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    Thai Style House Concrete Construction Ideas ....?

    Hi, sorry that I'm buzzing all over this place at the moment, but its becoming more likely that a build will take place some time soon. I myself, a 26 Year old man with no idea about Houses, Building or the like is about to have my first crack at building one in Thailand.
    Though I've been here a while, I'm still fannying around like a woman trying to get my head round it all, so as much banter and help would be greatly appreciated!

    I suppose i should start off with a breakdown and we can get going......

    The land is a narrow and long piece in PaDaet close enough to the Ping without danger of flooding, and also to Ring road for quick access to city (Chiangmai). Its a nice little moo baan with some varied buildings ranging from traditional teak wood houses to Californian concrete modern abodes.

    Currently im in two minds about the house so i suppose i'll show you the land...

    The first 150 TW with the other plots (going up) continuing like this for another 50 m


    The plot of land is on the end of a public road, with another small plot (not ours) alongside. To either side runnning the whole distance of our land is massive land plots that people use currently for gardening and growing food. The total length of the land is almost 100 meters long. At its widest points, at the front by road, it is 17 meters getting to as low in width as 11M and generally continues at about 12 meters across.

    The First 150 TW is filled at about 2.3 M high for about 45 meters this brings it about 40-50 cms higher then the road at the front.

    We call this the air strip hopefully no planes will be landing here though...

    The only one downside for this plot is the massive water tower situated just left of our beautiful view of Doi Suthep temple, but hopefully someone will be planting trees to cover up this in the future. Apart from that this location is ideal and very beautiful and quiet.



    This is looking back at the road, you can see the raised land and wall.Coming back to me is the rest of it leading to a nice shaded area with a big tree, i (taking picture) am about 3/4 along the plot.


    looking down the land which stops at the hedges, nice tree which would like to make a feature in the building project.

    I would like to build the house exactly from where i am standing all the way to the raised part. Obviously the house will be on stilts so that the 1st floor will meet up at the same level as the raised part which will be an enclosed garden with rice barn (guest house) sala etc.

    The land will be sloped down from the raised area gently to the grassy ground i am standing on and will continue to a secret garden area and 2nd house. Which will be phase 2 of this project.

    All of this will be walled with a perimeter concrete foundation and where it comes out of the ground will be made too look like an old temple ruin wall to enclose us inside.

    Sorry lots of words and not enough pics but i will do some drawings to show you what type of thing im talking about soon....

    Any ideas, things that people can see as problematic, would be great to hear your comments. cheers chaps and ladies of course
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    A 100m x 12m building area with varying elevation levels. Does that about sum it up?

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    Houses, well ive seen a few ready steady go ideas but am still trying to work out if the budget will allow all wood construction or whether maybe we have to go with a concrete build? Here are some ideas from a friendly site;








    These are all the concrete houses which i like in principle and layout, i would probably have wood paneling across the buildings and more natural looking tiles to round off the look and design.

    Orientation could be a problem with the land only being 12 meters wide and the houses generally being anywhere up to 14 m, we might have to jiggle it about to get it right within the acquired space allowed for a 2 storey building.

    If we were to go with these designs I think that we would be looking at upto 1.5 million depending on finish with the extras i mentioned including q-con for the walls and insulation in the roof (wife says aircon, ben says yes dear).

    The comparison in wood is a similar ready made design from a company called thailannahomes, slightly small in overall sqm space this all wood affair comes in at 1.9 million badt.



    Some strange photo taking there, but you get the general idea.....

    Again because of the overall square nature of this design it might have to be jiggled and poked to fit a space slightly smaller. I have lots of space down the length so stretching it out is one possibility.

    Thats it for now am working on some sketches for rough ideas of overall site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    A 100m x 12m building area with varying elevation levels. Does that about sum it up?

    yes, nicely !

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    Thai House Design Ideas - Thai House Design Ideas

    I have also been looking at a design or two from this website, I dont know if anyone has used it or could reccomend whether its worthwhile?

    The design in question is Thai-XL18.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benlovesnuk
    called thailannahomes
    Nice. Pricey though.


    Quote Originally Posted by benlovesnuk
    Thats it for now am working on some sketches for rough ideas of overall site.
    Take a look here. Some good ideas.

    http://teakdoor.com/building-in-thai...icefields.html (DrAndys Wooden Cottage in the ricefields)

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    Quote Originally Posted by benlovesnuk View Post
    Houses, well ive seen a few ready steady go ideas but am still trying to work out if the budget will allow all wood construction or whether maybe we have to go with a concrete build? Here are some ideas from a friendly site;








    These are all the concrete houses which i like in principle and layout, i would probably have wood paneling across the buildings and more natural looking tiles to round off the look and design.

    Orientation could be a problem with the land only being 12 meters wide and the houses generally being anywhere up to 14 m, we might have to jiggle it about to get it right within the acquired space allowed for a 2 storey building.

    If we were to go with these designs I think that we would be looking at upto 1.5 million depending on finish with the extras i mentioned including q-con for the walls and insulation in the roof (wife says aircon, ben says yes dear).

    The comparison in wood is a similar ready made design from a company called thailannahomes, slightly small in overall sqm space this all wood affair comes in at 1.9 million badt.



    Some strange photo taking there, but you get the general idea.....

    Again because of the overall square nature of this design it might have to be jiggled and poked to fit a space slightly smaller. I have lots of space down the length so stretching it out is one possibility.

    Thats it for now am working on some sketches for rough ideas of overall site.
    The second model is the same one as being built in "The House that Jan Built" thread. http://teakdoor.com/construction-in-thailand/66620-the-house-that-jan-built.html

    Cheers




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    I think this has been asked by me and kindly answered but what is the measurement in distance between boundary and building the building will only be 2 storeys high?

    many thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by benlovesnuk
    what is the measurement in distance between boundary and building
    Will vary depending on specific local code or "custom". Where I am anything, including roof overhang, inside the property line is legal.

    From a practical stand point, much depends on coming to "compromise" regarding objection's your neighbors may have. Not much good to have the law upholding your stance if you create hostility with neighbors.
    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton
    A 100m x 12m building area with varying elevation levels. Does that about sum it up?
    nice

    Quote Originally Posted by Norton
    Currently im in two minds about the house
    seems like your schizophrenia has several more aspects than two

    Quote Originally Posted by benlovesnuk
    but what is the measurement in distance between boundary and building the building will only be 2 storeys high?
    In CM city, they are quite strict and the minimum is 1m; the overhang of the roof can be almost up to the boundary if you have a gutter

    but, as Norton said, that is a bit close if the neighbour has a house there already

    as you are outside the city, there are few restrictions, but it is best to keep away from boundaries anyway for your own privacy

    talk to an architect: I know one who works in CM area but he does not speak English. He can also build the house
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    I would just wait and try to buy some more land before building.

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    Narrow property will make for interest house design but 1200 sq meters of land is a pretty good size. Found this on the web. Lot's more narrow property designs.


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    I like those ancient Chinese shophouses (Malacca, Penang etc) that are long and narrow

    the places have the shop and some living at the front, then a courtyard totally within the confines of the house open to the sky (the outer walls continue down the whole house) then more living space at the back

    really nice feel to them

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    Also in Sydney, Aus.

    Marrickville springs to mind, small one room frontage but extending way back. Good.

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    benlovesnuk,
    I just makes me cringe every time I see yet another thread such as this where people try to impose a design on a particular plot of land going about the whole process so blatantly arse-about.

    Seems more folks spend a lot more time working through the sensible practicalities of buying something like a car than going through the motions and actually setting up a brief ( a comprehensive list of conditions and factors related to your particular circumstances ) and selecting a design that actually fits that brief.

    Mostly I see inappropriate designs being picked upon for some of the oddest reasons and then people trying to justify the design on their land.
    You started your OP on the right foot actually detailing some of the site's positive and negative features which is more than many have done before you. But go on and add other critical info such as weather factors ,east -west orientation,the soil structure , whether there are noise factors involved, services access, car access etc etc etc , you can make the list as long as you like and list the items according to YOUR priorities , not somebody else.
    After all it's going to be you living in the joint so you may as well make the place fit you and not you fitting in with it.

    Throwing a design on a plot because the design looked so pretty cool in that brouchure your happened to see and then expecting it to some how make liveable sense is nothing short of daft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deepee
    Throwing a design on a plot because the design looked so pretty cool in that brouchure your happened to see and then expecting it to some how make liveable sense is nothing short of daft.
    that is true

    hopefully Ben is aware of that and just trying things out and playing around

    he may well end up with an underground earthworks

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Norton
    A 100m x 12m building area with varying elevation levels. Does that about sum it up?
    nice

    Quote Originally Posted by Norton
    Currently im in two minds about the house
    seems like your schizophrenia has several more aspects than two

    Quote Originally Posted by benlovesnuk
    but what is the measurement in distance between boundary and building the building will only be 2 storeys high?
    In CM city, they are quite strict and the minimum is 1m; the overhang of the roof can be almost up to the boundary if you have a gutter

    but, as Norton said, that is a bit close if the neighbour has a house there already

    as you are outside the city, there are few restrictions, but it is best to keep away from boundaries anyway for your own privacy

    talk to an architect: I know one who works in CM area but he does not speak English. He can also build the house

    Ok, thats good that i have a rough idea to go by it basically cuts down the building to 10 meters in width (or across).

    As to my mental condition, we'll ...... you know DR.A!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillbilly View Post
    I would just wait and try to buy some more land before building.
    The land in this area is very expensive and the people that surround us have big plots, that squash our land in the middle of them. However they sit slightly away from ours, one separated by an irrigation channel. The other a mob boss looking doctor who is just using his as a big allotment plot. 1200sqm is big enough for the 3 of us!


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    NORTON - thank you for your interest and help not sure about the bedroom by the front door, but good to see something different?

    many thanks!

    DR>A - I like those buildings too, as well as Riads and English tudor shop buildings too, I basically like everything.........lets leave it at that!

    I am hopng to have a front garden thats quite big a public area as such, and then the house at a lower level on stilts and then behind a secret garden enclosed like a courtyard. Then wooden buildings as a later project further back. If i can make this happen i will be very happy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by deepee View Post
    benlovesnuk,
    I just makes me cringe every time I see yet another thread such as this where people try to impose a design on a particular plot of land going about the whole process so blatantly arse-about.

    Seems more folks spend a lot more time working through the sensible practicalities of buying something like a car than going through the motions and actually setting up a brief ( a comprehensive list of conditions and factors related to your particular circumstances ) and selecting a design that actually fits that brief.

    Mostly I see inappropriate designs being picked upon for some of the oddest reasons and then people trying to justify the design on their land.
    You started your OP on the right foot actually detailing some of the site's positive and negative features which is more than many have done before you. But go on and add other critical info such as weather factors ,east -west orientation,the soil structure , whether there are noise factors involved, services access, car access etc etc etc , you can make the list as long as you like and list the items according to YOUR priorities , not somebody else.
    After all it's going to be you living in the joint so you may as well make the place fit you and not you fitting in with it.

    Throwing a design on a plot because the design looked so pretty cool in that brouchure your happened to see and then expecting it to some how make liveable sense is nothing short of daft.

    Many thanks for your deepest concern, i understand exactly your point but i am not building yet....... So nothing set in stone!

    Unfortunately i have a budget and this is going to be quite restrictive( saving money like in plans and architect is necessary), however i like the general ideas from the plans above in terms of style and materials used and they suit me and my wife and how we live. Trust me this has been 2 years coming so lots of time to think. However let me say this a 1 bed condo would be great for us, so a house like those above are absolutely fitting our needs.

    I think you jumped the gun, because I understand the plot is very specific and i will make whatever i build fit the functionality of the family first (me, Wife and my son). As well as aesthetic which i think you can clearly see to be traditional Thai, all of the plans i like suit these features i mentioned.

    The plans dont fit the plot indeed, but this is a simple case of correcting aspects of the design which with these designs seems uncomplicated.

    Plus the plot is of such a size its a three stage build, but i guarantee for a person who has never owned anything like a house before i will be happy to get anything especially when similar in my country would be 8-10 times as more -so im happy.

    I feel i am creative and for my age at least have seen and been to a lot of places and experienced as much as i could have, my age restricts my outright ability in terms of finance and knowing exactly my mind like some older chaps here, but this is all part of the progress.

    But i appreciate your ideas, and will take it into consideration. But i am young so when i have a bit more money under my belt i would love to build and DESIGN my own house with an architect it sounds fun, hopefully this will be the next project!

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    benlovesnuk,
    please don't get me wrong here with your project. I think you have a golden opportunity to get a place that ties in to your block and your lifestyle.You don't have to call in architects or such as there is possibly "an off the rack "design out there now which could just be perfect to you or one that needs some tweeking around with.

    What I would enjoy seeing for once is someone putting up a decent brief to start off with and with the help of posters actually getting real value out of the effort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benlovesnuk
    thank you for your interest and help not sure about the bedroom by the front door, but good to see something different?
    The pic I posted was just a random grab off the web to show there are numerous attractive floor plans you can adapt to your needs and building area restrictions.

    What the house looks like is important but more important is the layout of the living space. If you work from the inside out in designing, you will end up with a design that fits your living style. First prioritize the various spaces within the living area. Bedroom/s, living room, kitchen and outdoor areas need to be considered when allocating space to fit your style. Develop a general layout for each area then integrate into a floor plan that fits your building area restrictions and your budget.

    I'll throw a number out here which is sure to cause debate but can act as a guide. If you want a western quality build, an average build cost is about 10,000 baht per square meter. This will vary up or down depending on cost of materials you select for roof, flooring, trim, fixtures, cabinetry and the like.

    Get the living area (floor plan) as you need it and then apply interior and exterior trim to give you the look you desire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deepee
    I think you have a golden opportunity to get a place that ties in to your block and your lifestyle.
    Indeed. No need for a design architect this early in the process or even one at all. Develop as much detail as you can on something fitting your lifestyle needs first. At some point you may need to have a structural engineer to gather it all into a set of build drawings.

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    If you're designing a house, a book you should read is A Pattern Language by Christopher Alexander. It's not cheap but you can download an html version from http://www.4shared.com/file/r9UkcjMq...ern_L.html?s=1
    Last edited by Dan; 24-04-2010 at 10:05 AM.

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    Hey good work there Dan,
    We used "A PATTERN LANGUAGE" extensively on a past design and build and, if as the book says, use the bits you feel comfortable with and apply the suggestions to your own specific plans.
    Our resulting design and self build have created an immensely liveable home and to prove it we often have friends inviting themselves up to see us and then invariably staying on overnight. The classic comment is " it is just so relaxing here". I get a real buzz standing back and watching peoples faces as they walk into our place and to see them settle on down and then see them reluctant to go.

    It is amazing how just so bleeding obvious some of the principles towards a good design are but are just left out , god knows only why, and this is just why I'm sticking my big nose in on this topic.

    If anyone cares it's a must read if you are doing some design work.

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