It's his wife's land and is surrounded by the inbreds, sorry inlaws

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    ^ Was gonna edit my post, but thought I would leave it there hanging to see what Betty reckons.

    The pull of living near the parents is second to none. Think this is where George Lucus got his idea for "the force" in the Star Wars movies.

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    metal is cooler

    A white metal roof will stay cooler than any tile roof and any color metal roof will cool down faster than a tile roof.

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    ^ yep, you're right about the inlaws - the FIL is getting older, but will be a perfect day to day odd job man, he can help create a nice orchard/garden - and he can harvest any fruit and sell it... It's close to Bkk (only an hour from Rangsit) and has the security of the family around, so I'm quite happy to use it from time to time, and let the missus and her mum stay there most of the time...

    I'd probably be looking at more land around there rather than selling... it's cheap, but sooner or later, parts of Bkk will be moved up in this general direction and land prices will double/treble...

    What I would like to check out, for once it's done, is how far the coast is - maybe to Chantaburi or somewhere similar - maybe a bit of land by the coast would be nice in the future - perhaps a 3 hour drive away?

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