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    Wall Hangings

    11 July 08,

    The new house being built has Q/Super block as the primary component for the walls and those walls have been rendered with a thin coating of smooth cement.

    In planning ahead for the inevatable desire to hang pictures and things on the wall, it there preferred method for putting the hanging bracket on the wall for which the picture will hang?

    With this method, are there expectations that the thin coat of cement will crack or chip?

    If small narrow wall hanging nail is used for the wall bracket, can the hole be easily enough rendered and repaired and then repainted in the event the placement of the hanger needs to be moved?

    Any viable recommendations, solutions, options, and considerations are appreciated?
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    drill a hole, put a plastic plug in, use a screw to hang anything

    easily removed and filled smooth to hide later if you want to move it

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy View Post
    drill a hole, put a plastic plug in, use a screw to hang anything

    easily removed and filled smooth to hide later if you want to move it
    i agree rawlplugs is the rigth thing they come in diferent sizes depending on the load easy to fix if u want a change

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    when drilling your hole start the drill off without the hammer action till you get through to the block
    filling in holes is as easy as buttering toast, some fillers shrink when they dry, if that happens do a couple of coats and sand down before painting

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    ^^agree

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    yes, and wash your hands afterwards

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    Yeah Sea from the reading about QCon and other blocks like them it would seem that the most standard wall anchor systems will be Ok the only caution I can see is already mentioned. The blocks are rather soft so no Hammer drill is necesary only a standard drill and masonry bits. I believe the caution is to not allow the bit to wobble as you drill. If the drill has bad bearings for the chuck and it wobbles or the bit is bent in any way the hole being drilled will be out of round and eleongated and in these blocks the anchor may not set correctly. Should be no big deal in most cases.

    I remember the cabinet guys are using a wood plug in the holes drilled and screwing into that. Its a cheap expansion anchor but must work.

    I would say the bigger worry is to be sure the wall and spot you intend to drill and anchor is free of any PVC electric pipe and wires! From what I have seen if there is a wall socket or switch anywhere near the place you intend to drill I would be careful as the Sparky runs the conduit in some pretty weird places and directions,,,,,not always straight in vertical and horizontal directions,,,in some houses I have seen a conduit come down the wall and make a sweeping left or right turn to get where they want the end to be.
    Last edited by HINO; 12-07-2008 at 11:18 AM.


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    Sea, I can lend you a small power/metal detector to trace the hidden stuff (if my shipment arrives).

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    12 July 2008

    Thanks all for your confirmatory responses. They pretty much validate the approach that I thought should be taken. I'll plan on proceeding by assessing and selecting the location where I want to hang somethng that is free from electrical conduit, drilling as small a hole as needed to accmmodate the appropriate plug for the appropriate weight to be held, make sure that the drill has good bearings, that a masonary bit is used, that the chuck is holding the bit securely and that the bit is inserted straight, that when drilling the drill is held steady so as not to create any wobble, insert the plug, and hang the wall hanging. Sounds like the only things I need to do then is offer some merit in hopes that the wifey does not want to relocate any of the hangings thereby creating additional work for me to as the holes already drilled would then have to be rendered...

    Appreciate all the inputs. Thanks! Ciao!

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    I'd say once you drill and place anchors that the area will be used for quite a while and even if you move the item something most likely will replace it in the same area so the hole can remain behind the new item. Then if Mrs decides to move stuff back the way it was the original anchor is still there and can be used again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HINO View Post
    I'd say once you drill and place anchors that the area will be used for quite a while and even if you move the item something most likely will replace it in the same area so the hole can remain behind the new item. Then if Mrs decides to move stuff back the way it was the original anchor is still there and can be used again.
    Been there done that Khun Hino. Maybe if I wait long enough to hanf the pictures and other wall hangings up, she'll forget about it and I won't have to hang them at all. No, I doubt it. But I will agree that there would be no sense in considering the movement of a plug and rerendering it as there will surely be multiple follow on movements and possibly end up back to the way it was originally.

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    If you like holes in the wall, you could drill about 500 all round, then you could change your pictures every day

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiamCutie View Post
    If you like holes in the wall, you could drill about 500 all round, then you could change your pictures every day
    thanks Siam but I not all the fond of either holes in the wall nor changes. I'll do what I have to do and live with it. I think I'll stick to my original plan but thanks all the same...

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    Wall Hangings---

    Just an added thought....................Preparation is very,very important when doing this technical job of hanging pictures on cement walls.


    Before you do anything involving electrical tools, make sure that you have put at least 3 and preferably 4 beers in the frig, prior to starting any job like this. The number of beers should be a ratio of 1 beer for every 4 pictures you want to hang. Next, plan the job for a time when your wife or girlfriend will be gone, otherwise you should plan on twice the amount of time it would normally take to do this technical work!

    If you hang more than 12 pictures in one day, do not be surprised if some of them look as if the foundation on your home has settled 5 or 6 inches, causing the pictures to hang at a slight angle. Sometimes jobs like require a friend to help hold the screws or inserting the plastic plug. If you decide to have a friend help, make sure that she is tall enough to hold the ladder and not a close friend your wife. (She will brag about the help she gave you hanging the pictures)

    Lastly, if you run into any problems of any kind, there is a great website, www.diy.com. Good luck and keep the drill away from your wife.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KhonKaenDan View Post
    Just an added thought....................Preparation is very,very important when doing this technical job of hanging pictures on cement walls.


    Before you do anything involving electrical tools, make sure that you have put at least 3 and preferably 4 beers in the frig, prior to starting any job like this. The number of beers should be a ratio of 1 beer for every 4 pictures you want to hang. Next, plan the job for a time when your wife or girlfriend will be gone, otherwise you should plan on twice the amount of time it would normally take to do this technical work!

    If you hang more than 12 pictures in one day, do not be surprised if some of them look as if the foundation on your home has settled 5 or 6 inches, causing the pictures to hang at a slight angle. Sometimes jobs like require a friend to help hold the screws or inserting the plastic plug. If you decide to have a friend help, make sure that she is tall enough to hold the ladder and not a close friend your wife. (She will brag about the help she gave you hanging the pictures)

    Lastly, if you run into any problems of any kind, there is a great website, B&Q Online: From Kitchens & Bathrooms to Sheds & Paving; plus planning tools. Good luck and keep the drill away from your wife.




    Thanks Khun Dan. I like the fact that this general advisement can be applied to multiple jobs that needs to be accomplished around the house. Ciao!

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    One solution is to use a wooden border around the top of the walls. Then, using clear fishing line, suspend the pictures from the wooden border.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ataloss
    One solution is to use a wooden border around the top of the walls.
    Them be called picture rails.

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    ^Dado rails?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spin
    Dado rails?
    Nope. A dado doesn't have the right profile for the picture hook.

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    ^ oh, no wonder they're extinct then

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    Bought some 3M plastic picture hangers of various sizes that are rated to hold weight up to 1/2 and 1 pounds respectively. They have an adhesive strip on the back and applied and taken off properly are said not to cause any damage at all. Not even any paint pealing off. Important thing is to clean the area where the hanger strip is to be applied with ethyl alcohol before applying adhesive strip. The smaller ones seem to work well on pictures in the office. The larger hangers that are rated to hold 1 pound did not seem to adhear to the wall all that well. Could have been operator error as I used KhonKaenDan's recommendation about the liquid refreshment during the process. No doubt I'll be drilling a few holes but they will be limited not due to the fact that the 3M plactics adhesive strips seem to be working well. It's been 3 days now and nothing has fallen down... Hooooa! BTW, the 3M plastic hangers with adhesive strips can be purchased locally at any of the hardware stores.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spin View Post
    ^Dado rails?
    Thought it was dildo rails??

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    Quote Originally Posted by SEA Traveler
    It's been 3 days now and nothing has fallen down... Hooooa!
    I have used the 3M sticky's in the past.

    Good news.

    About 2 or 3 months down the road, the loud crash you hear in the middle of the night will not be a ghost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SEA Traveler
    It's been 3 days now and nothing has fallen down... Hooooa!
    I have used the 3M sticky's in the past.

    Good news.

    About 2 or 3 months down the road, the loud crash you hear in the middle of the night will not be a ghost.
    I've already got my shoes on to borrow a friends drill. I'd rather contend with the local spirits than broken glass on the tile floors in the house.

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    [quote=HINO;687659]Yeah Sea from the reading about QCon and other blocks like them it would seem that the most standard wall anchor systems will be Ok the only caution I can see is already mentioned. The blocks are rather soft so no Hammer drill is necesary only a standard drill and masonry bits. I believe the caution is to not allow the bit to wobble as you drill. If the drill has bad bearings for the chuck and it wobbles or the bit is bent in any way the hole being drilled will be out of round and eleongated and in these blocks the anchor may not set correctly. Should be no big deal in most cases.

    well i never. lol. do u wear a ten gallon hat to work.

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