Thread: It's Too Hot . What To Do ?

I love this Thread !!

Love the path it has gone along . I would give myself 10 stars if I could .
Because it's not a bunch of whingeing discontents ( apart from old Moogy ) .
It's a collection of musings that have clearly been going on for a long time . Rationalising the thoughts of living here or not .
Not just idiots saying they miss the pub or Greggs sausage rolls . But come to think of it .....

Its comforting to find people who have let things go on for a long time before questioning whether to stay or go . Even to the point of building that complicated house ( BD ) and then deciding the Worcestershire country walks are more appealing .

I'm very interested by all the thoughts - but none of it applies to me . I married the lady so she could stay and improve her own life and hence improve the family's life in Thailand . It was never in order for me to go and retire in Thailand .
But I feel I must move SOMEWHERE ..... purely on cost .

I know there's a big community in Malta but I believe it's a whole bunch of people basically sitting in God's Waiting Room . Lots like that in Spain too .
Loads of retirees who bought in France and are being pummeled by exchange rates and the French government .
People in Spain who are getting evicted because the homes were built illegally .
In fact anywhere you look there can be probs .

Koman .... I do believe every single word of caution you write about living on a boat . Every word . But it's moored in a spot where apartments cost £500 000 of which £350 000 is the view . I get the same view - better even - for far less . But I still believe you .

And SeekingAsylum .... in a very considered Post ..... sounding most serious about which things really matter for a quality of living . Sounding very like bankao in fact .

So bankao ..... please . I'm intrigued . You said " I'm as laid back and adaptable as can be but just lately I'm beginning to find things here annoying. " I realise you miss what you had in the UK - but what things are annoying you ?
Apart that it is from the obvious dogs , relatives , lies , squalor , the driving , the drunks , bribes , noise , the " kinn yaow " , the litter .
For you were already well aware of all those things.



Wasp

Wasp
we have no noise we have a couple who live next door, great neighbours lights out at 8.30 don't drink. As mentioned no relatives visit. The in laws live with us, Por doesn't drink and is happy in his shack built at the bottom of the garden. The Mil sleeps in the house goes to bed at 8pm. In the day she likes to make Thai sweets, They load them on the Fil's pushcart and go sell them in the next village. They don't have to do it but it keeps them busy.
We have noisy dogs "ours".
Driving here is something I really dislike.
But for me personally it's more about what I miss. 5 minutes from front door open fields and walking the dogs for an hour or 2. The 5th fairway of our golf club behind the garden, 1 minute from front door teeing off for a few holes after work.
Yes its more about what we miss than whats wrong with Thailand.

Originally Posted by koman

When we have been away from our own country for a lengthy period of time, we tend to start remembering all the nice things about it, and forget (or just dismiss) all the reasons why we left in the first place.

A very true statement. The leaking bilge, the condensation inside the cabin, damp clothes, another can of xxxxxx are the downsides. A fresh breeze, sunrise after a cold night and that first freshwater shower after a long voyage are the luxuries usually anticipated and wallowed in when they occur.

Life, wherever you rest your head, is what you make of it. Not the external images, sounds, smells or other sensory input your body receives. Take control of your own destiny and fucking enjoy yourself - every fucking minute, of every fucking day.

Now get on with it!

Well I don't love this Thread quite so much now .

It's just stupid to come in and say someone is being " too condemnatory of Thailand " ( can123 ) when it's two Thai wives themselves who are saying the country is shite and they want to move away .

The country IS shite ! It's just a case of whether you are prepared to put up with the shite .

We went and ate sookee last night . A Thai lady came to say " hello " as she and her family were leaving .
Then the Thai friends were telling me in hushed tones how this family has 4 pickups and 4 motorbikes .
" Why ? How come ? "
" Husband Police " ...... so bribes in other words.

It's also a different story for someone who goes swanning around choosing where to live as opposed to the foreign guys who have been somewhat obliged to live in the family area because the Thai wife is so compelled to look after mum and dad .
The two situations don't compare.

And why this " You seem to be incapable of any reasoned argument. Few will have any regard to your views especially in view of your manner. You are pathetic. " ?

There is no argument here until you start trying to manufacture one . And I have a lot of regard for nigelandjan's views ! What makes you claim that few will have any regard ? You can't make claims for other people when you don't know . They are fair views from an aspect different from yours .
Then you decry abuse by being abusive !


It's become just like any other Thread when people take an innocent theme and start a somewhat feeble dispute.


That area in Canada does indeed look superb .... and maybe a bit more interesting than Somerset ..... although ' fuk Somerset ' is a bit mean koman . However I'm sure it IS expensive too .

Thailand meanwhile IS a dump . Full to the brim with corruption . Road rules that are ignored . By the Thais . Too much loud alcohol-fuelled , dog-infested , termitey , lying , two-faced crap . Even the Thais wiil acknowledge it .
" Don't come back . This place shit . " is a frequent warning my wife gets .

And to be saying there are good and bad people everywhere is just a lazy piece of nonsense . There are indeed good and bad people in the UK --- but there's a lot more bad people in Moss Side than good . And there's a lot more drunken fools with snarling dogs in the Thai villages than well-behaved cultured ones.

Some in Thailand do get into a pleasant situation ( koman ) ..... but if the Thai wife is critical of Thailand then it's ludicrous to start saying there's nothing wrong with Thailand .



Wasp

Point 1.

Yes you're right . We have wandered away from the original question although the heat was the question and there's a direct connection between that and not staying at all.

Point 2.

It's the meanderings that make this forum far more interesting than other Forums .


Point 3.

It's decidedly not shit .

I have found people's thoughts fascinating .
If you don't find them of interest this is just one Thread and there are thousands of others you can read .



Wasp

thaimeme :
The general queries were resolved after the first page, since then this lovely tome has turned to why one would wish to live in a locale that is highly undesirable, yet continue to do so - whinging, bitching, and hating all the while. Attempting to create an intellectual twist to the shame to justify their madness.

Rather typical of threads that wonder off in this nature.



It's " wander " .

Not ' wonder ' .


Wasp

Well said Waspy ,, no one here has been trying to convince anyone to do anything , people are merely sharing ( their ) experiences in the places ( they ) are set up .

Others reading will make up they're own minds about it.

I give a broad view over the 10 years I have been visiting Thailand and no one surely can argue over the last 3 or 4 years things have become quite different .

One thing for sure I would say since I first visited its not the cheap bargain place it used to be and in comparison to the west prices here both housing and food have rocketed up . The type of 1m houses I was looking at have now gone to 2 - 2.5 m whereas house prices in the UK have never multiplied like that in that period .

When I first visited the village where my wife comes from 8 years ago I noticed about 3 or 4 what I would call farang sponsored looking houses with the windows boarded up , when I asked her why she said they had been built and now abandoned , at the time I said mabe they have just done that to make them secure while they are away ,, well those same places + now around another 3 more that have been subsequently built are still boarded up every time we visit , so I would say its fair to say at least some of the couples have gone back to the husbands Country to live . Ofcourse I have no idea what they're future plans are and the way property prices are going up mabe they have just made wise moves for they're futures , or mabe the husbands could no longer live here .

On the health aspect one of my dear friends ( who is a member on here ) has been very gravely ill over the last year and has had to return home to get the treatment he needs to survive his life ( I believe this is to do with the cost of the treatment ) why he has gone home ,, anyway its such a sad situation because in the time period available he could not get everything in place to take his wife with him , so he had to go back alone .

Allthough going back home in one respect was easy for him as he would crack me up with his stories of the as he put it " the living hell " in the village he paid to have his home built in ,, infact things were so bad he said he would rather live in a cardboard box under a bridge back in the States than live here anymore .

His words not mine .

Again just another situation as it is ,, having said that his friend built well out the village in a very quiet spot and he is well happy .

We are all different and have different tolerance levels , mine errs towards the side of common sense and reason .

Koman:

Just out of curiosity, what kind of money does one have to fork out to moor a boat in that part of the world these days? Seems to me every square inch of waterfront in the UK and Europe is covered with boats, all jammed in like sardines.



I forget the figures but it all seemed reasonable . But I haven't said much detail about this because there's a creep in this Forum who follows any information to track down personal details . And then writes abusively .

However - it's almost Somerset . Not quite . But a PRIME location and it's true that on the nearby land you are paying an awful lot of money simply for the view ( and the location ) . Whereas this boat is IN the view . The location is better than the apartments not far away because the apartments cannot control who their neighbours are but my neighbours are swans and a few other boats . And a pub . A nice one .

This boat .... and the Right to the excellent mooring .... is £42 000 . Which is about what I wanted to spend for the next step .
And if I don't purchase the boat what can I buy ?
In England not much at all . Maybe a not-very-mobile home on a skanky farm in North Wales .
I could get an apartment in Spain but Spain has never appealed to me . Those Canary Islands sound better .
France I love --- but caution prevails .
It may surprise you but in Europe - apart from home - the place I most like ... is Germany . Heidelberg .
I was in Heidelberg and I pointed to a particularly pleasant forested hill and asked a German friend about it . " You zee dass hausen derr ? White haus ?" Yes .
Dass iss home Steffi Graff .

So I had picked maybe the most expensive forested hill in derr Germany .

To keep thaimeme and kundepuu happy I'll meander back to the question .
I don't have the figures about mooring costs but all in all the costs were manageable . There are certain costs you've got anyway wherever you live so the additionals were fine .
But you and OhOh have me rethinking . AGAIN .



As we now have so many people unhappy reading other people's legitimate opinions ..... as we now have trolls ..... as we now have complaints that we have stopped talking about screens and trees and air conditioning ..... shall we call a halt to this Thread ?


No. No. Cancel that . Here comes Bettyboo and I always defer to Betts !!!



Wasp

Originally Posted by can123

I have spent at least five years deciding where we are going to live in Thailand and made several visits to check out different cities/locations since then.

I look forward to reading your tales of woe in a couple of years time... Though, in your case, you'll probably not be honest enough to detail them; ignore him, Nige - he can be moronic from time to time.

For my part, I've almost always hated the shithole and the stupid people in it; although I hate most places and most people, so...


As I've said on many other threads, there are far nicer places in the world than Thailand. 20+ years ago when I first went to Thailand, it was pretty nice, but it has got worse and worse year on year to the point now where it's a total shithole in so many ways. But, I could say the same of my hometown of London. The world seems to be digging itself deeper into a dark age... Personally, I like Spain, but with massive corruption and unemployment, and some of the few jobs being casual work for super rich russians and Germans on their huge 'plantations' (OK, I mean villas, but you get the point...), it's no wonder that the natives are thieving, lying, cheating, ignorant, uneducated bastards - levels of education and opportunity seem to be dropping everywhere; thoroughly depressing. The Thai kids have the 12 virtues to learn and fall back on - who the fuk would want to live in a country where that's the educational base...

Korea's much nicer, but I'm thinking about ditching the Thai and moving to Switzerland with Patsy.

Thailand has been sold out for the 'hiso' Thais and their enormous greed (not unlike the bastards running the UK); Thailand is for holidays and playing, not a place to build a life, imho. I've said it many times, but if I could go back and live life again then I would not put one little toe in that terrible place...

Too much?