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    Ye Olde Security Chestnut...

    Plans for our build in Krabi have, sadly, been put on hold until such time as I stop gallivanting offshore. However, never let it be said we take the easy way out 'cos we've just bought a whole heap of maintenance up North.

    This place is only just over a year old and I'll post some more pics of the build in a future thread once I've got the permission of the builder/ex owner as I think they are well worth a look.

    For now, here's a shot from the back of the house taken during construction and you can see there are just a few windows. As then, there are currently no bars fitted at all. The Missus and/or family member will be around pretty much all the time but don't think I'm comfortable going off to work with just that assurance.

    Whilst I am obviously hesitant to ruin the look of the house I certainly don't want the place becoming a looters paradise - Any suggestions as to a low impact solution that won't make the place look like a fortress...?

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    A few of these would do the trick.


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    Looks just like my house

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    not sure if these would be a real option because of how many windows are on the first floor?

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    Do you have a family member(s) that can live there FREE temporarily? Perferrably someone who is home all the time.

    • older auntie
    • uncle
    • young mother in the family
    You get my idea

    That house is a far cry from the way construction sqatters live.....

    Let 'em be King for a day or two!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fresh Prince View Post
    A few of these would do the trick.


    I reckon that's the way to go, or what about geese...?

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    If you don't trust anyone, here is an option:

    A little spendy at first. You will have to de-tune the radar so you do not fry the neighbors, shoot down any innocent civil aircraft passing by and get complaints from the next Province. You will also have to wear a friendly indentifier beacon so make sure the batteries are charged before approaching

    Rest assured your house will be safe.


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    Our house in surat-thani that has been empty for sometime was last week gutted by cunning theives.
    Keep in mind there is a permanent police presence 25 meters away. and neighbours on both sides...
    All the aluminium windows and security grills were removed, a clothes dryer taken from inside , and our locked bedroom was cleaned out.
    oh and we have a 6 foot fence and locked gate.

    The police are investigating.
    number of the beast

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    Quote Originally Posted by phunphin View Post
    Our house in surat-thani that has been empty for sometime was last week gutted by cunning theives.

    The police are investigating.
    Who? It was probably them

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    I'm looking at a short term deterrent as I expect the place to be occupied for the most part. I was really only wondering if anyone had some smaller gauge window grilles that didn't resemble stockade and if so are they readily available (I'm outside Chiang Mai). I realise that they can likely be fabricated but any pointers...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by graym
    The Missus and/or family member will be around pretty much all the time but don't think I'm comfortable going off to work with just that assurance.
    If there is no big problem with thievery in the immediate area this should be enough.

    A lot depends on how isolated your house is. If neighbors and family homes are within close proximity where your place can be seen and any noise coming from the house can be heard, you should be OK without turning the house into a Fort Knox.

    Even though bars on windows and the like will discourage the casual thief, a determined one will get in.

    For your situation suggest a simple security alarm. Something like a motion sensor inside the house.
    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

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    Our attitude was that if a thief was that determined they'd get in no matter what we did. Secondly, we didn't want to live in a prison. Consequently we got some grills made up using flat steel edge ways on so it wasn't too obvious. The gaps were meant to be small enough to prevent an average size Thai from getting through and therebye, hopefully detering the oportunist.

    The grills were painted dark green and blend in quite well.

    Cheap to get made and we think they'll do the job, along with a couple of flood lights with movement detectors (600 bht ea.)

    I'll see if I can find some pics.

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    ^ JJ, are they the one's in the back of your place in your 'buying wood...' thread? That's the idea...

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    Quote Originally Posted by graym
    JJ, are they the one's in the back of your place in your 'buying wood...' thread? That's the idea...
    Yup.

    As some of our windows are a bit big, 2m x 1.5m, Mr Pot was able to use a bit of artistic licence. He produced some quite good stuff. For the smaller windows we kept it simple. As a rule of thumb we reckoned that if the boy couldn't get forced through the gaps it'd probably deter adults.

    The flat steel frame that got screwed into the the wooden frame was about 2 inches wide, and firmly attached. The grill bit was probably 1/2 an inch wide but was welded into the frame edge on, maybe 2-3 mm. Not too obtrusive.

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    It's OK with the grill's if people remember that you need to be able to get out in case of fire, have seen to many houses where people have put themselves and their kids behind bars with no way out if the fire was in the wrong place. If you already have done that it is essential you buy good fire/smoke detectors that will give you time to get out or fight a blaze.

    Secondly remember any grill is easy to remove if a car can get near or by using a simple jack, nothing beats occupants, but else a combination of noisy alarms sensor floodlights, grill's, dogs etc.

    And if you are of the type who would not like to confront robbers/burglers, make your bedroom door real difficult to break down (safe-room), buying yourself time to call for aid if there are intruders in your house.

    But as Norton say's if someone are determined, skillful enough and have an opportunity, nothing will stop them.
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    Must say that I am not in favour of the bars / window grill solution. Doesn't look great and traps you in the event of a fire or even a wildly irate wife or Gik. Much prefer the protective dog solution.

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    ^ A fair point. The safety issue is valid. In our place we've got plenty of exits that would cover any emergency evacuation. We were particularly concerned about this as most of the house is wood.

    I don't think it looks too bad and for us it's preferable to glass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by larvidchr
    Secondly remember any grill is easy to remove if a car can get near or by using a simple jack, nothing beats occupants, but else a combination of noisy alarms sensor floodlights, grill's, dogs etc.
    Fair comment. Our place will be occupied most of the time and we're planning on a couple of yard dogs as well.

    The major bonus for us is the neighbours who are great.

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    In reality other than a caretaker who lives on the grounds 24/7, there is not much one can do. Even though our upcountry place has workers during the day and is also surrounded by relatives, we still pay some non-related old ladies B500 from time to time to keep an eye out. It has worked thus far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phunphin
    Keep in mind there is a permanent police presence 25 meters away
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    The police are investigating
    sure!
    Quote Originally Posted by larvidchr
    It's OK with the grill's if people remember that you need to be able to get out in case of fire
    that and the often ugliness of bars

    we have simple bars on downstairs windows, they do not seem obtrusive as they are not windows that have any view

    we also have nosy but nice neighbours, someone living there and sometimes a dog

    and hope for the best

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carrabow
    here is an option:
    is that CIWS on the back of a walter perry class or an FFG ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carrabow View Post
    If you don't trust anyone, here is an option:

    A little spendy at first. You will have to de-tune the radar so you do not fry the neighbors, shoot down any innocent civil aircraft passing by and get complaints from the next Province. You will also have to wear a friendly indentifier beacon so make sure the batteries are charged before approaching

    Rest assured your house will be safe.


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    Thief's don't like attention. As already been said, lights and noise, simple to install and work very effective. Motion detectors, etc. Also advertise the fact they will look for an easier target.

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    Sell up and buy a condo if you don't want to experience the omnipresent cultural hallmark that is truly Thai i.e. they're a bunch of thieving bastards that would rob their own grandmother rather than do a day's work.

    Half the villagers in the wife's moo baan are related in some way and they all look out for each other. Nothwithstanding this, her folks wouldn't dream of leaving their house unattended overnight.

    It's the way it is. The Thai are compulsive tea leaves and their own people know it which is why every modern moo baan and condo up and down the breadth of the country has 24 hr security.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Carrabow
    here is an option:
    is that CIWS on the back of a walter perry class or an FFG ?
    Not sure, I am a land lubber

    But it is an awsome set of kit

    I wonder if it will work on cats & pesky family members?

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