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    ^ Would you be so kind as to answer my last question please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post
    3 meters by 3 meters would be about the biggest that could be done, probably break the wheels though.
    Yes, that's true. I had a huge expanding wall on my beachfront office around this size but I had it custom made. The whole structure was destroyed in the Tsunami. I'm trying to remember where they got the sliders, but they worked well with the big glass. It was a local contractor.

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    No standard sliding glass cannot be adapted to double glazing.

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    ^ Ta. It looks like I'll be welding two standard frames together then or just go with single glazing.

    Here is a very basic plan of what I am thinking of. The grey area is the overhang of the flat roof.

    The roof will be 3 layers of 12mm plywood over a steel frame and then covered with a high-performance, UV resistant, weatherproof skin (used to be roofing felt, back in the day). Fek knows where I shall find such a product, but no need to worry at the moment.

    The black squares are where the standard steel reinforced concrete posts will sit. There will be steel reinforced concrete beams across the outside spans. This is mainly to add space for cables and shit above the ceiling.

    You will notice that there is only one column in the middle of the living space. This will add a little support for the roof, but it won't really need it.

    The blue outside walls are the glass doors and the other walls will be block with large windows (except where the front door will be). There will be a kitchen, study area, living area and sleeping area. There will be one or two feature walls to form necessary divisions, especially from the kitchen and the rest of the place.

    I would really appreciate a guestimate from dd as to how much the basic construction would cost. The roof area is 192 SqM, and the living space area is 96 SqM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog
    There will be a kitchen, study area, living area and sleeping area.
    not planning on showering then?

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    ^ I might do.

    The original design was for 2 storeys, so the bathrooms were on the other level, but I have simplified things for this plan. There will be a shower room, but that won't add to the cost significantly.

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    The cheapest roof alone without ceilings would be over 100k baht

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    The cheapest roof alone without ceilings would be over 100k baht
    For what type of roof?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog View Post
    This is mainly to add space for cables and shit above the ceiling.

    You will notice that there is only one column in the middle of the living space. This will add a little support for the roof, but it won't really need it.

    So, the shit will go into that space, no wonder you don't have a bathroom in the plans

    as for the column, if you don't need it, why have it? you wil regret having a column in the middle like that, unless a wall will be across that line
    I have reported your post

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    There will be walls doing something with the kitchen, but it's undecided yet.

    Plan B is to have the kitchen and bathroom in the centre of the living area, which means I can have glass doors pretty much the whole way round and there will be a central wall to help support the roof, which means lighter steelwork.

    I'm off out now, but I might knock a plan together tomorrow.

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    Your description reminds me of a house in Phuket which has now been converted into a restaurant. Look here for some design ideas.

    http://www.phuket-beachvillas.com/vi.../slideshow.swf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog
    For what type of roof?
    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    The cheapest roof alone without ceilings would be over 100k baht
    As I said

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    OK - After taking on-board the cost element and talking to an architect, it looks like I will have to have a concrete roof, as the steel is way too expensive and too 'high-technology' with regard to waterproofing it.

    I will have to decide whether I want to use posts to support the roof overhang or not. If I don't use supports, the roof will be about 300mm thick as opposed to 100mm thick if it is supported.

    Having a concrete roof will also mean that I will have to support it in the centre of the building, so it looks like the kitchen and bathroom will be moved into the middle (maybe), on either side of the dividing wall.


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    The columns in the middle could be eliminated if you consider concrete crossbeams. One from front to back and two side to side. Advantage, no columns in the middle and a much lighter cheaper roof.

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    ^ Are you sure that you can use a concrete beam with a span of 16 metres?

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    you can, but it would have to be VERY thick, so not worth it, esp if you are having internal walls

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog
    ^ Are you sure that you can use a concrete beam with a span of 16 metres?
    I have runs of 12 meters in my place with no problems and have an extremely heavy roof. You actually only have 12 meters of beam bearing weight. The 2 meter overhangs need not have thick concrete roof. If beams columns and roof concrete are all properly tied together with steel you will have a sturdy structure. If as, Dr Andy states, you intend to have interior walls then I'm guessing the additional cost for the thicker beams will add more cost than having the extra columns. Keep in mind you will still have the same linear meters of beam but of smaller thickness.

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    Is that a house or something else Thetyim?

    not a lot of privacy unless you own the land for miles around

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    Exactly my thoughts. I would like MtD to tell us if this is what he has in mind.

    Yes it is a house but on a 47 acre site

    Google "Phillip Johnson"
    Last edited by Thetyim; 19-11-2007 at 04:37 PM.

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    I would not feel comfortable without any privacy, but probably Marmite feels different. Or is planning to spend a lot on curtains.

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    When is the actual building going to start?

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    ^ After he has bought some land and the tomato growing season starts

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