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Bangyai · 03-07-2009, 01:20 PM

The gf has some land in Wichien Buri and we were thinking of building a small holiday home on it with a view to moving there permanently in the future. I've checked all the threads in the construction forum but it seems other peoples ideas of small are not the same as mine. I call 2 - 3 bedrooms big already !!

What we were thinking of was a 1 bedroom bungalow with living room, kitchenette and bathroom.....about 45 - 50 sq metres with a budget of around 400,000 baht. Is this possible.?

Lastly, the last time I built a place in the sticks ( Khon Kaen ) no planning permission was required and there were no inspections of work carried out. I understand this is not the case now. What hassles can I expect ?

Interestingly, the walls of the house I had built in Khon Kaen were built on just 6" of reinforced concrete !! No deep footings as the ground was rock hard. Amazingly, the place is still standing !

Nawty · 03-07-2009, 03:15 PM

400k can be done, depends on what you do/supervise yourself etc.

I am doing a bungalow at the moment for 200k....plus labour however.....but i have some nice materials that cost extra, whereas if you just go cheap and nasty you could do it easy.

jandajoy · 03-07-2009, 03:16 PM

you got plans Nawty? As in plans for your shed.

Nawty · 03-07-2009, 03:20 PM

Nope, built the shed on scraps of paper....then they got lost by the builder anyway.

Bungalow is same, scratchings on paper and going ok so far.

jandajoy · 03-07-2009, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Nawty

Nope, built the shed on scraps of paper....then they got lost by the builder anyway. Bungalow is same, scratchings on paper and going ok so far.

Yup, that's what I reckon initially. Planning on a big, strong slab then work from that. In theory. I've got a slope to deal with though. No, not Joy.

Nawty · 03-07-2009, 03:29 PM

Slope will be good if it is in direction of the mountains or best view

Nawty · 03-07-2009, 03:30 PM

nothing like a good slope to wake up to

jandajoy · 03-07-2009, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nawty

Slope will be good if it is in direction of the mountains or best view

Yer Tiz. And sunsets.

Norton · 03-07-2009, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jandajoy

Planning on a big, strong slab then work from that.

If by "slab" you mean concrete poured on the ground, I would not recommend.

jandajoy · 03-07-2009, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Norton

If by "slab" you mean concrete poured on the ground, I would not recommend.

A "slab" in my terms means holes, bid buggers, mxm, dug, shuttered, reoed, Filled and vibrated. Connected to a 20 cm slab, lifted and reoed at 10 mill, tied into holes. Reo extended to meet future uprights etc.

Am I mad?

TexasRanger · 03-07-2009, 04:41 PM

Shit, my house is built on a slab. Mind you, it hasn't fallen down yet....

Norton · 03-07-2009, 04:47 PM

JJ's land on side of mountain. Slab could be a problem for him.

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Originally Posted by jandajoy

A "slab" in my terms means holes, bid buggers, mxm, dug, shuttered, reoed, Filled and vibrated. Connected to a 20 cm slab, lifted and reoed at 10 mill, tied into holes. Reo extended to meet future uprights etc. Am I mad?

Slab with footings. Should be OK.

jandajoy · 03-07-2009, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Norton

Slab with footings. Should be OK.

I think so. Big fokin footins first. Let 'em sit and tie on to 'em later.

blackgang · 03-07-2009, 05:03 PM

No slab on hillside, water running by will wash all the soil away.
More ground you disturb the more it will fuck up during heavy rains.

Bangyai · 03-07-2009, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nawty

400k can be done, depends on what you do/supervise yourself etc.

I am doing a bungalow at the moment for 200k....plus labour however.....but i have some nice materials that cost extra, whereas if you just go cheap and nasty you could do it easy.

Thanks for that.....200 k plus labour sounds a bargain. How big is it going to be and do you plan to have more than 1 room ? In any event, it would make a good thread so keep us posted if possible.

Panda · 03-07-2009, 05:08 PM

The concept of a slab floor in Thailand is quite different from what it is in Australia (and possibly other western countries I would guess?)
In Australia a "slab" floor is supported by the fill underneath which is bedding sand over firm ground. In Thailand a slab floor is supported by piers with deep footings no more than 4 meters apart. The loose fill thrown in in this type of construction offers little, if any support for the slab floor.

jandajoy · 03-07-2009, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Panda

The concept of a slab floor in Thailand is quite different from what it is in Australia (and possibly other western countries I would guess?) In Australia a "slab" floor is supported by the fill underneath which is bedding sand over firm ground. In Thailand a slab floor is supported by piers with deep footings no more than 4 meters apart. The loose fill thrown in in this type of construction offers little, if any support for the slab floor.

Very fair comment. My thoughts are, a. good solid slab floor, on my standards, with link ups to build on.

In my view if the original slab/foundation is good, you can't go to far wrong.

But I'm wide open to constructive criticism. Welcome it,.

Bangyai · 03-07-2009, 05:39 PM

As a matter of interest here are a some of pictures of what a couple of posters on TV managed to build on a low budget : ( Hope they don't object

)

The first was done for 100,000 baht......single room plus bathroom.
The blue roofed one is slightly bigger and came in at 225,000

Panda · 03-07-2009, 07:36 PM

If I was going to build a small 1 bedroom bungalow I would base it on the maximum 4 meter spacings for the supporting piers in order to get maximum floor space for cost. One 4x4 bedroom. One 4x4 living area. And 2, 4x4 blocks out the back comprising kitchen, bathroom and toilet, with a little room left over for a nice semi open sit down patio area. Total living area under roof 64 sq meters less the space taken up by walls.

I am sure Thais build these kinds of dwellings all the time for well under the 400k mark. But when you start adding in some western fit out trimmings like a decent kitchen, metal window frames, hot water, ceiling fans etc.. , I doubt you would get much change out of 6 to 700k by the time the job was finished.
My assumptions are only based on information I have gained here and elsewhere through research as I havent started building our place yet. But I would be surprised if any of the more experienced expat builders here would say I am far off the mark.

You could probably build a little Thai style humpey with bare concrete floors, , no kitchen fit out, no ceilings and a toilet shower which consists of a hole in the floor with a big tub of water next to it for well under 400 k.

Norton · 03-07-2009, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Panda

I am sure Thais build these kinds of dwellings all the time for well under the 400k mark. But when you start adding in some western fit out trimmings like a decent kitchen, metal window frames, hot water, ceiling fans etc.. , I doubt you would get much change out of 6 to 700k by the time the job was finished.

About right.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

labour =126,000 materials around 400,000 give or take.

CMN built quite a cozy house for about 700k. 3 bedroom, I believe.

http://teakdoor.com/building-in-thai...new-house.html (The construction of my new house..)

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Bangyai Satun Last Online: Today 02:33 PM Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 659	Build a small house. The gf has some land in Wichien Buri and we were thinking of building a small holiday home on it with a view to moving there permanently in the future. I've checked all the threads in the construction forum but it seems other peoples ideas of small are not the same as mine. I call 2 - 3 bedrooms big already !! What we were thinking of was a 1 bedroom bungalow with living room, kitchenette and bathroom.....about 45 - 50 sq metres with a budget of around 400,000 baht. Is this possible.? Lastly, the last time I built a place in the sticks ( Khon Kaen ) no planning permission was required and there were no inspections of work carried out. I understand this is not the case now. What hassles can I expect ? Interestingly, the walls of the house I had built in Khon Kaen were built on just 6" of reinforced concrete !! No deep footings as the ground was rock hard. Amazingly, the place is still standing !

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Nawty Boxed Member Last Online: Yesterday 02:09 PM Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: in a box marked 'fragile' Posts: 5,484	400k can be done, depends on what you do/supervise yourself etc. I am doing a bungalow at the moment for 200k....plus labour however.....but i have some nice materials that cost extra, whereas if you just go cheap and nasty you could do it easy.

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jandajoy Thailand Travel Forum Last Online: Today 02:25 PM Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: out bush Chiang Rai way Posts: 14,014	you got plans Nawty? As in plans for your shed.

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Nawty Boxed Member Last Online: Yesterday 02:09 PM Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: in a box marked 'fragile' Posts: 5,484	Nope, built the shed on scraps of paper....then they got lost by the builder anyway. Bungalow is same, scratchings on paper and going ok so far.

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Nawty Boxed Member Last Online: Yesterday 02:09 PM Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: in a box marked 'fragile' Posts: 5,484	Slope will be good if it is in direction of the mountains or best view

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Nawty Boxed Member Last Online: Yesterday 02:09 PM Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: in a box marked 'fragile' Posts: 5,484	nothing like a good slope to wake up to

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blackgang I am in Jail Last Online: 25-10-2009 08:00 PM Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Phetchabun city Posts: 13,218	No slab on hillside, water running by will wash all the soil away. More ground you disturb the more it will fuck up during heavy rains.

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Panda Thailand Forum Last Online: Today 02:29 PM Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 4,917	The concept of a slab floor in Thailand is quite different from what it is in Australia (and possibly other western countries I would guess?) In Australia a "slab" floor is supported by the fill underneath which is bedding sand over firm ground. In Thailand a slab floor is supported by piers with deep footings no more than 4 meters apart. The loose fill thrown in in this type of construction offers little, if any support for the slab floor.

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Bangyai Satun Last Online: Today 02:33 PM Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 659	As a matter of interest here are a some of pictures of what a couple of posters on TV managed to build on a low budget : ( Hope they don't object ) The first was done for 100,000 baht......single room plus bathroom. The blue roofed one is slightly bigger and came in at 225,000

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Panda Thailand Forum Last Online: Today 02:29 PM Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 4,917	If I was going to build a small 1 bedroom bungalow I would base it on the maximum 4 meter spacings for the supporting piers in order to get maximum floor space for cost. One 4x4 bedroom. One 4x4 living area. And 2, 4x4 blocks out the back comprising kitchen, bathroom and toilet, with a little room left over for a nice semi open sit down patio area. Total living area under roof 64 sq meters less the space taken up by walls. I am sure Thais build these kinds of dwellings all the time for well under the 400k mark. But when you start adding in some western fit out trimmings like a decent kitchen, metal window frames, hot water, ceiling fans etc.. , I doubt you would get much change out of 6 to 700k by the time the job was finished. My assumptions are only based on information I have gained here and elsewhere through research as I havent started building our place yet. But I would be surprised if any of the more experienced expat builders here would say I am far off the mark. You could probably build a little Thai style humpey with bare concrete floors, , no kitchen fit out, no ceilings and a toilet shower which consists of a hole in the floor with a big tub of water next to it for well under 400 k.

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