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    Building my Thailand swimming pool

    I'm having a house and pool build in Rayong. Groundbreaking is not until mid Jan '08 so time to make necessary adjustments. As it relates to the pool and pool components, if I provide the list of pool items the contractor has indicated will be used and were included in price quote, would someone in the know kindly provide advisement and a thums up or down on quality and reliability of the pool components? Understand that his pool will be fully functional and used daily... Some pool details: 6x9 meters, ceramic tiles, overflow system, 1.5 to 2.5 meter depth:
    -----SWIMMING POOL SYSTEM (อุปกรณ์ระบบสระว่ายน้ำ)
    - Emaux Sand Filter 32"
    - Emaux Multiport Valve 1.5"
    - Filtering Sand (50 kgs./pack)
    - Emaux Water Pump & Motor 3 HP.
    - Emaux Underwater Light 100W. 12V.
    - Transformer 100W. 12V.
    - Junction Block 100W. 12V.
    - Water Inlet Fitting & Plug
    - Vacuum Head & Fitting
    - Maindrain 7 3/4"
    - Gutter around the pool with ABS grating
    - Vacuum Head & Brush
    - Vacuum Hose
    - Leaf Skimmer Flat
    - Telescopic Pole
    - Pool Test Kit
    ---INSTALLATION
    - ตู้สวิทคอนโทรลควบคุมปั๊มน้ำ
    - PROGRAM TIMER SWITCH
    - ระบบไฟฟ้าจากจุดไฟข้างสระถึงห้องเครื่อง
    - ท่อดูดตะกอนใช้ท่อ PVC 13.5
    - ท่อสะดือใช้ท่อ PVC 13.5
    - ท่อจ่ายน้ำใช้ท่อ PVC 13.5
    - วาวล์ใช้บอลวาวล์ PVC

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    Mine probably won't be the popular answer cause it's way to honest but you did inquire and while I'm not interested in getting into a pissing contest with the king of swimming pool construction on here.. All I'll say is that most of what I see listed in terms of equipment is low quality, better than some but still well below some others. Chinese copies which will cause you a ton of trouble.

    I don't know what experience others here have with actually disassembling and repairing any of their equipment but I have repaired numerous pumps, motors, filters, salt chlorinators and more lights in 4 months time than I ever had to over a period of the previous 15 years. Most (not all) but most of what is offered is strictly due to profit margin and has no relation to your long term goals of reliability. If you take that into account seriously than there are alternatives, and if you PM me I will pass them on and give you an honest assessment.. But I won't post on this open forum anymore for ridicule just because others hold the power of popularity.. That is, if you ever even see this post?

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    I didn't even realise it was Chinese stuff, just checked and your right, the stuff we use in Pattaya is Aussie stuff, wouldn't recommend anything electrical from China, and definitely not pumps, your pump needs to turn over the whole swimming pool everyday, need something a bit more reliable than Chinese stuff for that.

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    ^Thanx, I guess I just lucked out..

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    [disclaimer] No attacking intended here just strictly information: But just like in the States on certain products don't get too caught up in the Aussie products either many of them are also Chinese manufactured and there is one in particular (name escapes me at the moment I'll post if I remember, Tornado, Cyclone? Maybe?) But it is a virtual copy of the Emaux or should I say the other way around that I'm not certain, but it is manufactured by the same company, maybe you will recognize it? They even have a similar paint scheme but one is light blue (more aqua) and the other is slightly darker colored. Internally they have only minimal variations to make them different, (read Chinese copy) but externally virtually the same. (BTW they named it Emaux so you would think it was some fancy French model and not Chinese, clever that)

    [disclaimer] No one upmanship intended here just "informing": But depending on the pools size it may even require more than once a day (in an 8-10 hour period, not 24 like so many run their pools here, should be completely unnecessary) turn over and ideally 1.5 times a day is minimally optimum, while anything over that will be a bonus but usually, likely more just a waste if your pool is properly balanced..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Driventowin View Post
    Mine probably won't be the popular answer cause it's way to honest but you did inquire and while I'm not interested in getting into a pissing contest with the king of swimming pool construction on here.. All I'll say is that most of what I see listed in terms of equipment is low quality, better than some but still well below some others. Chinese copies which will cause you a ton of trouble.

    I don't know what experience others here have with actually disassembling and repairing any of their equipment but I have repaired numerous pumps, motors, filters, salt chlorinators and more lights in 4 months time than I ever had to over a period of the previous 15 years. Most (not all) but most of what is offered is strictly due to profit margin and has no relation to your long term goals of reliability. If you take that into account seriously than there are alternatives, and if you PM me I will pass them on and give you an honest assessment.. But I won't post on this open forum anymore for ridicule just because others hold the power of popularity.. That is, if you ever even see this post?
    Thanks Driventowin. I need a few more posts before I have the authorization to PM or send e-mail your way but will do so shortly. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post
    I didn't even realise it was Chinese stuff, just checked and your right, the stuff we use in Pattaya is Aussie stuff, wouldn't recommend anything electrical from China, and definitely not pumps, your pump needs to turn over the whole swimming pool everyday, need something a bit more reliable than Chinese stuff for that.
    Thanks DD for the insight. As I have my contractor prepared to meet my equipment requests, I'd really looking to to get a recommendation based on profound knowledge of what equipment is available, will not break the bank and ensure reliability and care free use of the pool. I've gotten an advisement from hardriverxxxxxx to consider other than Emaux brand or even the prospect of an overflow pool and sand filter. I'll be sticking with the overflow pool concept but am somewhat flexible with the pump and filtering and lighting equipment. I need a few more posts before PMing or e-mailing so let me get to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Driventowin View Post
    [disclaimer] No attacking intended here just strictly information: But just like in the States on certain products don't get too caught up in the Aussie products either many of them are also Chinese manufactured and there is one in particular (name escapes me at the moment I'll post if I remember, Tornado, Cyclone? Maybe?) But it is a virtual copy of the Emaux or should I say the other way around that I'm not certain, but it is manufactured by the same company, maybe you will recognize it? They even have a similar paint scheme but one is light blue (more aqua) and the other is slightly darker colored. Internally they have only minimal variations to make them different, (read Chinese copy) but externally virtually the same. (BTW they named it Emaux so you would think it was some fancy French model and not Chinese, clever that)

    [disclaimer] No one upmanship intended here just "informing": But depending on the pools size it may even require more than once a day (in an 8-10 hour period, not 24 like so many run their pools here, should be completely unnecessary) turn over and ideally 1.5 times a day is minimally optimum, while anything over that will be a bonus but usually, likely more just a waste if your pool is properly balanced..
    Driventowin, Thanks again. Understand that Chinese manufactured equip may not be the way to go. Still need some posts to qualify for PMing so will do so when I have the req 20 posts. Based on what is available and affordable in Thai, what might be the recommended pump, filter, and lighting for a 6 x 9 overflow pool at 1.5 to 2.5 depth? Thanks.

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    Another recomendation was for a Lacoron Sand Filter (30") and a Jacuzzi Pump and Motro 1.5 HP. The 1.5 HP pump motor seems a little light to me. Any thoughts on Lacoron and Jacuzzi manufactured brands?

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    Traveler check your mail.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post
    I didn't even realise it was Chinese stuff, just checked and your right, the stuff we use in Pattaya is Aussie stuff, wouldn't recommend anything electrical from China, and definitely not pumps, your pump needs to turn over the whole swimming pool everyday, need something a bit more reliable than Chinese stuff for that.
    Emaux is supposedly ISO 9000:2001 certified which means their suppliers are providing to at least those standards. I thought that acquiring ISO certification which is quite rigorous, was a reflection on the quality of item manufactured/supplied. It sounds from your 1st hand experience that they may not be meeting that standard. Is your experience recent, say within the last 5 years?

    I remember when "made in Japan" was synonymous with junk. Progress is constantly being made by companies from previous non technical and agricultural countries who over time have industralized and with the infusion of western companies are now exporting. China is one of those countries that have made this progress. That's not to say that Emaux products are now good but does lend some validity to a country and company changing over time and making improvements in processes and quality of products.

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    Go down lotus or big C and buy anyone of the cheap Chinese power tools, they last between 5 minutes and a couple of hours at most before they either burn out or the bearings start going, these are also from supposedly ISO certified Chinese companies

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    Traveler in DD's defense it was my post that discredited the Emaux most directly. He is absolutely right I have a nice new 1/2 inch hammer drill with a chuck that has never tightened properly from day one.

    ISO 9001:2000 is also currently outdated they have new certifications since then but it in brief it really only applies to the standards of record keeping by a given company and not so much the standard of the equipment they offer..

    My experience is recent and extensive over a short period of time... Meaning many documented failures in a few months and worse yet no factory support, it is virtually unheard of with Chinese products..

    For example both Chery cars in China and Toyota have the same certification on paper, but which one would own?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Driventowin View Post
    Traveler check your mail.....
    Thanks Driven. I'll take a look, digest and come back at ya with questions. Possibly we could work out a viable and affordable option with the good ol parts.

    1 more post and I'll be PM and email legal...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SEA Traveler View Post
    I'm having a house and pool build in Rayong. Groundbreaking is not until mid Jan '08 so time to make necessary adjustments. As it relates to the pool and pool components, if I provide the list of pool items the contractor has indicated will be used and were included in price quote, would someone in the know kindly provide advisement and a thums up or down on quality and reliability of the pool components? Understand that his pool will be fully functional and used daily... Some pool details: 6x9 meters, ceramic tiles, overflow system, 1.5 to 2.5 meter depth:

    SWIMMING POOL SYSTEM (อุปกรณ์ระบบสระว่ายน้ำ)
    - Emaux Sand Filter 32"
    - Emaux Multiport Valve 1.5"
    - Filtering Sand (50 kgs./pack)
    - Emaux Water Pump & Motor 3 HP.
    - Emaux Underwater Light 100W. 12V.
    - Transformer 100W. 12V.
    - Junction Block 100W. 12V.
    - Water Inlet Fitting & Plug
    - Vacuum Head & Fitting
    - Maindrain 7 3/4"
    - Gutter around the pool with ABS grating
    - Vacuum Head & Brush
    - Vacuum Hose
    - Leaf Skimmer Flat
    - Telescopic Pole
    - Pool Test Kit
    ---INSTALLATION
    - ตู้สวิทคอนโทรลควบคุมปั๊มน้ำ
    - PROGRAM TIMER SWITCH
    - ระบบไฟฟ้าจากจุดไฟข้างสระถึงห้องเครื่อง
    - ท่อดูดตะกอนใช้ท่อ PVC 13.5
    - ท่อสะดือใช้ท่อ PVC 13.5
    - ท่อจ่ายน้ำใช้ท่อ PVC 13.5
    - วาวล์ใช้บอลวาวล์ PVC
    Swimming pools these days are lined with glass mosaics tiles &
    if you are looking for swimming pool equipment you should look in your back yard Thailand there are manufactures here as good as the aussie brands

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    Quote Originally Posted by SEA Traveler View Post
    I'm having a house and pool build in Rayong. Groundbreaking is not until mid Jan '08 so time to make necessary adjustments. As it relates to the pool and pool components, if I provide the list of pool items the contractor has indicated will be used and were included in price quote, would someone in the know kindly provide advisement and a thums up or down on quality and reliability of the pool components? Understand that his pool will be fully functional and used daily... Some pool details: 6x9 meters, ceramic tiles, overflow system, 1.5 to 2.5 meter depth:

    SWIMMING POOL SYSTEM (อุปกรณ์ระบบสระว่ายน้ำ)
    - Emaux Sand Filter 32"
    - Emaux Multiport Valve 1.5"
    - Filtering Sand (50 kgs./pack)
    - Emaux Water Pump & Motor 3 HP.
    - Emaux Underwater Light 100W. 12V.
    - Transformer 100W. 12V.
    - Junction Block 100W. 12V.
    - Water Inlet Fitting & Plug
    - Vacuum Head & Fitting
    - Maindrain 7 3/4"
    - Gutter around the pool with ABS grating
    - Vacuum Head & Brush
    - Vacuum Hose
    - Leaf Skimmer Flat
    - Telescopic Pole
    - Pool Test Kit
    ---INSTALLATION
    - ตู้สวิทคอนโทรลควบคุมปั๊มน้ำ
    - PROGRAM TIMER SWITCH
    - ระบบไฟฟ้าจากจุดไฟข้างสระถึงห้องเครื่อง
    - ท่อดูดตะกอนใช้ท่อ PVC 13.5
    - ท่อสะดือใช้ท่อ PVC 13.5
    - ท่อจ่ายน้ำใช้ท่อ PVC 13.5
    - วาวล์ใช้บอลวาวล์ PVC
    Sea Traveler If you have a 32" sand filter with 1 1/2" multi port valve you should change the multi port valve to 2" it is more suited to that size of sand filter & what persons told you that you should use a
    3 HP pool pump. A 1 1/2 HP or a 2 PH will do the same job

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    [/quote] Sea Traveler If you have a 32" sand filter with 1 1/2" multi port valve you should change the multi port valve to 2" it is more suited to that size of sand filter & what persons told you that you should use a
    3 HP pool pump. A 1 1/2 HP or a 2 PH will do the same job[/quote]

    Getting lots of welcomed advisement on the pool equipment portion of project. While some advisement on what pool equipment is recommended is conflicting from 1 advisor to the other, I consider it all. One thing I am convinced of, and that is while it is preferred to go with good quality non-Chineses manufactured Western name brand company equipment, it is just as important to go with equiment that complements the local use and maintenance practices and availability of spare parts from local venders.

    In your opinion, might the a higher HP pump be required since a small spa is included? What's your take on use of a DE filter? Can DE be redily and affordably procurred locally in Thai? What's your take on the salt water purification concept?

    Insight appreciated.

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    If you would like to drink the water a DE filter is OK.
    With the DE filter is High in costs maintenance.
    But if you are only swimming in the pool the sand filter is the best choice.
    Ok you have a Spa run a 2nd pump it is better Hydraulics for your spa when in use.
    If you run a 3Hp pump with 1 1/2 multi port valve you will get a pressure drop, which would not give you a good water flow in the Spa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratchaburi View Post
    If you would like to drink the water a DE filter is OK.
    With the DE filter is High in costs maintenance.
    But if you are only swimming in the pool the sand filter is the best choice.
    Ok you have a Spa run a 2nd pump it is better Hydraulics for your spa when in use.
    If you run a 3Hp pump with 1 1/2 multi port valve you will get a pressure drop, which would not give you a good water flow in the Spa.
    I read sand filter as sufficient in this case since I don't plan on drinking any of the pool water.... Do I understand correctly that you are suggesting 1 pump each for the pool and spa, possibly a 1 1/2 Hp for the pool and a 1 or 1 1/2 for the spa, with both using 2" multi port valve?

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    the multi port valves are for the filter, a 3hp pump will probably have a 2inch output, maybe 2 and a half, seems a waste restricting it with a small valve as it will make it as effective as a smaller pump.

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    The idea of having 2 X pump is that (pump 1) takes the water from the pool & spa then pass through the sand filter,this so you have clean water
    in the pool & spa.
    (pump 2) takes water from the pool & spa,then return the water to the jets in the spa.(not through the filter)
    This way you turn on (pump 2) when using the Spa & have good water pressure come through the jets.
    (If you have the 2 pump on the filter you will have pressure drop)

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