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    Rice field construction....?

    Hi,

    What would be the initial things to think about in building on ricefields???

    There is a cement road that runs parallel with the land with a ditch leading to the rice field which leads directly from the road, it is 2 rai in size, there is water underneath (so im told) to dig a well.

    Electric over the road on someone elses property (does this matter?).

    Can someone give me opinions on what would be best to first?

    my thoughts were;

    fill before rainy season,

    leave for the major part of the year and then sort everything else after that, sounds good or am i barking mad?

    cheers for the advice
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    Hi,
    unable to help too much with your "Ricefield construction" what exactly do you want to build?
    To leap to your last question, are you barking mad? - IMHO, I believe you are! - yes, without a doubt, you haven't done a great deal of research have you?
    Hopefully some of the more learned members of Teak door will rally around with more constructive feedback than I have!
    Hope so, as interested what their advice will be.
    Good Luck

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    I have done lots of research, i understand the basics which is what i believe i have initiated in my thread! however I am asking for advice off people who have done it so as to get practical information tips and tricks, reduce costs by other peoples practical wisdom.

    I hope someone can help though im sure its been covered, the rice is being picked in April, after which i hope to dump and fill the land.

    I presume its best to go up to the road level for the whole land with building areas slightly elevated above this graduating down and away from said buildings?

    Does the fill of soil ie. aggregate need to be of a certain composition or laid in such a way?

    thanks for your efforts
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    Quote Originally Posted by benlovesnuk
    What would be the initial things to think about in building on ricefields???
    Do you have a few pics of the property? Would be helpful for getting suggestions.

    If the property is isolated most important considerations are access and services.

    Is the cement road public or is it on someone else's property?

    If the electric is on someone else's property you could have a problem.

    Fill the land about 1 to 1.2 meters above the levees on adjoining properties. Putting the fill in before rainy season and waiting is recommended but may not be necessary depending on the footings you intend for the house. Drainage is important so make sure the fill accounts for this.

    Doubt there will be telephone line so you need to check availability of CDMA at your location for internet.

    You say water is available if you dig a bore hole. Better verify this.

    When building in an isolated area you will always have to consider security. Walls and the like won't do. Bottom line is when you are not there, someone needs to be.

    Also, check the deed to make sure you/partner really "own" the property and can build on it. As you've researched this already I reckon you have all the deed stuff sorted.
    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

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    sorry, missed the original question and i posted a pile of crap reply coz i thunk the poor guy was gonn try farm RICE!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by benlovesnuk View Post
    Hi,

    What would be the initial things to think about in building on ricefields???

    do you like rice?

    There is a cement road that runs parallel with the land with a ditch leading to the rice field which leads directly from the road, it is 2 rai in size, there is water underneath (so im told) to dig a well.

    what is the question? I am sure there will be water for a well. prob only need to go to 10m deep

    Electric over the road on someone elses property (does this matter?).

    Not for them. If you need electric, you will have to come from the pole on the public road, so they can give you a meter. Check the nearest public pole; you will have to put extra poles in for yourself, but they are not too expensive.

    Can someone give me opinions on what would be best to first?

    yes, fill the land, get electric (you can take from your neighbour temporarily if he allows; you will have to have some arrangement as to how much you pay), dig a borehole.
    You don't have to let the new infill earth subside before construction as your foundation will be in the existing earth. Up to you.

    my thoughts were;

    fill before rainy season,

    leave for the major part of the year and then sort everything else after that, sounds good or am i barking mad?

    cheers for the advice
    so, get going and don't forget the pics

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    It look like your are going to spend a lot a money just to fill in HER 2 rai.
    It might be cheaper to buy/lease your OWN land which is ready to be build on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johpam View Post
    It look like your are going to spend a lot a money just to fill in HER 2 rai.
    It might be cheaper to buy/lease your OWN land which is ready to be build on.

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    Thanks for the help it seems that depending on my foundations will depend on getting it done before may!?!

    pictures are;


    view of the mountains from the land this is west!



    This is looking at the land from above, it starts where the road bends around the temple at the top right corner and the tree line starts, it runs up to the end of the tree line going across (which is cut off here top middle right) and across.

    I can see doi saket, and the other range of mountains ive now forgotten where....... as well as having almost a panoramic view. The temple faces the road but this will be blocked in slight with a featured entrance wall, though its quite a nice view to have (maybe some wont agree).

    any other thoughts..........?
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    I need your Windows Live login and password to veiw the pictures
    Could you post them please

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    alright then fair enough........................ill try and load them into teakdoor and post soon!!!!!

    you can have them thetyim no one else as long as you promise/?!!"?"!$"%$?

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    One of our members built in the middle of a rice field just north of CM. He has very nice bungalows for rent as well. Maybe you could rent one for a year or so while you are building your place. You'll have the added value of seeing how he did his building.

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    Yes indeed Norton, absolutely true!

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    in addition, you could save some money by only building up the land to the top of the ricefield walls (real name?...dykes?) and then making the bit where the house is a bit higher

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    Thanks for that, i am actually in Doi-Saket district there are quite a few foreigners and Thai's that have houses for rent in the area, but not a bad idea at all.

    Im unsure as to what is the best way forward with filling and raising of the land?

    I have been told that we need to reserve the soil fill and choose the grade quality i was wonderng if anyone can give me any help to this maybe?

    I was first quoted a highly expensive amount in my opinion which was to fill 1 meter high per 1 ta rang wa. This would come in at a cost of 400k +, i have since been told a lot cheaper but was wondering on what others have payed and which companies or people they have used???

    There is a concern that some fill is taken from the graveyards which my wife does not want, again any info on this would be most appreciated?

    As to pictures......bare with me i am slow

    thanks

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    forgive me for the bad shots, i had only my prime lens no zoom and no wide angle. This is looking on to the land from the road.


    This is looking roughly north at doi saket temple and mountain, the land we have is opposite this rice field you see in front!



    This view lies westerly in direction towards more mountains creating a feel of being wrapped around them. The views are greatly reduced due to crop burning!!!!!

    but have seen them when no smoke and its pretty amazing..............more to come soon

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    Looks good Ben

    The smog is bad at the moment, as always this time of year

    they are still happily burning rubbish everywhere in spite of prohibition

    and keep posting your progress

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    Cheers DR.A mucho apreciated, im happy with the land and its position to the main road and Chiangmai. We are really happy with the ability to still see some fantastic views of doi saket and surroundig area though being only about 14km from the centre!

    The smog was terrible when we were up there, mountains just dissapeared behind the smoke, its a reason to be in the open air a bit more in my mind rather then the heavy polluted city (though i dont think there's a better city in thailand). Although my wife would prefer to be in the city i think she is happy with how amazing the views are and the potential we have for building something beautiful and different!

    so like i say some more photo's soon and progress reports to follow........

    We have brought 2 rai 30 tarang wa, we are going to try and buy land around us thats not connected to the road itself but to our land. This should enable us to get a good price from farmers as this is the main land they are selling, keeping roadsie land for bigger payouts or themselves i think!

    There is a big temple next to us, and not much else which keeps the peaceful nature of the place whilst also highlighting the panoramic views all the way around the land.

    lets hope i can do it right............keep posted!

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    Quote Originally Posted by benlovesnuk View Post
    Thanks for the help it seems that depending on my foundations will depend on getting it done before may!?!

    The good thing about that countryside area, it only takes 3 days to get planning permission. They don't care too much about building up the ricefields, so are happy to say yes

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    Dr.a that sounds good, is there anything that you could tell me that might cause a problem with planning permission???

    Also do you need planning to raise the land primarily?

    thanks for the support

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    Ben - I would imagine that cob is going to be a lot heavier than an ordinary Thai house so you/your builder will have to do your calculations accordingly if you're now going to be building on infill.

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    I can see power lines on the picture, so you should have no problem there.....
    Ask about the neighbours where the water table level is for your water well, also look in the TD archives there is an excellent thread about waste water\sewage disposal.
    Cant see why you would need planning permission to raise land? I have a 3 rai lot that was rice that was raised to grow sugar cane and no permission needed.
    Good luck

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    Dan - The infill will be high quality grade rock aggregate and soil, it will be left for about 9 months until the dry season. Do you think this will still not be ready to build on with cob, because of the mass involved of a cob house?

    I would have thought that as long as foundations are big enough and deep enough to allow for the weight which would be dug into the infill anyway(I believe roughly an extra 300 mm more then the width of the wall), this should not be a problem??? Or am i over simplifying matters????

    Could i not put more stone heavier and bigger at the bottom to create a flat bed on which to put foundations?

    any ideas and help would be much appreciated?

    cheers for your responses!!!

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    I really don't know, I'm afraid. It's a question for an engineer but earth walls weigh a ton so it's definitely something to think about. And it's definitely something you don't want to get wrong.

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    Does anyone know or can clarify how i would be able to build on a rice field with infill using a heavy building material?
    Would something like rubber tyres packed with earth work as well as heavier rock and coarse aggregate, or is something more substantial needed?

    I am thinking of building a perimeter wall of stone plinth and cob so as to practice for workers and to test the conditions. In this i was thinking of laying small foundations to support the wall from this i hope to gather more understanding of what will be possible!!!

    However, alternatively does anyone know of engineers in chiangmai?

    cheers for the informative posts so far.............mucho appreciated!

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