Thread: Watery Construction

Please give us a picture. The more intelligent posters here will be able to see it and give sound advice. The others, the simple ones, will like looking at the pretty pictures. Winner, winner, chicken ....

Originally Posted by Norton

Dirt fill will work. Some settling and erosion will occur on fill edges. Fill should be 1 meter above high water line and 1 meter wider than intended build area.



I would question the need of the 10 meter long road. Why not fill 10 sqm from existing shoreline? Much less fill needed and less erosion.

Thank you Norton .

Well --- going out Ten Metres is really MY idea . When a road does come it will of course be noisy . I understand that it will skirt right along the edge of that water. So I thought setting it back ten metres would be a good move . But you're right . Maybe just a platform adjacent to the road . For simplicity .



There's no telling though exactly where the road will go .

Now this is going to surprise you Norty - but attempts to find out at any Local Office come up against a wall of shrugs .

Here's some filling that has already taken place round the other side of the lakey .



Not attractive .

There are six households spread around this water . All one family . So they bitch and fight ALL the time .


Wasp

Originally Posted by Maanaam

As Pseudolus says, and was my immediate thought, why infill when piles would do a better and quicker job? and why 20 metres out? Driven piles, concrete slab, wooden shack on top.

Hello Maanaam .

When I wrote here I wasn't exactly asking how to do this .... but I am finding it very interesting stuff .

I was asking really whether their method ( to go pushing trucks of soil into the water and expecting it not to start moving around ) was a pretty stupid idea .
Didn't make sense to me ..... but I was only using my deeply unprofound lack of construction knowledge .

Instead though - I am getting sound advice about banging in piles . I am not at all against the idea . But it sounds expensive and I'm not keen on expensive for this daughter .
I would though enjoy watching the piling going on .

Do you happen to know how far apart piles should go ?


Wasp

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Pontoon base is not a silly idea at all.

Parking a car ? Two moatybike ?

As demonstrated with your picture is that thai's tend not to be so concerned with aesthetics. Want to build a house on reclaimed land? Tip a load of shit on it as you can not see if from the inside anyway so no bother. It's too late looking at that to save the look of the place, and they will eventually fill in the lake, and later grumble about no fish and damp. Best just go with the cheapest option and be done with it.

Originally Posted by Klondyke

My two cents of advice: A land filling is a usual way in Thailand, just negotiate a good price per truck (a hokloor - 6 wheel truck, 5 cbm is a wish, 500 - 600B), and calculate the estimated area. Sometimes there is a somebody who needs to dig a pond, so make a deal with him. Now, it's a good season for such works before new rain comes in April May.

And it surely will need a time for settlement, the time frame not easy to estimate, depends on the soil quality. Mostly it is a clay that after settlement is quite compact and stable against a water penetration sidewards. For an easy house, it is not so much to worry (unlike of the 4 stories house), a foundation ring with reinforcement will do.

For this small area it would be surely not cheap to organize a piling stuff - especially if it is in the water. Then, you will need to bring the hundreds of soil trucks anyway. And the settlement time either...

That's more than two cents !

Settlement time would certainly be not a problem . They've been saying a road is coming through ' any week now ' but they've been saying that for 8 years.
I'm inclined to think a bit of old-fashioned Thai style ( pushing stolen soil into the water ) and some appropriate piling might be the answer . But I wish I knew how far apart the piles go and have some cost idea because it does sound the expensive part of the job .

Appreciated , Klondyke.


Wasp

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Post of the day.


Anyway how much land is on the outside of the lake that can be used. Build on that and expand a wood deck into the lake for outside space?

As I said ...... its six households spread around the water and they are all one family . Grown-up brothers and sisters . So they fight and bitch and block each others access and behave like shits to each other . Missy's mum sensibly moved 120 Degrees around the water to a quieter location . Nothing would entice them to move back closer to the others despite it being more open and easier to build as its away from the prospective road .

They really must stay in this area .

Better would be to sell this huge block for AN AWFUL LOT OF MONEY as its a prime building area ---- but six families have to agree and the ones with 5 children say they are entitled to more money than the ones with no children .
Chances of agreeing to anything ??? Below zero.


Wasp

Coming to you soon , oots.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Best just go with the cheapest option and be done with it.

My thinking as well.

Originally Posted by ootai

The simplest solution is to find somewhere else to build the house.

Or not build it at all.

Originally Posted by Wasp

When a road does come it will of course be noisy

Perhaps but doubt will be a major highway. 10 meter will make little difference in noise level in any case.

Originally Posted by Norton

Perhaps but doubt will be a major highway. 10 meter will make little difference in noise level in any case.

... and they won't hear much noise over the sound of fighting, arguments, and the 6 super sized stereos that compete on a nightly basis.

Originally Posted by Norton

My thinking as well.

Yep.
Might save a whole lot of unnecessary angst concern in the long run.

Originally Posted by Wasp

I'd greatly appreciate any knowledgeable guidance on this.

Delete your Line account?

Or just send the money, they won't take any of your ideas on board if you're not there

Could always put some stilts on this
https://teakdoor.com/construction-in-...baht-pond.html (Thai Floor Plans - 50,000baht Pond Side Hut)

Necron had a house in a pond. Cant find any links to it though

Waspy,

Your pic at #27 offers some clues.

That is crushed rock, not soil. That is what you see in Dubai and Hong Kong when they want to build in the ocean. They don't start with sand. You can always pile soil on top to make a garden, although a lot of it is going to filter downwards.

Even a small house would probably need piles on that foundation. So maybe it is as easy to go back to the 'house on stilts' suggestion.

Dillinger is right, they aren't going to listen. I wouldn't sink any money (pun intended) into the project until an engineer has assessed the site and suggested options. That needn't be expensive and certainly would save money in the long term. Which means not very long, only longer than the Thai event horizon.

Shu

Originally Posted by Dillinger

Could always put some stilts on this
https://teakdoor.com/construction-in-...baht-pond.html (Thai Floor Plans - 50,000baht Pond Side Hut)

Necron had a house in a pond. Cant find any links to it though

.....and what's become of Necron99??

Originally Posted by ootai

Hey Wasp good to see you back.
Why doesn't Missy build the house on her block down the street from her place or has she sold that?

To just fill in the access and house block to the dimensions you gave would require at least 600 cubic metres of fill which is allowing for about a metre above the water line so if a truck load is 5 cubic metres then 120 truck loads not cheap and probably unsuccessful in the long term.

The fill would most likely over time become waterlogged as you have said and therefore sink/slump. If you want to explain this it you maybe able to explain using concrete as the exam
ple to show what happens when too much water is added it "flows".

As for the "house block" if you built a 10x10 house on a 12x12 area then there wouldn't be much room for the car
In order for the house construction to stay stable you would need to drive pylons through the fill down into the solid ground below (how far?).

You need to come back to Thailand so I can come and have a chat again, I need a laugh.

Cheers

Hi oots .

I don't plan on returning to Thailand . Missy is terrific . Heart of absolute Gold . But Lady Pig just refuses to die . The indolent brother refuses to work or pay any Power Bills or Water Bills or anything like that . " Sister work Ingrrand . Sister risshh . "
We clean up around the house exterior and the father drags his Rice paddy Pump over to spill oil everywhere and Angle Grind at any hour . Drive me fukkin crazy the lot of them . So no .

Regarding the block along the road . Not sold ...... but I'm talking about a different block 20 km away . In Johore . A BIG block worth a lot of money .
Missy's Mum lived there . Now Missy's daughter lives there . If they walk away from it they lose their one sixth claim to what is probably 40 Million Baht . And anyway the daughter works nearby - so she's staying there .

No good me asking people about this stuff and not heeding the advice ....... so I'm coming to a conclusion .
People who say " ..... just go with the cheapest option and be done with it. " I think you're right .
People who say " .... if you're not in Thailand they'll do whatever they want ". Are also right .

What I wanted --- if folks said the soil and brick mess was acceptable --- I was going to pay Missy and let them push a base out into the water and leave it to settle for as long as 6 months before maybe I would go out and start the next bit .
I thought letting it settle for 15 minutes might not be long enough .

NOW though .... now that I look at the photos myself ...... I can see others have tipped broken masonry and crushed rocks and stones et cetera .
Maybe I'll just get her to buy that stuff and start tipping next to the existing hovel . Maybe buy 10 lorries tipped and have a look how far that gets us .
Missy herself would be very happy with a much smaller home than the one YOU visited oots .
I'm going to attach one of her dream homes .

Regards.




Wasp

Originally Posted by Dillinger

Necron had a house in a pond. Cant find any links to it though

https://teakdoor.com/construction-in-...in-a-pond.html

Not much to see.

I have a small detail . In front of the dwelling there is a cement sitting area . With a roof and a couple of supports .
Apparently -- if you are standing inside the house at its front door you are still on Missy land . But the moment you step out the door you are standing where the road will be going . Skimming the front of the present dwelling .
Hence a need to provide a replacement .




Wasp

WHy are they moving? Very convenient to step out the door onto the road. Might even be just enough room for a Wave as well. Jump on and zoom off.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

WHy are they moving? Very convenient to step out the door onto the road. Might even be just enough room for a Wave as well. Jump on and zoom off.

The dwelling is teetering anyway .

Originally Posted by Dillinger

Could always put some stilts on this
https://teakdoor.com/construction-in-...baht-pond.html (Thai Floor Plans - 50,000baht Pond Side Hut)

I agree,simple to build and very quick. At his link the piles are shown. Add a ring beam plus some cross beams of concrete ......

As others have said the picture appears to be more rock than soil.

Originally Posted by Wasp

The dwelling is teetering anyway .

Smash that into small pieces and use it as base for pad in the pond. Prolly need a bit more but it's a start.

Started to think that myself .

pseudolus favours having the roadway right outside the door ....... but actually if we just built immediately behind the old thing we've got a stand area for a motorbike .
That photo above is wrong by the way . That is the back of the house so if we smash it into pieces we'll be about 4 metres back from any road .

Huang Lao had a very interesting suggestion --- HuangLao : " FUK OFF - CLEARLY HAVEN'T A CLUE.....DISCONNECTED WANNABE."
Not sure what brought that on . Anybody have any suggestions ?


Wasp