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    Cost of Q-Con (Superblock)

    Can anyone give me a ball park figure for the cost of Q-Con (Superblock)

    Price per square meter

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    Price per block and the dimensions of the blocks

    ?

    Ta!

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    20 by 60 cms 19baht, now it is just as cheap to build with Q Con as it is with cheap Thai red bricks.

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    Unless the price has come down a lot that must be for blocks of 7.5cm thickness. They are also available up to 20cm thick and I think I paid about 41B a block for those a year ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post
    20 by 60 cms 19baht, now it is just as cheap to build with Q Con as it is with cheap Thai red bricks.
    Well, I'm one of the main suppliers to Qcon and if the increase of prices of the product I supply is any indication, expect the cost of the blocks to go up sharply.
    Same for Superblock.
    Besides they still use asbestos to reduce their costs, you get it very cheap these days since the rest of the world thinks you can die from it...
    Expect that to change also...
    Discussion is an exchange of knowledge, argument is an exchange of ignorance

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    What's this you are telling us Blue Cat - There is Asbestos in Q-Con?

    Is that correct? Do you have proof of this?

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    Ask them, it is not illegal in Thailand.

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    Besides they still use asbestos to reduce their costs, you get it very cheap these days since the rest of the world thinks you can die from it...
    Expect that to change also...
    Is this for real? The block makers really use the asbestos? Expect a change? When? I hope last week!!


    They really use asbestos?

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    no, they don't

    Q-CON aerated concrete :

    Q-CON AAC consists of the same raw materials as natural stone but has these significant advantages:
    Q-CON AAC is made of quartz sand, lime, cement and water - raw materials that are readily naturally available

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy View Post
    no, they don't

    Q-CON aerated concrete :

    Q-CON AAC consists of the same raw materials as natural stone but has these significant advantages:
    Q-CON AAC is made of quartz sand, lime, cement and water - raw materials that are readily naturally available
    Just because they're not saying so on their site, doesn't mean they're not using it. When I started the thread about synthetic roofing, most ppl said it didn't contain asbestos also.

    Once laid and rendered, they wouldn't pose a threat, but I wouldn't want to be the one cutting them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy View Post
    no, they don't

    Q-CON aerated concrete :

    Q-CON AAC consists of the same raw materials as natural stone but has these significant advantages:
    Q-CON AAC is made of quartz sand, lime, cement and water - raw materials that are readily naturally available

    Yeah I read their entire web site and I would not expect that they would advertise a known cancer causing substance as one of the ingredients of the product.

    Interesting to say the least------>>>

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    We have a statement from someone who claims to supply the manufacturers of Q-Con that Q-Con Blocks contain Asbestos.

    We have a second statement from someone who has been through the Q-Con website that states the Consituants of Q-Blocs are....... a list not including Asbestos.

    We have the makings of a conspiracy from someone who staes 'Just because they say they haven't included Asbestos doesn't mean they haven't included Asbestos'.

    I think its about time Blue Cat came up with goods on this.

    Where is the evidence?

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    There are 3 suppliers of blocks I know and supply, Siam Fiber, Qcon and Superblock.

    The first one is more expensive because they do not use asbestos, the 2 others are cheaper because they do. So they say.

    Maybe everybody lies, who indeed in its right mind would use asbestos these days?

    Have you been living in Thailand for long?

    Anyway, they are my customers and if you want to find out more, do not count on me to help.

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    Have you been living in Thailand for long?
    12 years long enough

    Anyway, they are my customers and if you want to find out more, do not count on me to help.
    I've written to Q-Con - I pre-empted your comment regarding not being of any help.

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    Right.
    I built a new house recently and well, I used normal bricks.
    More expensive?
    Maybe...

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    In CMai at TOR, a Building Supplies Giant in HangDong the costs as of 080711 [080109] are:
    20 X 60 X 7.5 = 21B
    20 X 60 X 10.0 = 30[21]B
    20 X 60 X 12.5 = 40[33]B
    20 X 60 X 15.0 = 52B
    20 X 60 X 20.0 = 65B
    QCON ADHESIVE MORTAR 50kg = 225B
    QCON RENDERING MORTAR 50kg = 118B

    Let's see more costs from other areas, OK?

    It's disturbing to hear the possibility that QCON contains asbestos, a known deadly carcinogen.

    This product is made under license from a German Company, t heir brochure has the 'ISO 9001 : 2000' logo (but then again it seems so does the local corner laundry here in the LOS).[ : : Q-CON : : . and qcon[at]qcon.co.th ]. Possibly someone from the German Embassy's Economic division should investigate, as nothing less than German excellence in the technical sphere is at stake.

    About to complete the roofing on my home with CPAC Monier tiles, I had decided to use QCon for the walls. Many of the recent Government building sites use QCon extensively, as did a gourmet French restaurant 2 years ago.
    Hmmm.... Better that I am aware of this asbestos probability now. I'll have to search alternatives, but this is not looking favourable. My cost comparison with the largest solid fire-baked clay brick [ 20B for a 33x15.5x7 cm brick ] showed that QCON was substantially less in price as fols: 810 QCON blocks at B52,650 VS 4042 Clay bricks at B80,840. That's for the blocks/bricks alone. The thin amount of QCON adhesive used is substantially less than the thick mortar used to join bricks, thus another savings in material and labour when using QCON. This is one contribution to the cost question introduced initially.
    Hopefully someone knowledgeable will soon confirm there's no asbestos in these QBLOCKs. Thank you, the Teakdoor contributors, for keeping us all informed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluecat View Post
    Ask them, it is not illegal in Thailand.

    Apparently not in the US either:

    United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) issued the Asbestos Ban and Phase Out Rule which was subsequently overturned in the case of Corrosion Proof Fittings v. U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, 1991. This ruling leaves many consumer products that can still legally contain trace amounts of asbestos. For a clarification of products which legally contain asbestos read the EPA's clarification statement.[46] The EPA has proposed a concentration limit of 7 million fibers per liter of drinking water for long fibers (lengths greater than or equal to 5 m). The OSHA, (Occupational Safety and Health Administration) has set limits of 100,000 fibers with lengths greater than or equal to 5 m per cubic meter of workplace air for 8-hour shifts and 40-hour work weeks.[47]


    Not surprising.

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    Looks like she just had a thumb popped up her arse lol

    Anyone in Udon / Khon Kaen area know of a supplier and costs in this region?

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    I think it is only Blue asbestos that is dangerous, but don't take my word for it, your all probably going to die a slow painfull death whilst living in your eco friendly mansions

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    Are these blocks better insulators than brick do they make a major difference ?

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    Yes they do and are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post
    your all probably going to die a slow painfull death whilst living in your eco friendly mansions
    Anyway, except if you work for Qcon or Superblock, the amount of asbestos in the blocks is indeed going to kill you very slowly.
    I think...

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    agree..yes they do and are....

    If it is true and I doubt being german excellence an all....I would take a holiday and not go near the site when they are putting up the blocks as they cut them with a saw alone.

    Also if it the blue asbestos, the blocks are white so should be ok.......but I think bluecat has the problem already, thats what you get for sneaking off to third world countries to sell leftover stock from first world countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HINO View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy View Post
    no, they don't

    Q-CON aerated concrete :

    Q-CON AAC consists of the same raw materials as natural stone but has these significant advantages:
    Q-CON AAC is made of quartz sand, lime, cement and water - raw materials that are readily naturally available

    Yeah I read their entire web site and I would not expect that they would advertise a known cancer causing substance as one of the ingredients of the product.


    Interesting to say the least->>>

    bloody hell, just because they do not mention asbestos means they use it!!

    why would they use it, there is no reason to, it would add nothing to the block

    if you read the blurb, the block is mainly aerated concrete, which gives it the properties that make it useful
    I have reported your post

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    So why would blueballs start such a viscious rumour that could ruin a company, send them broke with law suits for years and then his comapny falls over as a subsequence of them tracing his IP address for starting such inyourendo and he goes postal and ends up in a thai prison for the rest of his life ???

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    PLAY THE FANFARE BOYS AND GIRLS IT'S AWARD TIME

    Like I said, I wrote to Q-Con regarding 'Bluecat's' accusation that Q-Con contains Asbestos.

    I received a response from Kitti soonthornmanokul VP Sales and Marketing Division



    Khun Kitti responded with an outright denial of the accusation - catogorically stating that there is no Asbestos used in any Q-Con products.

    I then mentioned this to one of our Civil Engineers - He responded that Q-Con is registered as a safe product within our library of materials - He pulled the COSHH Certificate for Q-Con and lo and behold NO ASBESTOS.

    So Ladies and Gentlemen - Please be upstanding while BlueCat receives the Bull Shitter of the Week Award.

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