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wanna

hi DD

i have given some background to the situation.

granted, i may have to pay some money to obtain the needed information, but i would like to obtain quality information for the same price, if possible.

also, advice in these forums are free and largely unbiased, so it gives a better idea for me how to proceed ahead.

i do understand that people do not work for free and of course expect to be paid a certain renumeration for doing so.

you may have noticed that in my various interactions with splitlid, i did not in anyway try to force him to come up with the foundation drawings for free.

ideally, friends and business should not mix. but if they do, maybe friendship price, but not free.

i was just waiting to see if splitlid might come up with a quotation.

but he isnt interested, so i respect his decision

Tomesarn

If you're the same Wanna who is on another forum (tv) asking for "free or very reasonable fees", you should be ashamed of yourself. You managed to get/fanagle the 3d renderings for free as well....granted, Splitlid did graciously offer to do them, but after reading through all the posts it seems you have a knack/agenda for taking advantage of people.
As already suggested, get a professional to finish your little house structure plans instead of trying do get everything for free. Mind sharing with the rest of us what business you're in?

wanna

hi tomesarn

yes i did also post on coolthaihouse as well as thaivisa.

if i am procuring a product or service, what i would usually do is find out the function of the product / scope of the service and the costs involved.

yes i do bargain if i want to buy the product / or engage the services, but i will always ask for a cost upfront.

i have read on some forums where some architect complained that a lot of work was done for a friend without a single word of thanks.

so it is always best to talk and agree on costs upfront to avoid any misunderstanding later.

i see that my posts on thaivisa has attracted some strong comments, so i'll try to answer as best as i can over there

Up2U

As I'm banned for life on TV I didn't see your postings there.

You did not answer the question about your own profession / discipline, but I am sure you are aware that we all have spent years learning our craft and that the experience is worth at least a token payment.

I am a civil engineer, but I would still expect to pay an architect to design the space and layout of a new home, as well as a contractor to build it. If I was supervising the construction, which I have done on work up to and including nuclear power plants, I would also employ skilled engineers from mechanical and electrical disciplines to supervise their specialities.

We may have the reputation of bum-crack boys, but even when building a single house there should be an element of professionalism at all levels.

Sadly with many Thai contractors you will not gt this, even at foreman level. If you cannot keep the standards up with your own experience, then the worst of the Cambodian/Burmese refugee labour will be on your site and will cost you many times the savings you hope to make by dispensing with a few professionals.

You don't need expat help, but you do need professional help and I would suggest that you find local engineers that will be willing to supervise the job. You can then supervise them.

And please let the contractor buy the materials - he will have standing arrangements with suppliers for discounts, for late-billing and so on - which will mean that his quote of labour+materials will be far lower than his quote to you of labour-only with you supplying materials (when they are available). And what about plant (excavators, compactors, concrete mixers, vibrators, etc., etc.)? Who supplies?

Really, you are heading for heartbreak.

lob

ive been to great pains to reply, as nobody can wind me up face to face as i'm too astute, its been done once. your whole thread is absurd, well not the thread as much as you wanna. your building a f#### house not a nuclear power station. i do enjoy all the building threads as its one of my main hobbies. the underlying theme tho, is, that its all good fun by the proposed tennant, some know a little and one in particular knows fuck all but has read a lot and understood fuck all, no prises for the correct answer. not sure where you're comming from or what you're after, no ones going to step up and build it for you or pay for it, so stop the bull shit you're becoming boreing. if you want the details of the ampure architect and builder that i told you about before, ring my wife on the number, i think u have. this will be my last word to you as your whole aproach is farsical. sorry to be blunt mate but a prick is just that.

splitlid

ouch

wanna

yup ouch...but true

wanna

hi lob

yes i have been keeping your number but that i have been stuck in bkk till now

i admit that i dont know much about building(as you have pointed out, nothing at all)

while most of the building threads have gone well, there are also some where a great deal of money was spent to rectify the faults subsequent to the build

if it happens, then i have no one to blame but myself. so i'm being overly cautious, and demanding...as you say

as usual i would like to apologise to all members for any distress or inconvenience i have caused them

gusG

Hi Wanna,

I've got some great structural drawings that I had done by an Ampure architect for single story and double story buildings (only cost me an arm and a leg), together with detailed boq's for every aspect of construction.

These were also supplied with all the relevant building permits and licenses, but apparently, as you don't need any of these, it would be no good to you if I sent any them to you.

If any other "friends" that want a favour for "free" would like to have a look, please Pm me,and I'll "think" about it.

PS: Good luck with your "free home"

dirtydog

Its nothing to do with the free home or anything like that, anybody that does the structural stuff has to spend time looking at the plans, the time he has to spend looking at the plans he might as well have done the structural stuff and the plans, its just a real dumb situation to be in, civil engineers decide what will stand up, architheques have fancifull poofy ideas of what would look good, but the civil engineer makes the decision and he don't care about your pink curtains.

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