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    Architect's Cost

    Just a quick question what are the average cost for an Architect here in Thailand.

    Set of drawings for a 3 bedroom 3 bathroom with a pool on an 800sqm plot maybe 2 storey

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    The fee is usually a percentage of the total construction cost. Another way to go is design-build where the construction cost and design cost are combined. Fees for architects can vary greatly. If you hire a qualified, English speaking architect expect to pay between 5-10%. Designers with noted reputations cost more than run of the mill designers. If you have a clear concept of what you want and can back it up with rough plans, photos, material choices etc., that will help the process immensely.

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    just for plans and getting planning permission, should be around B6-10K from a small architect

    if you want them to oversee the build, maybe pay them B500 a visit

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    ^ I guess these price might work somewhere upcountry but as soon as you are in a farang area those prices will rise at least five fold.

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    Sort of related ...

    Does anyone know a draugtsman who can make some mods to existing plans for a UK house using autocad.

    What sort of price would I need to pay for that? Maybe hourly rate?
    Guess it's 2 hours max for someone who regularly uses autocad. Probably 2 days *min* for me to install autocad and learn the basics (again) TO get it how I want.

    Does anyone have a recommendation (Bangkok or via email)?

    They are plans for PP in UK, previously passed in UK but now expired (5 yrs old) and will probably need second set plans for building regs. Anyone know someone who has experience or am I now better off finding a UK bod to do all this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy
    just for plans and getting planning permission, should be around B6-10K from a small architect
    6,000 - 10,000 baht to design a 3 bedroom, 3 bath house with a pool. Do you know such a person?

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    125 Baht per square metre of design plus 10,000 for engineering specifications.
    This should include the architect's organising the building permits where necessary.

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    I am in Phuket so expect to pay more than up country, they can do the plans plus the planing app's and the building permits,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humbert View Post
    The fee is usually a percentage of the total construction cost. Another way to go is design-build where the construction cost and design cost are combined. Fees for architects can vary greatly. If you hire a qualified, English speaking architect expect to pay between 5-10%. Designers with noted reputations cost more than run of the mill designers. If you have a clear concept of what you want and can back it up with rough plans, photos, material choices etc., that will help the process immensely.
    Thanks bye the way,
    So what you are saying on a 6 million baht house at the max would be 600k, I can supply all the designs and materials and room sizes I am experienced enough to be able to do that I wouldn't be going in there blind, not knowing what I want I guess I would be doing all his planning work for them.

    A figure we was quoted yesterday I think he is doing them in gold leaf.

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    Generally the costs are based on floor size or project costs. The figures I got from the Internet:

    • 6% of project costs
    • 450 Baht per square metre


    This figure were for a common Thai house you found everywhere.

    A "real" educated architects who designs a house especially to your needs, the site situation, your budget, surveys the whole building process etc. will be much more expensive:
    3'000 Baht/sqm and up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by escaped
    I guess these price might work somewhere upcountry but as soon as you are in a farang area those prices will rise at least five fold.
    no, unless you call Chiang Mai upcountry
    Quote Originally Posted by Humbert
    6,000 - 10,000 baht to design a 3 bedroom, 3 bath house with a pool. Do you know such a person?
    no, I designed, he did the plans; I had to pay the engineer a few thou to sign it off

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    as you can see, it all depends on many factors

    not a simple thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by FarangRed View Post
    Just a quick question what are the average cost for an Architect here in Thailand.

    Set of drawings for a 3 bedroom 3 bathroom with a pool on an 800sqm plot maybe 2 storey
    I just build a house (4bed + maid/7bath/small pool) at Samui - opposite Phuket - and I did a fairly detailled plan and drawings, and had an architect to make the construction set - including all technical calculations for steel, coloums etc. - and obtain the building permission. 50k baht + 10k for the Tassaban (socalled VIP-fee, to obtain a permission in 1-2 weeks).

    If the architect could also be my constructor, I could have all plans for free. Constructor fees on this side are normally 4-12% of the calculated (quoted) price plus 4-8% overhead, so it comes to a total of 12-16% on top of the calculated quotation. Construction prices here are typically around 15-20k pr. sq.m. depending of materials etc. - high-end luxury more, something like 40-70k pr. sq.m.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FarangRed
    A figure we was quoted yesterday I think he is doing them in gold leaf.
    Keep us posted on your progress.
    Make sure he lists everything he is including so you don't get surprised with additional fees. Engineering fees, site visits, copies, permit applications and reimbursable expenses should all be included in the fee and clearly stated as so in your agreement.

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    I just paid 3500 baht for a full set of drawings of a bungalow I designed. I gave the woman the floor plan and a list of materials and their latest prices. The drawings came back a week later.

    The builders have started so the plans must have been ok.

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    Khun Per's numbers are pretty much correct for Samui with full BOQ and Tessaban permits for a fairly large house- ~60K.

    I just arranged for some plans and permits on the island even though I won't break ground for a while as getting permission for construction (at least on Samui) is going to get more difficult in 2011.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spin View Post
    I just paid 3500 baht for a full set of drawings of a bungalow I designed. I gave the woman the floor plan and a list of materials and their latest prices. The drawings came back a week later.

    The builders have started so the plans must have been ok.
    Bear in mind that there is a big difference between a licensed architect and a draftsman. Many contractors in Thailand will commence construction with drawings done on the back of a napkin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humbert View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spin View Post
    I just paid 3500 baht for a full set of drawings of a bungalow I designed. I gave the woman the floor plan and a list of materials and their latest prices. The drawings came back a week later.

    The builders have started so the plans must have been ok.
    Bear in mind that there is a big difference between a licensed architect and a draftsman. Many contractors in Thailand will commence construction with drawings done on the back of a napkin.
    And at places like Samui and (probably) Phuket you will need a building permission. The Tassaban here is quite strict with the plans and permissions. Don't start without one, facing legal charges from the authorities are not fun.

    Different up at an Isan village - up there you can draw a rough skecth on the back of a piece of whatever, and the workers will build a bungalow or house. Nobody seems to care about asking for a permission.

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    ^your right about that and it usually cost more for a farang from what I've heard.

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    Also ask upfront how much the architect will charge in the event you want any changes made (and you probably will once the structure starts going up- seeing it on paper and seeing it in reality can be two very different things)- if your architect is also your builder, make sure he'll make any changes for free (provided they're not major to the point where he has to start a section from scratch).

    Some architects will ask a couple thousand to move a light-switch on their original plan...

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    we payed 3000bht too, to a friend of the Brothers who said He would do it for nicks! Brother being a Building Engineer [at] Phuket and House built Up Country,, 300sqmt. under roof 3 Bd x 2 Bthoom x 1 Office, Oz style single story.
    No builder, wife did the contracting and buying of materials, so we saved 30%

    sorry I cant post,

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    An architect is a designer, now I can goto Yves St Laurent and get them to design me a T Shirt for a few hundred quid, or, I could go down that T Shirt printing place, choose a T Shirt and tell them what I want printed on it for a couple of hundred baht, same with plans, you take a reasonable plan to them they will draw it to that, you want something specialy designed then your going to pay the big bucks.

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    Dirty Dog said "An architect is a designer", "you take a reasonable plan to them they will draw it to that, you want something specially designed then your going to pay the big bucks."

    Exactly right and that said any reputable engineering firm should/will have previously done plans they will reproduce or modify for less money than an original design. You are not "inventing" a new home design, you are trying to build a really nice European style home and I'll bet they have done one very similar before. They will allow you to "shop" their existing plans if they believe you are serious about buying a set of drawings. All that said, you do need a very good set of plans and a very competent contractor to build a custom European style home in LOS. Most village crews can and would build dang near any Thai style house you wanted but not the house you're planning.

    Good Luck, I'll follow this thread to see how it turns out for you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShilohJim
    I'll bet they have done one very similar before. They will allow you to "shop" their existing plans if they believe you are serious about buying a set of drawings.
    Yes they have, but these idiots will change it. The customers that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    you take a reasonable plan to them they will draw it to that, you want something specialy designed then your going to pay the big bucks.
    That's true. The fee will depend upon the scope of work.
    Hiring an architect to design a house is for a select few who want something special. If you just want a standard house there are many other ways to go about it.
    We don't like the residential business. Customers can be flaky, there is no repeat business, the fees are low. Architects who specialize in residential are a special breed.

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