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    For a borehole submersible pump, is there any reason it would not work with dropping it down the 6" bore with a flexable discharge hose rather than a ridgid PVC pipe. Reason being that i want it there temporay during the construction of the perimeter wall and then remove and store it until we start the house construction. Basically just pull it out and roll it up - Hose, cable and support wire and drop it back in when needed. Of course you would want to cover the bore hole while its installed and when its not installed.

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    no reason at all if your hose is of sufficient diameter.

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    One slight problem
    The pump+x metres of cable+x metres of pipe will be heavy

    How are you going to grab hold of it .
    Btw the drop pipe is usually galvanised pipe not PVC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteshiva
    Originally Posted by Bung I used divining sticks at my place, it works! Found a spot where two underground streams converged, got water at 25m. Pardon my scepsism, but how exactly do you know that "two undergroud streams converged"? I would think in a tropical climate like Thailand, you would find water pretty much anywhere you drilled.
    Obviously I didn't know that two streams were under there but I walked a grid and found one line where the diving sticks moved every time I crossed it and another going at 90 deg to the first so I drilled where the converged.

    I have no idea what exactly is under there but there were definately two "lines".

    Don't worry, I was very sceptical at first until a mate walked over a hose with water running through it on my concrete driveway. Try it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thetyim
    One slight problem The pump+x metres of cable+x metres of pipe will be heavy How are you going to grab hold of it . Btw the drop pipe is usually galvanised pipe not PVC
    All true, but if the cable will support the weight and a way to wind it up then it is possible to do it.
    and still not as heavy as a turbine pump with the drive shaft and we use them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bung View Post
    Obviously I didn't know that two streams were under there but I walked a grid and found one line where the diving sticks moved every time I crossed it and another going at 90 deg to the first so I drilled where the converged.
    And you found water! But who knows - you may have found water if you had drilled somewhere else, too.
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    I have no idea what exactly is under there but there were definately two "lines".
    I strongly suspect that those two lines only exist in your imagination.
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    Don't worry, I was very sceptical at first until a mate walked over a hose with water running through it on my concrete driveway.
    If he walked over a running water hose, he naturally expected the sticks to "mark", and so uncounciously made the sticks move.

    from Wikipedia:

    More recently, a study[10] was undertaken in Kassel, Germany, under the direction of the Gesellschaft zur Wissenschaftlichen Untersuchung von Parawissenschaften (GWUP) [Society for the Scientific Investigation of the Parasciences]. The three-day test of some 30 dowsers involved plastic pipes through which a large flow of water could be controlled and directed. The pipes were buried 50 centimeters under a level field. On the surface, the position of each pipe was marked with a colored stripe, so all the dowsers had to do was tell whether there was water running through the pipe. All the dowsers signed a statement agreeing this was a fair test of their abilities and that they expected a 100 percent success rate. However, the results were no better than what would have been expected by chance.
    Try holding a pendulum with your eyes closed for 30 seconds and think of a merry-go-round, spinning disk, or something like that. When you open your eyes, the pendulum will be making circles. it is the same effect that takes place when people use Oiji boards (or whatever they are called) to "contact spirits".

    I am glad for you that you found water on your property, but I don't even think you were lucky - you probably have ground water everywhere on you land, and hence would have found water wherever you drilled.
    Any error in tact, fact or spelling is purely due to transmissional errors...

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    I do not believe in "Water witching" either, but had a friend who was in the business of drilling water wells in Central Oregon and over around Bend there are water wells that are up to 5000 feet deep to get water.
    My friend would guarantee you water if he drilled where and how deep his "Witch" said it was, but if you didn't hire the "Witch" you took your chances of a dry hole at $10 US a foot, and that was in 1972.

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    Growing up in Southern Missoura as a hillbilly, I saw water witches from time to time. My memory says they were right the majority of the time.

    But, hell maybe the water table was fairly close to the ground. Most wells were about 50-60 deep for the good water. Who knows?

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    Water divining works.
    A good diviner can not only find the water but tell you how deep and how big the flow is.

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    When I was a kid we used the old feet and inches Imperial measuring system.
    The water diviners could tell how deep the water was by counting the number of vertical bounces the divining wire made. Each bounce meant one foot down. I always wondered how that piece of wire knew to measure it out in feet. All modern fencing wire is set to measure it out in meters these days. In Australia at least. Could create confusion if using foreign wire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thetyim View Post
    Water divining works.
    A good diviner can not only find the water but tell you how deep and how big the flow is.
    Apparently not if it is in burried plastic pipes - see above.

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    I think deep well drilling was banned on Samui. Worried about water tables from all those swish developments digging deeper. Then when the monsoons came, oops, several hillside villas slid down and the beachside villages were all flooded. Greedy people and very poor planning all around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteshiva
    Apparently not if it is in burried plastic pipes - see above.
    Well a diviner who tells you to drill down to a sewer for your supply wouldn't be much use

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    Shallow wells are usually last years rainwater sitting on top of clay or sandstone and flowing slowly down hill or forming swamps or underground lakes. Not your underground stream flowing through a tunnel as some people imagine, but rather just a lot of soggy dirt.

    Deep bores usually go down to bedrock and tap into the water that has run along the impermeable bedrock pushed up in hills or mountains, sometimes thousands of miles away. Since the pressures are great down deep this deep water often flows very slowly, -- maybe only a meter a year. Consequently, the water you get from a deep bore down to the bedrock water table could be hundreds of thousands of years since it fell as rain up on a some far off mountain range. If the deep water flowing over bedrock gets trapped between the bedrock and an overlaying layer of younger sandstone the pressure of the water pushing down from behind it can force it to the surface at the site of the bore like a fountain. Sometimes it even comes out as hot water because of the hot rocks down deep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thetyim View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteshiva
    Apparently not if it is in burried plastic pipes - see above.
    Well a diviner who tells you to drill down to a sewer for your supply wouldn't be much use
    They now have special types of fencing wire that can used for divining which can differentiate between sewage and drinking water. It spins around once and comes back for a sewage pipe and goes around three times for drinking water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteshiva
    Quote: Originally Posted by Bung Obviously I didn't know that two streams were under there but I walked a grid and found one line where the diving sticks moved every time I crossed it and another going at 90 deg to the first so I drilled where the converged. And you found water! But who knows - you may have found water if you had drilled somewhere else, too. Quote: Originally Posted by Bung I have no idea what exactly is under there but there were definately two "lines". I strongly suspect that those two lines only exist in your imagination. Quote: Originally Posted by Bung Don't worry, I was very sceptical at first until a mate walked over a hose with water running through it on my concrete driveway. If he walked over a running water hose, he naturally expected the sticks to "mark", and so uncounciously made the sticks move. from Wikipedia: Quote: More recently, a study[10] was undertaken in Kassel, Germany, under the direction of the Gesellschaft zur Wissenschaftlichen Untersuchung von Parawissenschaften (GWUP) [Society for the Scientific Investigation of the Parasciences]. The three-day test of some 30 dowsers involved plastic pipes through which a large flow of water could be controlled and directed. The pipes were buried 50 centimeters under a level field. On the surface, the position of each pipe was marked with a colored stripe, so all the dowsers had to do was tell whether there was water running through the pipe. All the dowsers signed a statement agreeing this was a fair test of their abilities and that they expected a 100 percent success rate. However, the results were no better than what would have been expected by chance. Try holding a pendulum with your eyes closed for 30 seconds and think of a merry-go-round, spinning disk, or something like that. When you open your eyes, the pendulum will be making circles. it is the same effect that takes place when people use Oiji boards (or whatever they are called) to "contact spirits". I am glad for you that you found water on your property, but I don't even think you were lucky - you probably have ground water everywhere on you land, and hence would have found water wherever you drilled.
    Well, the first thing the well driller did when he came to my place was to....get out his water divining sticks! I showed him what I did and he was happy to drill where I thought.

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    Good post Panda, the only thing I disagree with is this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Panda View Post
    Since the pressures are great down deep this deep water often flows very slowly, -- maybe only a meter a year.
    Actually, the water pressure does not affect the flow of water. Pressure differential (due to hydrostatic head or, in the case of reservoirs, overlying rock) and permability does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteshiva
    Apparently not if it is in burried plastic pipes - see above.
    Well a diviner who tells you to drill down to a sewer for your supply wouldn't be much use
    They now have special types of fencing wire that can used for divining which can differentiate between sewage and drinking water. It spins around once and comes back for a sewage pipe and goes around three times for drinking water.
    Can it give you a print-out of mineral content as well?

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    Divining sticks are old technology from the last century. No wonder he was in awe of your skill with the new improved fencing wire method.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteshiva View Post
    Good post Panda, the only thing I disagree with is this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Panda View Post
    Since the pressures are great down deep this deep water often flows very slowly, -- maybe only a meter a year.
    Actually, the water pressure does not affect the flow of water. Pressure differential (due to hydrostatic head or, in the case of reservoirs, overlying rock) and permability does.
    Don't want to get too technical here or I will be way out of my depth since I am not a hydrological scientist.

    But the point I was making is that deep bores often provide water that last saw the light of day when it fell on a far away mountain thousands or even hundreds of thousands of years ago. No DDT dissolved in it either and no bacteria. But it can pick up dissolved minerals along the way. They had a big problem in Bangladesh with the people getting poisoned from arsenic when they put down wells and bores to provide clean drinking water. Killed and made a lot of people very sick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteshiva View Post

    Can it give you a print-out of mineral content as well?
    Only if you have the new fencing wire with a USB port. Only available in USA at the moment I believe.

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    Marmite has got a diving rod made from two straws, one red and one white, twisted together.
    He holds them in front, closes his eyes, and walks down the street.
    When his body starts to twitch and his mouth dribbles, you are 5 metres from a pub.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda View Post
    But the point I was making is that deep bores often provide water that last saw the light of day when it fell on a far away mountain thousands or even hundreds of thousands of years ago. No DDT dissolved in it either and no bacteria. But it can pick up dissolved minerals along the way. They had a big problem in Bangladesh with the people getting poisoned from arsenic when they put down wells and bores to provide clean drinking water. Killed and made a lot of people very sick.
    Like this, you mean?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Thetyim View Post
    Marmite has got a diving rod made from two straws, one red and one white, twisted together.
    He holds them in front, closes his eyes, and walks down the street.
    When his body starts to twitch and his mouth dribbles, you are 5 metres from a pub.
    I have seen that one work myself!
    But you need to stick the straws up your nose to be effective.

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    The guys that dug mine were very intent on the stuff coming out of the hole and were happy when they saw sand. Then they went another 8m. It's been fine but if we don't use it for a few days it sometimes gets murky. Don't know what that is all about any ideas?

    I did a pictorial thread a while back on mine.

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