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    Building a big building in Thailand

    Well we have all learnt how to build our own Swimming Pool in Thailand, and the build your own shophouse thread is nearly complete, so now it's time to move onto bigger stuff, yep time to build your own massive multi storey building, this place is just down the road from me and judging from the pilings I think it will probably be a 6 to 8 storey building, obviously if you reckon on 30 days per floor this thread will still be going next year, so have patience.


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    Estimated cost to build?

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    12 to 15,000baht per square meter.

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    Last high rise I worked on was a 30 storey, poured in-place reinforced concrete bldg; no structural Iron. Three wings, we did wing one and the core columns and beams day one, the slab day two, picked the concrete pump boom and poured wing two c&b day three, and so on. topped the fucker out with redhook and zachary's pizze after 37 weeks.
    Interior and exterior finish took another 26 weeks.
    wasn't no $30 - 40 a square foot though...
    but the fucker's fulla people now. This one, when it's done? Will there be anyone in it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by friscofrankie
    This one, when it's done? Will there be anyone in it?
    Yeah there will as it is on Soi Theprasit, but alas it will only be a row of shophouses looking at the pilings, time to let this thread die as everyone now knows how to build their own shophouse I shall have a look for something a bit more adventerous...

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    How about a thread on various kinds of roofs? Like cheap ones all the way to more solid and more secure ones.

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    No such thing as a secure roof really, with school store rooms we just strand barbed wire amongst the joists, if the roof tiles are sprayed with insulation that makes it a lot harder to get in, with normal roofs the tiles are just laid and not fixed, we normally just chuck a nail thru the fixing hole and weld that onto the steel truss.

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    What about the mega-expensive houses? Still just that easy to life a few tiles and you're in? I've seen some temples under contruction near Udon and it looks like they use cement and steel?

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    Just hired a fella to mow down the jungle on out land. Paid the cash for a proper survey (we have a chanote but damned if I can find the markers). I paced off the land, it's at the end of a block so we got road on three sides. The land is only 119 TRW. I paced it off, looks like its ~= 30 meters long. This would then indicate it's about 15.8 meters deep.
    There's some old fence posts near the back line but that's only about 13 meters.. Thus the survey. Fuckin people in this country will go ahead and move markers and fence post to gain an extra meter or two.
    We've got us phone line reserved, (so I'm told, we'll see). Thing is With the land being such a narrow strip I intend to build an elevated house. The living area will be elevated about 1.5 meters above grade, with a living area below that is 1.5 meters below grade. There will be a wing for bedrooms (3) baths (2) and a utility room. This wing will be a full 3 meters above grade with a shop area under (shop has got to be at, or slightly above grade). Having worked around contrete for a few years I am appalled at the quality of work done here. I intend to pour the below grade area making the walls of that area massive enough to support a steel frame work the span across the living area will be about 6 -7 meters.

    Construction above will be wood (probably post & beam type const with double sheathed exterior over a stud frame between posts. I am considering slab floors on the upper level (pan-deck). This can be tiled in granite ceramic tile or even a false wooden floor laid over.

    Couple of questions crop up:
    Septic:
    I really hate having to get pumped so with the size of my lot (tiny mother-fucker that it is). is it going to be extremely difficult to set up a siphon and leech field for this? (We've got public water so ground water is not an issue).
    This leads us to Gound water seepage:
    With one living area below grade about 1.5 meters what stepds shold I take during the setup and pour to prevent this? Plastic sheet? normally we'd pour the footings with rebar tied out into the slab area the pour the slab, should I pour a "matt" prior to pouring the footings/slab? Going for a monolithic pour with 1.5 tall meter walls is asking for trouble ain't it? guess ti would be similar to a pool, but I've only built two pools in my lifetime and they were gunnite, hardly the stuff footings are made of.

    Coatings for the steel:
    I'm leaning towards epoxy the parts (columns & beams with gussets and mountings) would be welded onsite (by yours truly) then lifted into place triangulation would be done by bolt up on three fo the walls The fourth would be a concrete framed "utility room. what about Hot-dipped galvanizing? is it expensive/shoddy?

    Any other criticisms or advice on this building method?
    I know it will be expensive and probably over built, but then I'm a heavy equipment man and I tend to build things to be hit by a Mac truck and shrug it off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by friscofrankie
    This leads us to Gound water seepage: With one living area below grade about 1.5 meters what stepds shold I take during the setup and pour to prevent this? Plastic sheet?
    I shall go for the easy question I reckon doing this will be something you will regret for the rest of your life, cellars are prone to dampness and water seepage in the UK where building standards are slightly better, here with flooding etc being quite common I think you will regret having an indoor swimming pool waiting to be filled

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    Quote Originally Posted by surasak
    I've seen some temples under contruction near Udon and it looks like they use cement and steel?
    Yes, I have noticed that but only for a temple.

    A thin concrete roof about 3 inches thick and then tiles on top.

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    I have seen quite a few places like this. One in Chiangrai was quite nice and cool in the hot months. With my land configuration I reall need to optimize my land usage.
    The worries of flooding from external (rain) water can be defeated. We will be bringing the ground level to about 30 CM above street level and the municipality is, as I write this, putting in nice storm drains. The Moobahn is on the same creek that runs behind my building here.
    something you will regret for the rest of your life
    What the fuck, just one more among the many

    Just that ground water....
    I imagine I could go with less depth and berm up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by surasak
    How about a thread on various kinds of roofs? Like cheap ones all the way to more solid and more secure ones.
    Ok the next thread shall be on roofs, I must warn you in advance that roofs are really boring, just some steel welded together and some tiles chucked on top to stop the rain getting in, I suppose we could go into the exciting bits like "RooF Ventilation" and stuff like that, and the joys of using roof paints to change the color of your roof, is it me that cant get any enthusiam for this thread or are roofs really boring?

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    Well for me I would like to see if you don't mind since I'm going to be planning my own house soon. I haven't had much chance to observe many houses under construction in LOS and I would like to know some options. My wife's family has a house with steel sheets for the roof and while it sounds cool when it rains I would imagine it doesn't do much to reflect heat away.

    I know how houses here in the states are constructed and would like to compare all aspects. The main thing I haven't seen is the difference in roofs.

    Are there any that use prefab wood trusses, for example, or is wood just not used/too expensive? Also was interested in roof styles as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by friscofrankie
    Septic: I really hate having to get pumped so with the size of my lot (tiny mother-fucker that it is). is it going to be extremely difficult to set up a siphon and leech field for this?
    A wide hole is better than a deep hole depending on the water table.

    surasak the roofing thread is started, but I aint really over excited by it all

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    DD, I think all of us would be interested in as much information as possible

    concerning "natural cooling" and related subjects. Wind turbine's, high

    ceilings, etc. Cooling a house here is a real serious matter. Also with A/C

    an expensive matter.

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    Ok we are gonna carry on this thread as I passed there today and was a bit bored so I took some pics, got to admit I still think it is gonna be a row of six storey shophouses though which is hardly exciting.

    Anyway they got all the pilings in and cracked off the tops and have started digging and doing footings and other great stuff like that.








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    Wow! proper forms but not very straight. Steel looks a bit skinny for six stories - but what do I know?

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    Well they now got all the footings in so onwards with the beams.


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    Couple more days and I think the old concrete lorry will be here doing the pour for the beams


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    Well things are moving on at a slow pace, they probably wonder why this idio farangs keeps coming round to take pictures.




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    Any updates? Should be ready by now I guess.

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