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    ............. and this came to an end .

    With abruptness.

    Found out that the owner - not all that long ago - had to sell up for quite different reasons and he sold it for 1.5 million Baht . Just enough to clear all his debts .

    The Chinese new owner immediately put his price of 3 Million on it . Hoping to get perhaps 2.7 .

    So I offered him his 1.5 and he put the price up to 3.4 !!!

    Missy is giving up on this .
    Fortunately to one side there is a completely decent neighbour who has always said we can use her land to enter. We are thinking she will be pleased to allow a roadway if we also build her a wall . We'll extend the roadway up to her house so everyone will do ok out of it all.







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    Sounds like a better ( and much cheaper) plan,mate

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatOne View Post
    Sounds like a better ( and much cheaper) plan,mate
    The thing is , Marty ..... ownership .

    If that plot was acquired it would be the end of the small but annoying dependence on other people .
    You can see a red dotted path on that rough plan ( and a photo of it in Post #643 ).

    That's the entry for a pickup at present and we had to get legal confirmation . But it doesn't stop the old Pig from dumping her crap all over it and blocking it.

    You're right that we should now go for that neighbour's kindness - but she won't sell us the strip .
    We can make a concrete road and have access but the ownership is still missing . Always dependent on good relations.

    See that LadyMango land ?
    The same strip moved 3 metres right would be perfect there and we would close the dotted route .
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    owes a lot of money to a lot of people but she will NOT sell us a short strip there !

    Out of bloodymindedness.



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    hmmmm:

    ..think it is law that you must have a right of way to your property..not that ...
    As to the muddy 'road', perhaps a few tonnes of sand/gravel and rocks may answer? Graded to runoff to miss piggy's property..55

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    Family! Who needs 'em?

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    It's been a long time .........
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    3 years since I was in Thailand .
    I've requested 4 times that this Thread of mine be deleted because bloody Photobucket removed all the photos and destroyed the story . The mods simply would not delete it and I still don't understand why .

    Anyway ....... next week I'm going back for a while .

    Last year Missy was there and though she is thoroughly Thai she was phoning and moaning that it was too hot .
    So it will certainly be too hot for me . And though we can buy ' things ' ...... even air con ..... it's not a good expenditure because as soon as we depart the Indolent Brother will do a Lazarus and move at the speed of a Solar Photon ( which is quite quick ) and he will remove any such stuff to his fleapit . He will break it of course .

    The biggest source of heat problem is one particular wall facing straight at the sun for all of the hottest part of the day .
    So I've been thinking about this ......... putting wooden battens on the outside of the wall , placing big sections of insulation foam between the battens - and then covering it all with those compressed planky-looking things that resemble strips .

    An alternative is to do all of that on the INSIDE of that wall and covering it up with Gyprock panels and plaster .

    Which would be more effective ? In anyone's experienced opinion ??
    What I'm thinking is that it's much easier to work indoors but that wall will get just as hot so the insulation has a battle .
    Whereas its more work on the outside but the wall will not get so hot ....... so which way wins ?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Wasp View Post
    putting wooden battens on the outside of the wall , placing big sections of insulation foam between the battens - and then covering it all with those compressed planky-looking things that resemble strips .
    This is definitely the easiest, cheapest and fastest way. I did it on a single wall exposed to afternoon sunshine, it can be finished within 1 -2 days.
    And no mess inside/outside. And it really has helped, the inside block wall temperature equivalent to inside wall of a double block wall with a gap in-between, hence Cool Thai House.

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    How long are you going back for Wasp? It's the cool season now so it's not hot so if your holiday is fairly short, you don't need to spend lots on trying to keep cool. It's pleasantly warm during the day time and pleasantly cool at night. No need for air-con.
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    Some never acclimate to tropical climes, regardless.
    Think too much.

    Occasional part-timers need not apply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    How long are you going back for Wasp? It's the cool season now so it's not hot so if your holiday is fairly short, you don't need to spend lots on trying to keep cool. It's pleasantly warm during the day time and pleasantly cool at night. No need for air-con.
    Well Nev my best oldest buddy , you must be well acclimatised .
    I'll be there 7 weeks . The only other times that I was there was always the same ...... January February . And I find it unbearable from 10:30 am until about 4 o'clock . I have probably 6 cold showers a day and I drink maybe 12 cans of chilled tonic water .
    If they came in Packs of 14 I'd drink 14.
    Even Missy was Skyping me back in England last January to say she couldn't sleep because of the heat .
    There's a window in that wall .
    Put your hand on it in the afternoon and you can't keep it there it's so hot . The walls are single block and they keep the heat a LONG time . If I was staying I certainly would have at least a room set aside with air con or maybe the whole house .
    So if this is the cooler time in Thailand I wouldn't get through the hotter times .



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    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao View Post
    Some never acclimate to tropical climes, regardless.
    Think too much.

    Occasional part-timers need not apply.
    Nothing to do with thinking too much .
    Everything to do with there being a lot of heat and no breezy winds to move it around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    This is definitely the easiest, cheapest and fastest way.
    I did it on a single wall exposed to afternoon sunshine, it can be finished within 1 -2 days.
    And no mess inside/outside. It really has helped . The inside block wall temperature is equivalent to the inside wall of a double block wall with a gap in-between, hence Cool Thai House.

    Thank you for your answer Klondeee .

    Applying my mind to this I did think that there might be more effect by putting this on the outside .... just as you say .
    Disadvantage being it is exposed to torrential rains and plagues of locusts . Next time there is such a plague .
    It just FELT that preventing so much sunshine getting onto the wall might be more cooling than letting the wall get hot and having a barrier on the inside .

    If you did exactly this ...... how thick is your insulation material ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wasp View Post
    Nothing to do with thinking too much .
    Everything to do with there being a lot of heat and no breezy winds to move it around.
    Some are easily annoyed by seemingly exotic surroundings.

    Why bother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao View Post
    Some are easily annoyed by seemingly exotic surroundings.

    Why bother.
    Nothing to do with exoticism .
    Everything to do with a stultifying heat that the Thais also dislike .

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    I used just 1" thick polystyrene white foam in-between 1" thick wooden batten. And the WPC planks. Even if the rainfall gets on it - the roof is well overlapped and it is not watertight - the water will flow thru.




    BTW, the disadvantage of Thai Cool House: Last week the temperature has dropped under 10 deg at night, so the walls do not let any heat in from the daytime sunshine . To the double-block wall a double sweater is needed...

    However, it does not bother me: I have my fireplace in full steam every evening...

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    Hmmmmm ....... Insulation PLUS air conditioning I see !

    I can quite understand the one disadvantage of occasionally being a bit cool . Which is fine by me but Missy certainly don't like cool .

    Thank you Klond .


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    My local (government) hospital here in Oz has recently opened a new wing, several stories high. On the outside of the walls they have some steel / alloy mesh stuff, with space between the mesh and the actual walls. Some non-conductive attachment material in there too I'd imagine to avoid heat transfer. The air in the gap - and it would be a 300mm - 500mm gap from memory - would act as a buffer / insulation against the sun shining on the wall.

    Quite clever I thought - simple method that would save a bit of electricity for the aircon. Sounds like your wooden battens?

    I'd give you a Google link to the hospital but Streetview is not up to date, it only shows the beginnings of a construction site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bindog View Post
    My local hospital here in Oz has recently opened a new wing.
    On the outside of the walls they have some steel / alloy mesh stuff, with space between the mesh and the actual walls. Some non-conductive attachment material in there too I'd imagine to avoid heat transfer. The air in the gap - and it would be a 300mm - 500mm gap from memory - would act as a buffer / insulation against the sun shining on the wall.

    Quite clever I thought - simple method that would save a bit of electricity for the aircon. Sounds like your wooden battens?

    Hi bind .

    I can't picture that system but it sounds interesting. But it's not like the wooden battens . The battens would be flat on the wall .
    No 300mm space behind them to the wall. I would love to SEE it . But you make me think .
    Maybe just have a Venetian Blind system well away from the wall .

    Klondyke said he had an occasional time when the permanent cover on the walls made it a bit TOO cool so Maybe I need to be more flexible .

    Thanks again ....... and Happy New Year also !!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wasp View Post
    Hi bind .

    I can't picture that system but it sounds interesting. But it's not like the wooden battens . The battens would be flat on the wall .
    No 300mm space behind them to the wall. I would love to SEE it . But you make me think .
    Maybe just have a Venetian Blind system well away from the wall .

    Klondyke said he had an occasional time when the permanent cover on the walls made it a bit TOO cool so Maybe I need to be more flexible .

    Thanks again ....... and Happy New Year also !!!!


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    Happy new year to you too.

    Yeah, my Isaan in-laws have been bitching about the cold recently - posting LINE app photos of themselves wrapped in blankets. But it has been pretty chilly.

    I grew up in Northern Australia. Winter was the two weeks of the year we wore long pants. BRRRR!

    Dropped in to my local hospital to take photos of what I meant, but it is not as I remember. I must have seen the framework in place prior to the cladding going on. What is there looks identical (same colour even) to the 'Exterior Sunshade Terracotta Ceramic External Wall Tiles' provided by this manufacturer:


    https://www.alibaba.com/product-deta....37b8834k2mV75


    What I was remembering was more like this:


    I worked in an office complex that had similar to the latter, they are effective and don't effect the outlook much at all - we soon got used to looking "though" them. I've seen similar small-scale slightly-off-the-wall shade devices for houses somewhere too, might have been on an "eco house" website or similar. It was more a mesh / arty / feature wall type of thing attached to the west-facing wall, not so much the "industrial" one as in my photo.

    Well, I cannot get the formatting right after adding the photos, it's all over the shop. Meh.

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    The 'Houzz' website is a good source of ideas, so many photos. I can just never seem to pin down my search terms. Again, meh.

    Searched for 'exterior sunshade'. Lots of shade sails etc., but there are some cladding-type ideas. Some of them ugly enough to be right at home in a Thai village too!

    https://www.houzz.com.au/photos/quer...unshade/nqrwns





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    TWO WEEKS wearing long pants ! Poor you . I grew up in Northern England . More like TEN MONTHS wearing long pants with long pants underneath !
    Used to wake up and find ice on the INSIDE of the windows . And I loved it ! I can breathe . It's the same feeling you get when you are in Thailand and you walk into a chilled 7/11 . Lovely . The heat just makes me drink and sleep .

    These pictures ..... EXCELLENT .

    Thank you for going to the trouble . There's no point asking people and not listening so when Klondike ( and your family ) say they get a bit cool I must allow it can happen and I'm inclined now to these Venetian Slat things .

    Thank you again .


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    What's the roof like, Wasp? A lot of heat can come through the roof in Thailand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bindog View Post
    exterior sunshade
    Trees and shubs work well for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [COLOR=#00ffff
    Neverna[/COLOR];3688763]What's the roof like, Wasp? A lot of heat can come through the roof in Thailand.

    I haven't given any attention to the roof .

    That wall to which I refer ..... is as hot as a brick pizza oven and the glass windows are phenomenally hot .

    Obviously the glass does cool ...... but the brick wall stays hot well into the night.

    My logic says to me that surely any heat on the roof is going to rise up , up and away ?
    Inside the room there is a rather nice false ceiling of plasterboard with spotlights so there is a gap between that and the roof .
    The roof is not metal .... so all in all I'm not thinking to do anything there .
    Do something about the wall and window and then see how things are , I think .


    Wasp PS Re: Trees and Shrubs . This is all on the 1st Floor . Trees and shrubs are not possibles though they'd be pleasant.

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