Thread: Land Titles ...por tor bor 5

Anyone ever had any experince with this type of title, owning for long perionds, buying, selling...anything ??

I think I'm right in saying it's a Tax payment on the land, best I ask her in doors whan she comes home

OKay if you actually want to farm it

If you're planning to build on it (and live on it until you croak) and not develop it for later resale, you'll probably be OK.

Care to divulge the region?

Khao yai.

Not for development....my private castle.

Aren't there any other people who live there that you can talk to? Or are you going to be the trailblazer (always a frightening prospect in Thailand)?

Sounds like fun, though- I'm still looking for my retirement spot.

This is the thing, you here the boogy stories, but the property is basically surrounded by other farms or dwellings, both large and small.

But the price is significantly high enough to make you think long and hard, not a few hundred thousand that you could walk away from and say stiff cheddar.

EVERYBODY has a story they heard second- (or third- or fourth-) hand- a couple might be true (like the one I related from Koh Samui)- most aren't.

It's a tough call- the bottom line is that you cannot legally build a dwelling on the land- if someone (local) was angry with you for some reason, they could possibly make a problem for you.

Do you have a lawyer you actually trust? Have him look into it.

what I have done is buy a small plot in the village with title overlooking the agricultural land

Plenty of houses in Los are built with no permission....many areas do not actually require any type of building permit.

As for the Generals land, I was of the understanding that his land was issued to farmers that were moved on because of the flooding of the valley below for the dam. They were given this land as compensation and they were not allowed to sell it, only pass onto heirs...forget the title name of this type now.

The PTB5 is actually saleable ladn, you can actully sell it to other parties, but the sticker is that possession of this type and the tax receipts etc is not an arguable position if something goes wrong. whereas the Nor Sor titles are arguable and proof.

I do have a lawyer, but as to trusting any of them...probably not.

Originally Posted by Nawty

I do have a lawyer, but as to trusting any of them...probably not.

Yep, that's a problem- the wife's uncle (real uncle) is mine- her father put him through law school, and he repays that debt by helping the rest of the family in legal matters (he was actually offered a 200K bribe by a landlord to tell me there was a government access road to a plot of land I was interested in when no such road existed- most other lawyers would have taken it and I would have been screwed)- it's a real issue here finding a good one.

Originally Posted by Nawty

The PTB5 is actually saleable ladn, you can actully sell it to other parties, but the sticker is that possession of this type and the tax receipts etc is not an arguable position if something goes wrong. whereas the Nor Sor titles are arguable and proof.

Yes and no.. To start with, the word possess cant be used for Por Tor Bor 5 land.
The land belongs to the government and the current tax payer for the land is the caretaker of the land.
When, eventually, the land gets a proper land deed the caretaker is the most likely one to become the owner of the land.
It is very important at that time that you can prove that you have taken care of the land (bush trimming, fruit orchard plantation as example) or someone else may try to get the deed.

The government doesn't care about transactions of Por Tor Bor 5 land, you can transfer the land to a new caretaker and he'll be the one who will come in question for getting a proper deed since he is now the one paying tax for using the land and you are not.

Building on Por Tor Bor 5 land is allowed as long as it is a building needed for your care taking. A smallish family house, barns or sheds are allowed.
You are not allowed to use this type of land for industrial purpose so you can not set up a factory building or make a resort on it.

You can not register any building on Por Tor Bor 5 land so can't get an official address for it and no house book.

Originally Posted by Nawty

The PTB5 is actually saleable ladn, you can actully sell it to other parties,

You can. PTB5 is used to establish usage rights if disputes arise between private parties. It does not protect against disputes with the State. A PTB5 does not establish ownership.

Can't recall specifics of the General's dispute with UDD demonstrators but quite sure his wife applied for and was given a PTB5 for the land.

Originally Posted by lom

You can not register any building on Por Tor Bor 5 land so can't get an official address for it and no house book.

Or legal utilities, I believe- you need house registration papers to get hooked up with an electric meter.

Originally Posted by FailSafe

you need house registration papers to get hooked up with an electric meter.

This is not entirely true.

Maybe in town areas or such, but at the plantation, down on the farm, we have no house registration papers and got the electric connected no problems

Originally Posted by Nawty

Originally Posted by FailSafe

you need house registration papers to get hooked up with an electric meter.

This is not entirely true.

Maybe in town areas or such, but at the plantation, down on the farm, we have no house registration papers and got the electric connected no problems

Really? How was the meter registered, then? In someone's name/company only, without a proper address listed?

This is interesting- I wasn't aware it was possible (without illicitly siphoning electricity off the line...)

No, we do not siphon.

It is simply in my wifes name I believe, I shall ask for sure but.

But we do have a meter and even a proper pole to put it on n all.....3 phase to boot

Originally Posted by FailSafe

Originally Posted by lom

You can not register any building on Por Tor Bor 5 land so can't get an official address for it and no house book.

Or legal utilities, I believe- you need house registration papers to get hooked up with an electric meter.

You can get "construction power", a temporary connection to the grid by either paying a deposit and going to the power company's office monthly to pay your bill, or by being registered on another address in the Amphur to which they can bill you.

This is a much nicer and friendlier environment on TD...you get all your quieries answered nicely and most of the time you get good honest and imformative replies.


I posted this over where the devils reside and all the mightier than thou attitudes have been released from the furnace.

Originally Posted by lom

Originally Posted by FailSafe

Originally Posted by lom

You can not register any building on Por Tor Bor 5 land so can't get an official address for it and no house book.

Or legal utilities, I believe- you need house registration papers to get hooked up with an electric meter.

You can get "construction power", a temporary connection to the grid by either paying a deposit and going to the power company's office monthly to pay your bill, or by being registered on another address in the Amphur to which they can bill you.

Which can probably be continued indefinitely as long as the bill is paid (the electric company won't care as long as the baht is rolling in).

That's good to know- I was always under the impression that tor bor 5 land wouldn't be able to be hooked up to the grid.

Originally Posted by Nawty

This is a much nicer and friendlier environment on TD...you get all your quieries answered nicely and most of the time you get good honest and imformative replies.


I posted this over where the devils reside and all the mightier than thou attitudes have been released from the furnace.

This is important stuff that needs to be addressed- the more you know about real estate, the more money you can make and the better your investments will be protected- what's to get "holier than though" about- we're all in this together.

I am not talking about TB5 land here...we have Chanote....I was talking about us not having house papers or such