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    So why would blueballs start such a viscious rumour that could ruin a company, send them broke with law suits for years and then his comapny falls over as a subsequence of them tracing his IP address for starting such inyourendo and he goes postal and ends up in a thai prison for the rest of his life ???
    Because he feels the need to Bullshit.... see above.

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    Excellent, thanks for taking the time to look into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluecat View Post
    There are 3 suppliers of blocks I know and supply, Siam Fiber, Qcon and Superblock.

    The first one is more expensive because they do not use asbestos, the 2 others are cheaper because they do. So they say.

    Maybe everybody lies, who indeed in its right mind would use asbestos these days?

    Have you been living in Thailand for long?

    Anyway, they are my customers and if you want to find out more, do not count on me to help.

    seems so, but why would you?

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    Indeed, why would I?
    I am very happy to know that what seems to be public knowledge for quite a few Thais working in this business is a lie.
    Sorry I even mentioned it.

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    Lets send a sample to the lab for testing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluecat View Post
    Indeed, why would I?
    I am very happy to know that what seems to be public knowledge for quite a few Thais working in this business is a lie.
    Sorry I even mentioned it.

    It is possibly a misconception; there would be no point in putting asbestos into the QCon blocks. Asbestos is known to be used in some cement based products, like ceiling boards, roofing materials etc. and also brake and clutch components, as well as fire-proofing boards

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    What Are Asbestos-Containing Products?

    What is common to many asbestos-containing products is that they were (are) used to contain heat (i.e. thermal insulation.) This was the main reason for their use. It is impossible to list all of the products that have, at one time or another, contained asbestos. One of the most common products asbestos is found in, is in the insulation material found on heating pipes and ducts of homes built before 1960.

    Some of the other common asbestos-containing products are insulating cement, insulating block, asbestos cloth, gaskets, packing materials, thermal seals, refractory and boiler insulation materials, transite board, asbestos cement pipe, fireproofing spray, joint compound, vinyl floor tile, ceiling tile, mastics, adhesives, coatings, acoustical textures, duct & pipe insulation for heating, ventilation and air conditioning (HVAC) systems, roofing products, insulated electrical wire and panels, and brake and clutch assemblies.



    Whatever they mean by insulating block...

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    Regardless, the blocks do a great job and they are encased in glue and then usually anything from a centimetre to more of render.

    So well and truly sealed in.

    Any drilling into the wall in future, just where a mask and make sure the hole is sealed again and all the mess sucked up.

    More of a worry is the ceiling boards where dust and shit frequently wafts into living areas if you use that type of ceiling board.

    Also more worrying is for the workers that would have no idea about it and inhale the sawdust daily on job sites about los.

    Bluecat, if you know anything, why not say it and stop fucking about with half arsed inyourendos. Be a man, stand up and make a stand. Take your blue balls in your hand and say I am gunna do something about this.

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    Don't worry Nawty, BlueCat is talking out of his Shitter.

    I've contacted the supplier, I've spoken with a professional civil engineer who uses this product and I've seen the evidence of the COSHH certificate for Q-Con.

    The best BlueCat can come up with is 'His claim that lots of Thai people know that Q-Con contains Asbestos' and a 'Quote' (if it is a quote) referencing 'Insulating Blocks' - With NO REFERENCE TO Q-CON.

    Mind, BlueCat has told us that he supplies 'stuff' to various manufactures of these Theromoblock type products in Thailand - Perhaps he's not supplying Q-Con and needs to drum up business elsewhere.

    Oh and incase you missed it..... BlueCat gave us the name of a more expensive Thermoblock that he tells us does not use Asbestos.... but hang on... didn't that quote of his refer to 'Insulating Blocks' containing Asbestos?!

    Are we to believe this refers Q-Con, but not to BlueCat's preferred Blocks?

    Nah... I smell ...Cat Shit.

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    Wink Preposterous Claims

    Quote Originally Posted by Itchy View Post
    PLAY THE FANFARE BOYS AND GIRLS IT'S AWARD TIME

    Like I said, I wrote to Q-Con regarding 'Bluecat's' accusation that Q-Con contains Asbestos.

    I received a response from Kitti soonthornmanokul VP Sales and Marketing Division



    Khun Kitti responded with an outright denial of the accusation - catogorically stating that there is no Asbestos used in any Q-Con products.

    I then mentioned this to one of our Civil Engineers - He responded that Q-Con is registered as a safe product within our library of materials - He pulled the COSHH Certificate for Q-Con and lo and behold NO ASBESTOS.

    So Ladies and Gentlemen - Please be upstanding while BlueCat receives the Bull Shitter of the Week Award.
    Many thanks Khun Itchy for going the extra mile and getting some straight info on this.

    I for one feel a lot better now

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    Newbie first post

    I priced Q-Con And Superblock in Roi-et six weeks ago.
    The best price was 18.5 baht per block. They where 600mm x 200mm X 65mm? or 75mm
    I am impressed with this product. Great thermal insulation. Easy to lay. Great price. Both sides of the brick get rendered so asbestos should not be a problem. Wet the bricks down and wear a respirator whilst building.
    The best price was from Home Shop. Followed closely by Global house. There is a Global House outlet in Kohn Kaen. (Its very close to the airport.)
    The quality of bricklayers in Northern Roi -et is not great. I would consider doing the bricklaying my self.
    Regards

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    If you read the Q-Con web site regarding installation process. They recommend storing the block where they will not get wet before laying.

    I know nothing about brick laying so the thought of wetting these blocks prior to laying? Is this a good idea?

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    Yes it is, it is actually required to help stop the render drying out to quick and cracking...at least I think that is why...makes sense, the dry walls suck out all the moisture from the render, so wetting them stops this and allows a slower curing of the render.

    I think the keeping dry rule is for the glue process, remember 2 steps, glue and then render.

    Also by wetting I do not mean letting the hose loose on the walls, they usually use a small grass broom, dip it in water bucket and spray the wall with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nawty View Post
    Yes it is, it is actually required to help stop the render drying out to quick and cracking...at least I think that is why...makes sense, the dry walls suck out all the moisture from the render, so wetting them stops this and allows a slower curing of the render.

    I think the keeping dry rule is for the glue process, remember 2 steps, glue and then render.

    Also by wetting I do not mean letting the hose loose on the walls, they usually use a small grass broom, dip it in water bucket and spray the wall with it.
    NawtyOk I can understand wetting prior to the rendering application. I guess from the comment about wetting he was suggesting soaking
    Wet the bricks down and wear a respirator whilst building.
    the blocks prior to any cutting during the gluing steps.

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    Super Blocks

    Do they overlap them like normal bricks when a wall is built?

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    Quote Originally Posted by maily View Post
    Do they overlap them like normal bricks when a wall is built?
    Khun Maily, the short and sweet answer to your question is "yes, the bloxcks get overlapped". See the blocks above the floor in the below picture as to how it is properly done. Be advised that there is also a special morter used when setting/securing the blocks and a special plaster used when doing the rendering of the wall surface on the blocks.


    "Don't Sweat the Small Stuff....and it is all small stuff"

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    Thanks SEATRAVELER for your info

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    All block work or brick work is overlaped, if it isn't it causes weak points where you will get cracks etc.

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    I have a situaton where there are doors alongside some of the concrete columns, I wanted to put 200mm square blocks straight up to support the lintel, instead of 200mm then 2 x 100mm. From what you all are saying, this is no good. Thanks for your help.

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    Around the door frame you will get cracks anyway, wood and cement don't stick together well, if you look at the surrounds of any Thai door frame you will see an indentation around it, this is to cause the weak point and make it crack there so it is not noticeable.

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    You right Dirtydog, I have seen this, thanks

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    Thumbs up

    Thank you K.Itchy for taking this burden from us. Well done. I am now very much releived and anxious to order my QCon. Best Regards,

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    yes, I will order my QCon as soon as I need it

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    Question

    Been looking for QCon in Chiangmai to quantify prices. Checked out GlobalHouse which sells only the one size: 20 X 60 X 7.5 = 21.50B which is 50 satang more expensive than the quoted TOR price. Global also sold Superblok, again only one size. Superblok is a large 'leggo' -like block with 4 indentations on the bottom fitting into 4 small humps on another; the ends are indented in a 'V'-shape so I expect to join them one would have to use a lot of regular mortar, and not the 'glue-like' Q-con mortar which is more suited to smooth flush sides. I prefer QCon. Been searching but am unable to find other sales outlets other than Global and Tor.
    Does anyone know where else in CMai, QBlok is sold? Regards....

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    Sueprblock

    They are not only faster use but good heat sound and fire protection
    I chose 20x20x60cm blocks at 67 baht each
    They deliver free in BKK and near Singburi plant
    elsewhere per lorryload
    Free training for your builder and excellent info in Thai and English as with Hebel used in Oz and Europe
    I read the specs visited Asoke Ocean Towers 11 head office and visited the factory twice and saw no evidence of blue asbestos and it is not on the listed ingredients.
    see www.superblock.com
    I cannot speak too highly of the product first cool home I have had in the tropics

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