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    Quote Originally Posted by Koetjeka View Post
    Very nice ceremony, I've seen it once when they started to built the temple across the road from my house, it's very similar to this.

    Judging from the close-up the quality of rebar seems to be good, they've actually used rebar with those little "ribs" so the grip with the concrete is ensured (note that this obviously doesn't say anything about strength of the steel). I rarely see rebar like this in Thailand.
    Glad you brought that up. Yes there is some pretty crap rebar around and it is not always sold cheaper than the good stuff either.

    The first load of the stuff was delivered to our site....but before they even started unloading the truck my project manager was up inspecting it. He told them to take it back and send us the stuff he ordered, which really pissed off the driver and mate.

    The rebar we are getting is really top quality and it is always inspected before unloading.....just like everything else. That's why hiring a top-notch construction pro...is well worth the money. He's actually saved me a small fortune. I would never attempt to do a project like this myself. I though I had researched everything and really knew my stuff.....but the more we get into it the more I realize just how little I really knew....

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    Enjoying a great thread. Good luck for the rest of the build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by koman
    Oh then there is the hunter/tracker who takes care of lizards, snakes and anything of that nature that has a mind to invade the premises......
    I see your wife put a bell on the poor pussy; how is he/she supposed to creep up on birds now???

    I couldn't see any of the pics on # 24...

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    Quote Originally Posted by koman
    Seriously, in this part of the world you have to build walls and/or fences around everything. Land which is not walled or fenced is viewed by the locals as common land...and they will wander freely over it complete with herds of cows....use it as a short-cut to everywhere.....
    Not to mention that the neighbours will steal your land, build stuff on your land, etc, it will cause grief...

    Quote Originally Posted by koman
    3.5 Rai
    Nice size to live in.

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    Another thing about walls......this land has been filled and raised well above the surrounding area....which means that in the wet season you get a lot of run-off and erosion around the perimeter. A good sturdy wall will prevent the erosion (acts as a retaining wall) and if you do it right and leave drainage ditches along the base of the wall you don't end up giving all your fill to the next door neighbours....and the run off can be directed into the pond at the rear of the property....
    Excellent explanation; well thought through.

    Quote Originally Posted by koman
    That's why hiring a top-notch construction pro...is well worth the money.
    Yes, I mentioned it before, seems like a good route forward.

    Now, where are those bloody pics??? I will reload the page and see if they work this time...
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    [QUOTE=Bettyboo;2640293]
    Quote Originally Posted by koman

    I couldn't see any of the pics on # 24...
    WTF...there were there yesterday and now they have vanished....Photobucket says I moved them??? Jeez that's about an hours work gone....how can this happen???

    I know we have lots of Photobucket experts on TD......anyone tell me what this is about and how to fix it?

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    Seems a bit ominous that out of all the photos you've uploaded, the only ones to fall victim to the invisible hand
    of gremlins are those having to do with the blessing ceremonies.

    (Cue spooky music from generic Thai ghost movie...)

    You didn't by chance kite the check to the local wat now, did you?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Farang View Post
    Seems a bit ominous that out of all the photos you've uploaded, the only ones to fall victim to the invisible hand
    of gremlins are those having to do with the blessing ceremonies.

    (Cue spooky music from generic Thai ghost movie...)

    You didn't by chance kite the check to the local wat now, did you?



    No.....I would never dare mess with the Wat's check.....

    Problem solved...I think....

    I've never used Photobucket before so I'm in a bit of a learning curve. I had created a little sub-album to store the pics in the proper sequence just for posting. Later on, I deleted the sub-album, not thinking it would also make the pics disappear from TD..... just be thankful they never gave me control of the nuclear arsenal...

    I will try to reconstruct post 24.... cause Bettyboo missed the ceremonial photos.....
    can't have anyone missing out on that....

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    SO, ladies and gentlemen, here is my best shot at a reconstruction of post 24 which lost all it's photos, due to me causing a cockup in Photobucket........



    The site inspection....it has to be decided which pillar to erect first and second....this is a vital procedure and is the only way to ensure disaster from striking the place in the future.



    The Shaman prepares all the special leaves, flowers and other materials necessary to appease the spirits and get the best deal he can from them.



    Some of the blessed leaves are thrown down into the holes from which the pillars of the earth will rise....and hopefully hold up my roof.



    This hole is now well on the way to being holy.....those leaves are powerful medicine..



    A closer look and we see a bit of cash down there.....it's does not have to be a lot of cash....this is just symbolic you know. (maybe a lot of cash would work better but I've not been advised on this matter)



    You can see that this is quite a complex procedure. Lots of different bits and pieces to be assembled. Those box like things made from banana leaf will be buried in the ground at the end of the ceremony. Another important step if you want to do this right.



    The invocations begin in earnest. We need to appease the spirits and ask their indulgence for all the noise and disruption while this twat of a farang builds a house on their land which has remained undisturbed for centuries.



    Nice frontal shot.... just cause I like these pictures.



    The holy water is now poured into each hole....this completes the cleansing and blessing of the holes. If you need any holes blessed this is the man.....



    Now the blessed foliage is placed in a special basket and tied to the rebar structure that will be erected on top of the pylon to form the first house column. There are two of these .....but the first one is the really important one.



    [Lots of willing hands get the first pillar upright in no time...same with the second.





    We had a few visitors drop by for the show. Here they are just leaving. This stuff is a big deal around here.....and with tales of a rich farang involved....well that's not something to be missed.

    Sorry for the mix up with post 24. A few of these pics are different to the ones in 24 and I've added a couple of new ones. I promise not to delete the album this time....

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    Ah... I'm very happy to see that all is well in both your build and your thread.

    May the Gods and the assembled Spirits continue to smile on your endeavors...



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    Great thread Koman - Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by koman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sailing into trouble View Post
    Great adventure and like many these sort of threads are great for the unwashed and unnerved like myself. Have to ask! You paid $12000 for a wall. Why was that? Sorry if you already explained, sort of got into the photos.
    A guy with a 35ft sailboat asking why I would spend $12K on a wall.....

    Seriously, in this part of the world you have to build walls and/or fences around everything. Land which is not walled or fenced is viewed by the locals as common land...and they will wander freely over it complete with herds of cows....use it as a short-cut to everywhere.....well you get the picture. In rural Isaan the villagers have absolutely zero respect for things like privacy.

    Yes the wall was a wee bit expensive but 3.5 Rai is quite a big chunk of land to build around... and besides, some of the rice farmers were on down time and needed work....

    Another thing about walls......this land has been filled and raised well above the surrounding area....which means that in the wet season you get a lot of run-off and erosion around the perimeter. A good sturdy wall will prevent the erosion (acts as a retaining wall) and if you do it right and leave drainage ditches along the base of the wall you don't end up giving all your fill to the next door neighbours....and the run off can be directed into the pond at the rear of the property....
    Got that right, koman. A wall is very useful for keeping out the itinerant yaa baa's, soi dogs and general riff raff too. Don't pay no-never mind to these naysayers - I'm glad I built a 2 met tall wall around my 5 rai which in the end cost more than yours. Plenty of breezes blowing thru but no annoying neighbors 'popping' in unannounced.

    btw, excellent thread and your annotations are clever.
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    Thanks Booners glad you enjoyed it so far.

    Tomorrow we have to go visit a gigantic shop full of kitchen and bathroom stuff....to choose tile and fittings. That should be fun....trying to keep the wife away form the "Hello Kitty" and Donald Duck or Mickey Mouse themes. I saw a big bathroom display there a while back.....a six foot Donald Duck in a sailor suit leading a troop of little yellow ducks all in sailor hats. I mean how can you tear yourself away from décor like that...

    I also see toilet bowls ranging from about 2500Thb to 15000 Thb or more......so this too will be an issue. Does it feel a lot better to shit into a 15K bowl rather than say a 5K bowl? No matter how hard I look at these things, all I see is a bowl to shit in and a tank of water to flush it down... are there fashion statements to be made here or what? I'll take the project manager along for support....I'm pretty sure he's a low cost toilet bowl kind of guy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by koman View Post
    ^

    I also see toilet bowls ranging from about 2500Thb to 15000 Thb or more......so this too will be an issue. Does it feel a lot better to shit into a 15K bowl rather than say a 5K bowl? No matter how hard I look at these things, all I see is a bowl to shit in and a tank of water to flush it down... are there fashion statements to be made here or what? I'll take the project manager along for support....I'm pretty sure he's a low cost toilet bowl kind of guy...

    We splurged on upgraded toilet for our master bathroom and the other 3 have the standard toilet (as I recall) in our house project. My wife has tried out both the one in the master bath and the other standard version. She says it hurts to sit on the standard and wants to replace them with the fancier one we used in the master bath. I want to sit them out myself before making that change. I think we paid ~10K baht for the master bathroom toilet.

    You could always get the Asian squat version...

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    Great Thread Koman, lots og good hints for my house build in Isaan starting early next year, keep it up

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevefarang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by koman View Post
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    I also see toilet bowls ranging from about 2500Thb to 15000 Thb or more......so this too will be an issue. Does it feel a lot better to shit into a 15K bowl rather than say a 5K bowl? No matter how hard I look at these things, all I see is a bowl to shit in and a tank of water to flush it down... are there fashion statements to be made here or what? I'll take the project manager along for support....I'm pretty sure he's a low cost toilet bowl kind of guy...

    We splurged on upgraded toilet for our master bathroom and the other 3 have the standard toilet (as I recall) in our house project. My wife has tried out both the one in the master bath and the other standard version. She says it hurts to sit on the standard and wants to replace them with the fancier one we used in the master bath. I want to sit them out myself before making that change. I think we paid ~10K baht for the master bathroom toilet.

    You could always get the Asian squat version...
    I've had perfectly satisfactory defecations sitting on a horizontal log in the North Ontario bush while on hunting trips....even when the frost is forming on the ground.

    Maybe I'll just go for logs mounted over the Asian squat bowl..... Cheap, rustic and a great conversation starter when guests arrive... Might mount a 30-30 Winchester on the wall to add to the effect.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by koman View Post
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    Thanks Booners glad you enjoyed it so far.

    Tomorrow we have to go visit a gigantic shop full of kitchen and bathroom stuff....to choose tile and fittings. That should be fun....trying to keep the wife away form the "Hello Kitty" and Donald Duck or Mickey Mouse themes. I saw a big bathroom display there a while back.....a six foot Donald Duck in a sailor suit leading a troop of little yellow ducks all in sailor hats. I mean how can you tear yourself away from décor like that...

    I also see toilet bowls ranging from about 2500Thb to 15000 Thb or more......so this too will be an issue. Does it feel a lot better to shit into a 15K bowl rather than say a 5K bowl? No matter how hard I look at these things, all I see is a bowl to shit in and a tank of water to flush it down... are there fashion statements to be made here or what? I'll take the project manager along for support....I'm pretty sure he's a low cost toilet bowl kind of guy...
    If there are any Thai Watsadu Centers in your area, check 'em out. I've recently discovered they have more 'stuff' than your Home Pro or Home Marts and their prices are better in some areas like electrical fixtures. Then again, not all Home Pro stores stock the same amount of 'stuff' either. Kinda like the difference between a regular Lotus and a Lotus Extra.

    Have fun!

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    Quote Originally Posted by koman
    I also see toilet bowls ranging from about 2500Thb to 15000 Thb or more......so this too will be an issue. Does it feel a lot better to shit into a 15K bowl rather than say a 5K bowl?
    I did some research in this area, and decided that if you go for an ok brand at a decent pricepoint then you'll do fine. The expensive ones are a complete waste of money. I checked this out with my mother because she is one of those people who has an excellent eye for house renovation/building, as well as plenty of experience in house renovation/building, she also has a lot more money than me, and almost always spends load on quality products (my sofa was about 3,000 baht, her sofa was about 10,000 pounds; mine is shite and gets thrown away every 2 years, it's uncomfortable and orrible; hers is 15 years old and still looks like new, is really comfortable and looks great...), so I expected her to go with the top end bogs. But, to my surprise, in the 2 bathrooms she has built onto her home in the last few years, she said she bought quality lowish cost stuff. So, my mummy says, and she knows, don't waste your money on fancy bogs... Now, if you lot could see (I might look for some pics) the tiling job my dad did on those 2 bathrooms then you'd be well impressed - one is affectionaly known as the Cistern Chappel... My dad is one of those blokes that does everything, takes his time, but always does a fantastic job; central heating systems, electricity, roof, bathrooms, painting, carpetting... He was a policeman before retiring...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by koman
    I also see toilet bowls ranging from about 2500Thb to 15000 Thb or more......so this too will be an issue. Does it feel a lot better to shit into a 15K bowl rather than say a 5K bowl?
    I did some research in this area, and decided that if you go for an ok brand at a decent pricepoint then you'll do fine. The expensive ones are a complete waste of money. I checked this out with my mother because she is one of those people who has an excellent eye for house renovation/building, as well as plenty of experience in house renovation/building, she also has a lot more money than me, and almost always spends load on quality products (my sofa was about 3,000 baht, her sofa was about 10,000 pounds; mine is shite and gets thrown away every 2 years, it's uncomfortable and orrible; hers is 15 years old and still looks like new, is really comfortable and looks great...), so I expected her to go with the top end bogs. But, to my surprise, in the 2 bathrooms she has built onto her home in the last few years, she said she bought quality lowish cost stuff. So, my mummy says, and she knows, don't waste your money on fancy bogs...
    I think your Mum and I would get along very well. I also tend to buy the best quality things I can find/afford. I'm not building a low budget place here but I don't believe in wasting money on things that add no real value ....like big pretentious bowls to shit in. I've actually sat down on a lot of these things in the shops.....much to the amusement of the staff....and I'm damned if I can find any great difference between the most expensive and the least expensive....as far as practicality is concerned. Ideally, I'd like to find a shitter that looks like it cost about 29K but sells for 3K....

    We will return to this subject in due course..... comfortable shits are important ...I don't want to sell myself short on this...

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    Quote Originally Posted by koman View Post
    Maybe I'll just go for logs mounted over the Asian squat bowl..... Cheap, rustic and a great conversation starter when guests arrive... Might mount a 30-30 Winchester on the wall to add to the effect.....
    Termites my friend...those damn hungry Thai termites !!

    Go native local and use bamboo pieces split in half !!

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    Well, I managed to get through the toilet buying trip without any serious damage. I've never really paid much attention to toilet bowls before so the variety and price range was quite overwhelming. As I suspected, the wife was leaning heavily towards the 20K plus end of the range and I was hovering around the 2-5K range....but I decided to get creative and play a little game.

    I had my wife close her eyes while I let her to a series of toilet bowls and had her sit down on each of them..... Needless to say this created quite a stir and I think at least half the staff of about 100 were witnesses to this event....with many of them wetting their underwear in the process.

    They had bowls that cost 30K.......with the very bottom of the range coming in at 1999Thb. Once the wife had actually stated (with witnesses) that bowl number 73 felt just as comfortable as bowl 289....and 41 was just as comfortable as 89 .... I had it nailed...

    We ended up with a 7000 and a 4500 unit. I asked the sales staff to tell me what the difference was between these 20K-30K bowls and the mid range 3-10K ones. There was much frantic consultation and scanning of toiled bowl literature but nobody could come up with anything that sounded in the least convincing. I opened up the tanks.....examined the internal fittings only to discover that they were all basically the same. There were a few lame comments about "quite flush" and things like that......as if I'm going to fork out an extra ten grand just so the bloody toilet is quieter....

    The only conclusion I can arrive at is that it's more about fashion than anything else. It's a bit like the reasons some women's dresses cost many thousands of dollars while others that look and function just as well can be had for a fraction of the cost of the 'designer' ones that have some gay frog's name on the label.

    We also bought all kinds of other bathroom stuff...water heaters, shower heads, cabinets and things like that. ....and I found a really cool reverse osmosis water filter for the kitchen for 7500Thb (the last time I tried to buy the same unit it was 12,000Thb) and some really nice outside lights, and on and on........and ended up with a free coffee maker....

    Not a bad day out....once again the project manager came through with some great advise and input....but it cost me a 450 baht lunch because he brought his wife along too....

    I'll get back to the photo's shortly......these buying trips can take the steam out a guy for while.....

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    Nice one Koman, your coming along mate, BTW by the time your finished you'll be on first name terms in most the local DIY shops

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    Quote Originally Posted by nigelandjan View Post
    Nice one Koman, your coming along mate, BTW by the time your finished you'll be on first name terms in most the local DIY shops
    Yes, I'm well on my way to celebrity status in some of the building supply shops....

    Now that I'm reasonably well recovered from the financial damages of yesterdays excursion into the premises of building supply centers......we can get back to a few photos.



    After a frantic day of activity following the blessings ceremony on Nov 7th, the early dawn of Nov 8th....shows an eerie scene. Looks like something from the imagination of HG Wells...or John Wyndham. Are those Triffids out there, or is it "War of the Worlds" ??



    Once full daylight arrives, things look a bit less sinister.....



    The "Triffids" look a lot less harmless now.....



    Now it's time to dig trenches connecting the steel pillars. In these trenches we will build the concrete footing walls. The plan calls for some seriously heavy rebar and very substantial amounts of poured concrete which we will see later.



    We are equal opportunity employers. All the genders are represented here....including the ones "in between". Damn good worker no matter what....



    Over in the fabrication department things are going flat out.....and this worker is definitely female.



    Over in a different division of the fabrication department two male workers are preparing the forms into which the ready-mix concrete will be poured. I've visited many building sites where they were using old scrap wood and all kinds of crap to make forms.....this crew is making everything from new material.



    I was quite mystified by this arrangement... I wonder if anyone can guess what this is. The secret will be revealed at a later date...never fear.



    While the fabrication department creates all kinds of marvels...the trench digging progresses slowly...this is hard work.



    I think the foreman forgot to tell this poor bugger when to stop...and he's going down without his shoes too......



    As always, the checking and measuring goes on without fail. Farangs use Lasers and and all kinds of hi-tek shit to measure things.....Thai's use plastic tubes half full of water .....works just fine.



    Looks a bit like the aftermath of 9/11....but it's just the crew burning off some debris.....Thai's burn everything. I think the local village probably contributes more to global air pollution that Bejing...



    Of course it's not all work out here. A large contingent from the great city of Khon Kaen came to participate in the dedication of the new temple buildings....so a whole range of competitive sports was arranged. The big event was a football (soccer) game between the village and the hot-shot big city visitors....



    A KhonKaen striker is streaking towards the village net.....so send in a few spectators to neutralize him.......this is not the Spanish League or that tedious EPL crap.... this is real football... no rules, no referee....



    The village defence is clearing the ball from the danger zone......it also helps that they have four or five people in goal, one of whom seems to be checking her text messages.......



    ....and for the workers, the command and control center has video games for the off-duty staff.... and somebody has brought a guitar. This is such a good work site we have Wall St. investment bankers wanting to resign just so they can come here and dig trenches ...

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    rebar spacers :-)

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    Very nice; everything looks like good quality and top end workers. You seem to have an excellent crew - in fact, I've never seen anything like it, quite amazing...

    Well done with the toilet and bathroom gear - you have lost nothing with those sensible purchases.

    Question: why are the women allowed to play football.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo
    Question: why are the women allowed to play football.
    I think because they run the place....and they seem to be better at most things than the men.....including the local version of football........

    ..of course this does not apply to any western country where they need affirmative action programs and unlimited pampering to allow them to compete with the old boys networks and glass ceilings that us guys came up with just to keep them out of their rightful places as bank CEO's and supreme court judges.......

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