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Construction in Thailand Is building in Thailand as bad as it seems? Can properties really be built and fitted out to European standards? Would you like to Build your own house in Phuket, or a swimming pool in Bangkok? Solar water heating in Pattaya? Or maybe you want to build a resort or guesthouse on Koh Samui? If you want to build a luxury house in Thailand then this is the forum for you.

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Old 20-04-2017, 10:03 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Anyone know if it's safe to use two pin Thai appliances in Uk three pin sockets?

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Anyone know if it's safe to use two pin Thai appliances in Uk three pin sockets?
In case the appliance body is all of plastics, then no problem.
If the body is of metal to change the cable to one with three wires, the third wire connected to the metal body.
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Does the house have an RCD unit? Should be in or next to the fuse/breaker box.

If so should be OK if not you could buy one of these for peace of mind.

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www.partmaster.co.uk


Also similar at Argos for 5.99

But also what Klondyke says.
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From a technical point of view ... YES

Thailand is 50 cycle / 220 volts

The UK is 50 cycle / 230 volts ... used to be 240 volts but has changed to 230 volts.

Australia is 50 cycle / 240 volts


It's the cycles that is important. The voltage can vary.
Australia's variation standard is +/- 10% The UK's is +10% - 6%
All my Aussie stuff works in Thailand and Visa-versa.

The USA 60 cycle / 120 volts ... so appliances need both a transformer and a converter. Some things like computers can handle this ... others can not.



Sooo ... the simple answer is yep, should work.


Is it safe? ... unsure.

If the appliance is double insulated then the 'earth' is not required to be attached as the original configuration would have been '2 pin'.




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Even some forgettable electricians have stuck the knife down the toaster to prise the stuck piece of bread and almost fried themselves, but were saved by the safety switch (cough, cough ).
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Anyone know if it's safe to use two pin Thai appliances in Uk three pin sockets?

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Two pin so no earth, and therefore presumably the appliance is double insulated, and IMO should be OK.

I've used my computer in the UK with no problems whatsoever. The issue you will have will be the plug and socket not matching. I used a travel adapter to get around that.
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The UK is 50 cycle / 230 volts ... used to be 240 volts but has changed to 230 volts.
Officially yes, to comply with the EU, however, I think you'll find that in reality the voltage is still at, or very close to, 240 volts - using permitted variance (below) to be able to both comply with the EU regulations and at the same time stay the same.

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The voltage can vary.
The UK's is +10% - 6%
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It's the cycles that is important.
Sorry Dave, but that's not the case for the question at hand. Hertz has nothing to do with if an appliance is earthed or not. Klondyke was right in the first post.
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in reality the voltage is still at, or very close to, 240 volts
Makes little difference, 230 V or 240 V to the OP (or to the appliance). Klondyke was right.
Earthing is providing an alternative path for the current IF the casing of the appliance is conductive AND if the circuit is compromised. It's a safety feature.
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in reality the voltage is still at, or very close to, 240 volts
Makes little difference, 230 V or 240 V to the OP (or to the appliance).
I was simply enlightening David48 on the UK voltage issue. I thought that was clear from my post.
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Yes FFS you can plug it in and it will work.

Its not the safest but it will work and its probably more safe plugging it in in the UK than plugging the same appliance in in thailand.
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Anyone know if it's safe to use two pin Thai appliances in Uk three pin sockets?
What appliances do you intend to take over?
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What appliances do you intend to take over?
The mere fact that it comes factory with a 2 pin plug should answer most questions.

If he cut off the 3rd pin or something then its more dangerous but still probably safer plugging it in in the UK than here.
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The reason I asked is because most things can be got in the UK and it would be easier just to buy new. I wouldn't want to haul a lot of appliances over, but an expensive single item (notebook for example) would be logical.
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^ Good point. Retarded to lug a rice cooker
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The reason I asked is because most things can be got in the UK and it would be easier just to buy new. I wouldn't want to haul a lot of appliances over, but an expensive single item (notebook for example) would be logical.
Too true Nev, I originally enquired about my phone charger.
But if there is room in my suitcase I would love to take my trusty toasted sandwich machine back home.
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Laptop, tablet,cellphone chargers universal world wide for the most part.Read the AC/DC adapter. It should state;
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output 20V--2.25A for a laptop.
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output 5v--800mA or there about.

I would buy a dozen 1 dollar cell phone chargers and sell them for 2 or three back home for what they usually have to pay 5 or 6 for. It may be the only chance you ever have to brag you doubled your money in a day.5555.
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^ Good point. Retarded to lug a rice cooker
Hey now that's a bit rough. I brought my rice cooker on my last trip to Laos. Cost 1300 for the plane ticket but hell she does dishes too.
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Your sandwich toaster will be fine. It's motors like in hair dryers that may burn up if designed for 110v-AC as well as the heating elements if running on 240V.
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I don't think his issue was the voltage & frequency but 2 pin plugs IE earthing

And yeah phone charger is totally fine.

Toasted sandwich maker thingy is fine too IMHO but anyway thats kinda heavy.
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Its not the safest but it will work and its probably more safe plugging it in in the UK than plugging the same appliance in in thailand.
Dangerous advice. It's got nothing to do with which country's grid and house wiring it's plugged in to and everything to do with the quality of the appliance.
The earth is for safety if the internal wiring in the appliance shorts with the outer casing.
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I originally enquired about my phone charger.
Totally enclosed in plastic so OK.
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Its not the safest but it will work and its probably more safe plugging it in in the UK than plugging the same appliance in in thailand.
Dangerous advice. It's got nothing to do with which country's grid and house wiring it's plugged in to and everything to do with the quality of the appliance.
The earth is for safety if the internal wiring in the appliance shorts with the outer casing.
Nah not really. UK house wiring is coded & regulated and should have safety protections built in for leakage. Thailand is supposed to, but doesn't. Very many homes don't have anything but breakers and zero leakage protection. It's likely it will be safer to use this appliance in the UK because of the regulation & coding.

Not all appliances are required to have a 3 pin plug. The fact that this one does not have one indicates it doesn't need one. These appliances are built for sale in several regions and listing regulations.

Your logic is assuming that every appliance NEEDS to be bonded to earth to be safe and that's incorrect.

Usually these appliances have something like a CE Listing tag on them for refrence as well if someone was so inclined to look it up.

My point is, the fact that it doesn't have a 3rd pin usually indicates it doesn't need one.

If an existing 3rd pin was cut off so it could fit into a 2 pin plug then that's another story but it's no different than if a 3 pin appliance was used with an adapter to fit into a 2 pin socket, same, and people do it all the time, everywhere.

I would have zero issue using a 2 pin appliance in another country assuming the voltage & frequency is correct.
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It all depends if the appliance is a Thai brand built for Thailand or international standards. I have seen two pin devices that have an earth screw on the back so just because it only has two pins don't assume it doesn't need to be earthed.

But as others have said if it is all plastic you are fairly safe in assuming its double insulated
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Your logic is assuming that every appliance NEEDS to be bonded to earth to be safe and that's incorrect.
Wrong. And I did not imply every appliance NEEDS to be earthed.
You stated to the effect that plugging an appliance into the UK grid is safer than plugging it into the Thai grid regardless of the appliance, whereas I am saying the grid has nothing to do with it and that it's all about the safety of the appliance.


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It all depends if the appliance is a Thai brand built for Thailand or international standards. I have seen two pin devices that have an earth screw on the back so just because it only has two pins don't assume it doesn't need to be earthed.

But as others have said if it is all plastic you are fairly safe in assuming its double insulated
Correct.
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Your logic is assuming that every appliance NEEDS to be bonded to earth to be safe and that's incorrect.
Wrong. And I did not imply every appliance NEEDS to be earthed.
Maanam, Chill. The only real NEED in this, is Slick's NEED to be correct.
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