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    You can try to justify the Thai way but the welding shown on the roof is not characteristic of their ability. The paint says they are finished welding. Yes they do spot welding but normally it will be 2 inch spots rather than running a continuous bead, thus saving rod and time. The overall spot weld is normally about one half of the potential weld. Maybe semi spot is better term and this is accepted and does provide enough strength. The obvious gaps are probably due to the position/height of the support bean on the support column being somewhat off. I have built 2 houses for family and 2 for friends here and the steel roof was always installed/welded by crews who only do this work for various contractors, same with the installation of tiles (C-pak) a contractor who uses the same crew is expecting more from his workers in the way of versatility than any I have observed.

    Tell the wife to watch when they wire tie the C-Pak on roof iron, they will try to tie one in four is your lucky. Now I just have them tie every tile down and put access to attic thru ceiling in convient place in the house. good luck

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    agreed with most of the above comments

    the spot welding is fine just to hold the metal together but will not be strong enough to support the weight of the tiles

    get it done properly, the tiles can weigh tons

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    Well it appears that the consultations have ended and with the arrival of more materials work has started progressing again and more pictures have come through.
    As for the welding issue the missus got her man to come and inspect the job, he marked any areas that needed (in his opinion) repairing and these were fixed. I personally can't ask anymore from her in that she doesn't know what is a good weld or not so she has sought assistance from the best person she knows well enough to trust to check for her.
    She had a meeting on site with the builder and her lawyer the other day to straigthen out a few issues regarding what the builder's obligations are in terms of building what is on the plans.
    So we should now see some progress.

    The house from the rear with roof steel completed


    Most of the pre cast floor slabs have arrived and been put into position


    The front steps taking shape


    The qcon blocks for the walls are on site (hope they tied them down)


    Close up of the qcon block



    The roof tiles have arrived


    Closer look at the finish on the top of the tile.


    to be continued...........

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    Some more photos. I don't want to post too many at one time it gets confusing.

    Showing floor pre-cast slabs. Looking from the kitchen end toward the main bedroom (top left) and bathroom, ensuite (top right)


    From the main bedroom end looking toward the ktichen end


    Tiles are starting to go on. I pointed out the cracked one to the missus and asked her to make sure they know that they must replace any that they crack.


    same same but different


    Close up of how the tiles are fixed in position. There are 2 screws like this, one in each top corner. I asked the wife to tell them to try and seal the hole around the screw or else the water can make its way down the screw to the steel and cause it to rust. I know (and she pointed it out to me) that this area is covered by the tile laid on top but...


    Don't know what you call this in technical speak, but to me its the roof trough guttering


    till the next time

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    I'm impressed with the way your lady deals with the project : she seems spot on !



    Not impressed with the screws holding the tiles either : I wouldnt want to see them slip 10 years from now after the screw has rusted away. I'd guess it'd be ok with corrosion proof screws though. Anybody got a clue where/how much etc to find them ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SunTzu
    Anybody got a clue where/how much etc to find them ?
    Should be stainless self tapping screws. Normally the tile supplier has them the proper size for the tile purchased.

    Quote Originally Posted by ootai
    I asked the wife to tell them to try and seal the hole around the screw or else the water can make its way down the screw to the steel and cause it to rust. I know (and she pointed it out to me) that this area is covered by the tile laid on top but...
    Appears you have a 30 degree slope so assuming the tiles have the correct overlap, not much if any water will get under the overlapping tile.

    Have seen several 20 year old houses using the same approach as yours with only minor repairable damage.
    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

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    Hopefully the screws last me out. She sent a photo of the screw against the side of a tile to show that it is at least twice the thickness of the tile in length and it looks as though it shouldn't rust. i haven't posted it because it was badly out of focus.

    Norton
    One of the photos in this post shows that the screw holes and screw head are well covered by the overlap and as you say the slope should ensure water runs off quickly.

    I'm not sure if I post too many pictures as most people probably think not much is happening but to me every small change means it progressing and hopefully we'll be moving in there around end of October (this year??)

    anyway here's more photos to look at.

    the roof is slowly getting covered in tiles.


    The foil insulation is going in. I wasn't sure whether this was going to happen or not so I'm pleased it is.


    I am starting to like the look of the tiles


    This shot of the corner shows that they overlap quite a bit, no problem covering the screw hole


    Looks neat and I hope its an optical illusion that they look like their not offset from each other enough.


    Looking south west at the back yard. I have been informed that as of today there are now over a 100 banana trees planted in there. Must think I'm a monkey needing that many.


    Looking north west at the rest of the back yard and the current abode. Don't know what that stack of blocks is for.


    The truck in the distance is travelling along Highway 24


    till next time....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ootai
    I hope its an optical illusion that they look like their not offset from each other enough.
    Think it's an optical delusion. All the other roof pics look OK.

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    Progress is being made. The banana's have been planted.



    The pre-cast slabs are in ready for the concrete to be poured.


    The concrete floor has been poured. I was a little concerned about the rough finish but then realised that it has been left that way because tiless are going on top later and will get abetter bond on the rougher concrete.








    Starting to look like a house


    until next time..............

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    Looking good, have you specked more insulation in the roof space when the internal roof is complete ??

    Hope you don't mind I have copied some of your photo's to show my builder some things, when the time comes.

    Great thread, good learning for those of us still to build.

    Nice one
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    Quote Originally Posted by ootai
    Starting to look like a NICE house
    There, fixed that for ya!

    Congrats and keep on with the pics!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragandbone man View Post
    Looking good, have you specked more insulation in the roof space when the internal roof is complete ??

    Hope you don't mind I have copied some of your photo's to show my builder some things, when the time comes.

    Great thread, good learning for those of us still to build.

    Nice one
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    I am not sure whether it is included in the quote but at some stage I will install insulation (batts) in the roof space above the internal ceiling. If its not included then I am sure the "boss" won't want to spend more money to put it in so I will need to convince her that we will get it back by saving on power for the A/C.
    The way I look at insulation is that the foil shields the roof space from the heat generated from the tiles. The fibre batts separate the cool air from the warm/hot roof space. I've read lots of opinions on this and other forums about this so if we don't do it straight away it will allow me to take measurements and convince myself of the science. The supposedly insulating preoperties of the QCon blocks is why we went for them as well.

    As for using photos, that's why I started this whole thread. I think I spent nearly a year lurking around this and other forums like TV and CTH reading about building in Thailand so I felt I should try and giveback as it has helped us a lot. I didn't use the photos for the builder as I'm not there but last year in October I flew the missus back her to OZ for a month and basically all we did was look at building stuff, well we argued a fair bit too but then that's to be expected.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by slackula View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ootai
    Starting to look like a NICE house
    There, fixed that for ya!

    Congrats and keep on with the pics!

    Thanks for the editing. I believe that we (farangs) might find this a nice looking house because its more of a farang stlye than the normal 2 story Thai style.

    I actually wanted the Thai style but my missus insisted on single story because she reckons it won't be long and I won't be able to climb stairs and she ain't carrying me. My comment was "Darling I'll install a mechanical lift" and her response was "well go and built your own bloody house". And because she learnt english here in Aussie from Aussies that's exactly what she said, she speaks with an Aussie accent, surprises a lot of people.

    Anyway I sometimes find myself checking the first post which has the 3D version of the design in it and I do believe it is now starting to look like the design, bloody marvellous.

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    Splendid. Thanks, mate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ootai
    The way I look at insulation is that the foil shields the roof space from the heat generated from the tiles.
    Well worth the relatively small cost to keep A/C spaces cooler. Easy to install after the house is finished. Convince the boss. She won't be that stingy with the small added cost as I see you have reflective aluminum under the roof tiles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Well worth the relatively small cost to keep A/C spaces cooler. Easy to install after the house is finished. Convince the boss. She won't be that stingy with the small added cost as I see you have reflective aluminum under the roof tiles.
    Norton
    I'm sure we will end up with it in there but it will take a bit of negotiation first. Its just that she reckons if it ain't in the plan and therefore part of the overall quote then we don't need it. In the end I'll pay for it if I have too.

    Just yesterday I asked her to check with the builder as to whether we have gutters "in the plan/quote" and it turns out we don't. When she asked the builder he (and she agrees with him) said that gutters would spoil the look of the house.
    At the start of this thread I spoke about my cheaper functional plans but she reckoned they were fugly.

    So I asked her how are we going to catch some rain water for drinking and cooking? Are we going to do what I see all the time, tie some doubled over corrugated iron from the eaves and direct it into a pot/urn. So now we will have guttering along the north side of the carport and along the back of the roof. Gives us water but maintains the "looks pretty" bit as well.

    Sometimes its a struggle, but you just have to persevere and I wouldn't miss it for quids as its so much fun sometimes seeing the light come on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ootai
    whether we have gutters "in the plan/quote" and it turns out we don't.
    A common oversight.

    Quote Originally Posted by ootai
    gutters would spoil the look of the house.
    May well do if they are the typical Thai sheet metal type. PVC gutters are more attractive and may be the answer from what I see on your house design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton
    PVC gutters are more attractive and may be the answer from what I see on your house design.
    That's what we want. They seem very difficult to source though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jandajoy
    They seem very difficult to source though.
    All over the place in Roiet. Surprised you can't find in your area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton
    All over the place in Roiet. Surprised you can't find in your area.
    One shop in Chiang Kong had a display. Success methinks.

    Nope, it's just a display we've had for years.

    Can you get me some, I need a lot?

    Nope, use steel.

    Bye..............


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    Looks like you have to get out of the jungle and go to a bigger place. When the house is done, you can get all the bits well defined so you can purchase what you need. Straight pieces, corner pieces, down pipe, elbows and the like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton
    Looks like you have to get out of the jungle and go to a bigger place. When the house is done, you can get all the bits well defined so you can purchase what you need. Straight pieces, corner pieces, down pipe, elbows and the like.
    Exactly, that's the plan. Get all the basics done and then we'll do a week in CM or somewhere to but the add ons.

    (Whoops, did I say "plan" ? More of an idea really. )

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    I don't think the gutter was overlooked (by me that is) but somewhere it got lost in among all the other stuff I was trying to tell her that she needed to get the architect/ engineer to put on the plan. I'm sure we discussed it but like when I asked her about where she wanted the powerpoints sometimes you draw a blank.

    Anyway I have read some discussion on one of the forums about guttering and I mentioned to her about using plastic ones when she told me it wasn't on the plan. I will be very keen to check out the detailed plans when I get over there in 3 weeks.

    When you say they are all over the place in Roiet is that in a particular company like Homemart or something? If it is can you let me know and I will look for it in Korat. She goes to Do-Home mostly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ootai
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    Korat sure to have a few suppliers. Here in Roiet I purchased at Global House.

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    This is going to be one big ass house! I love big homes, sure there is more upkeep and such but I like to wander around. Often I do this in our home in BKK, different rooms and different thoughts.

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