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Construction in Thailand Is building in Thailand as bad as it seems? Can properties really be built and fitted out to European standards? Would you like to Build your own house in Phuket, or a swimming pool in Bangkok? Solar water heating in Pattaya? Or maybe you want to build a resort or guesthouse on Koh Samui? If you want to build a luxury house in Thailand then this is the forum for you.

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Old 16-03-2017, 03:47 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Quite simply ................. if you don't like the existing floor tiles - can you lay new tiles straight onto the tiles that are already there ?

Or - ( more likely I imagine ) - do you have to smash out the old tiles in order to put down your new ones ???


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Yeah you can lay tiles over existing ones no problem. Just make sure all existing tiles are in good shape first, not cracked etc. If so, remove damaged ones and fill with levelling compound or whatever.

Also, sounds obvious but make sure the increased height of floor aint gonna cause problems with units, electric points etc
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I've layed tiles over tiles three times now in the kitchen and bathroom , floor and walls.
Might have to rip them all up next time as the rooms are starting to feel smaller and claustrophobic.
You might have to shave the bottom of the doors.
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Personally I'd bust them all up. Labor is cheap
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Personally I'd bust them all up. Labor is cheap

As would I....whether the labour is cheap or not.

Better result all around.
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can you lay new tiles straight onto the tiles that are already there ?
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Personally I'd bust them all up. Labor is cheap
Wot he said.
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Old 16-03-2017, 06:45 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Quite simply ................. if you don't like the existing floor tiles - can you lay new tiles straight onto the tiles that are already there ?

Or - ( more likely I imagine ) - do you have to smash out the old tiles in order to put down your new ones ???


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We had this done in Singapore. They smashed out the tiles and re-laid the concrete base.
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Old 16-03-2017, 06:54 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I had mine done last year in the shower room. Tiler took out the old tiles first. Different people different methods. I believe, in fact I'm sure, they sell an adhesive tile cement for tile on tile overlaying.

Edit: Yep I am correct. https://www.weberthai.com/en/tile-ad...ting-tile.html

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if a jobs worth doing........
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if a jobs worth doing........
If you're referring to removing the old tiles first then it's a bitch of a job in that the tile will not come out cleanly. They'll shatter and you have to ensure you get every little shard out. Plus it's dusty work.
If you want a clean job no dust/mess then overlay.
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If you're referring to removing the old tiles first then it's a bitch of a job in that the tile will not come out cleanly.
who in their right mind would wanna tile in Thailand when as pointed out its so cheap to get some Thai to do it and stand over him with a spirit level and a can of Singha
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It really isn't a big deal to bust up tiles in Thailand. They rarely even use a thin-set type adhesive like most western countries.

Cement/sand mix is used both to level the tile area and secure the tile in place, all in one go.

They do sell the adhesive, and some will use it on walls/verticals/small accent tile pieces etc... But mostly just cement & sand.

Messy, yes, but piss easy.

Any ole farmer type & his wife can do it for 300/day barely supervised from start to fully supervised cleanup.
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if a jobs worth doing........

Quite so.
A few might yet be oblivious to such - as in: doing it right.
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The tiling over thing would generally be used by contractors to keep costs & time down for both the contractor and the client. Saves on waste removal as well.

NEW FLOOR IN A WEEKEND!!

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Well !!!!
Thank you for the responses.

I have a Scoreboard of 3 saying " yes .... go ahead " .......... and 4 saying " no - it's a daft thing to do ".

Or its cheapskate or whatever with an eye roll .

So it's confusingly even .

I remember when these tiles went down and they used a base of about 40mm of cement and squished the tiles onto that . A slack way of levelling .
But now its an awful lot of stuff to break up and remove .

Thinking ..................



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This is how I did mine but that's with tile adhesive You could test a piece out and see if the cement lifts from the concrete floor I'd say it probably would as they never use a bonding agent when they lay the floor.

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Well !!!!
Thank you for the responses.
I have a Scoreboard of 3 saying " yes .... go ahead " .......... and 4 saying " no - it's a daft thing to do ".
Or its cheapskate or whatever with an eye roll .
So it's confusingly even .
I remember when these tiles went down and they used a base of about 40mm of cement and squished the tiles onto that . A slack way of levelling .
But now its an awful lot of stuff to break up and remove .
Thinking ..................
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What is "yes", what is "no"? I can add up to "not to break it". It's not just about the work is cheap, but about waste of time and the mess in the house. I (my chaan pun) had laid cement blocks (and somewhere also tiles) direct on older tiles of wall and bottom of swimming pool - by a simple cement with addition nam yaa (waterproof). No problem even after two earthquakes.
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This is how I did mine but that's with tile adhesive You could test a piece out and see if the cement lifts from the concrete floor I'd say it probably would as they never use a bonding agent when they lay the floor.

Thank you brisie.

Forget the tiles !

I want one of demm jackhammer things !!!!!

It's brilliant !!


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What is "yes", what is "no"? I can add up to "not to break it". It's not just about the work is cheap, but about waste of time and the mess in the house. I (my chaan pun) had laid cement blocks (and somewhere also tiles) direct on older tiles of wall and bottom of swimming pool - by a simple cement with addition nam yaa (waterproof). No problem even after two earthquakes.


Yes .... the mess is a factor .

You know that Buddha shrine thing every home has ? Well we asked some somchais to build a base for a shrine ......... make a hollow square and then fill it up with broken waste we had from another bit of work .
They made the square but then instead of filling it with the mountain of broken cement , tiles et cetera they went around looking and they found our pile of new blocks for a wall and threw all those in and cemented over !!!!

Leaving us no blocks and still with a pile of broken crap . Hence I was thinking how to avoid adding more to the waste pile .

The helpful answers here are telling me I CAN tile onto tiles but it's not really the 'proper' way to go about things .
More of a somchai approach . God forbid.

Thank you peeples .



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I had the lower floor of my house re-tiled over existing tiles, about 20 years ago. Never had a problem. I made sure I had a pack of tiles as spare for whatever reason might occur, as tile patterns can be discontinued at any time.

Not saying which method is best though, tile afresh or lay over.



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Thank you Gazza .

That's 4 - 4 now .

I'm going for .............. remove the tiles .

Only because I read my own Post and thought " Hang on .......!! Did I say 40 mm of cement ? "

Well yes I did . Plus the thickness of the existing tiles plus some adhesive plus the thickness of the new tiles !!!!
Must be nearly 2 metres deep now !!

NoNoNoNoNo .


That's maybe a decision made .


Possibly.


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Good choice. Makes a mess but will avoid potential problems with existing tile base and as you point out issues with height of new tile.
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I'm going for .............. remove the tiles
Good choice. Makes a mess but will avoid potential problems with existing tile base and as you point out issues with height of new tile.

Yep.
The obvious choice.
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Yep.
The obvious choice.
OK

But it's still handy to know that I CAN put tiles on top of tiles .

I was never very sure about that one.


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Good day, Wasp...I found this on LinkedIn when checking my email...Under 3D Printed Houses...

Apparently, (in Russia, I think) they've just "printed" a whole house (minus only the roof) from a massive 3D printing machine...The material was "kind of like concrete"...Took less than 24 hours at a cost of about $10,000 complete with materials and labour...

But I digress...Here's what reminded me of you:

WASP:

The Company

CSP (Centro Sviluppo Progetti) was founded in 2003 from a 10-year experience of founder Massimo Moretti gained in the world of electronics and mechanics. The company develops innovative projects: continuous research and state of the art are the cornerstones of a work that is based on the desire to leave a better world than one has found and on trust in the technology behind sustainable progress.

And that is how WASP (World’s Advanced Saving Project) was created in 2012. A project focused on developing 3D printing and that finds its roots in the world of Open-source, trying to give and put into circulation know-how and tools. WASP manufactures solid professional printers with the aim to encourage sustainable development and in-house production.
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