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    To hire or not to hire a building project manager

    A friend of mine has just given me the book" How to buy land & build a house in Thailand", written by Phillip Bryce.
    On chapter 9 page 96, the author has written a section on project managers which reads:

    "If your not living in Thailand full time or you are not supervising the building yourself, you should definitely consider hiring a local project manager.

    The project manager is usally a native English (or your language) speaking person with a background in construction, who has lived, and supervised the building of houses in your area and has some building experience from the west.

    Project managers usally charge a 25% fee on top of the total cost of your project. For that they will help you hire a builder, supervise the building process and help with the purchase of building materials. They will do project planning & scheduling of deliveries, and may do budgeting and
    handling of payments"


    This author who has no connection to me whatsoever I might ad, has hit the nail completley on the head in my eyes, this is only 3 paragraphs from this section, but he clearly makes a very good point.

    The complete book which in itself is also very good.

    If you do a search on google for the author name there is numerous places you can buy this book as well as online. I have also seen it for sale in Asia books & Bookazine


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    I agree completely

    it is a big mistake in Thailand, or anywhere else, to let the builders alone.

    They need guidance by someone who understands exactly what YOU want

    Even with a PM, builders often just do things their own way, given half a chance. At least then the PM can make them do it again the proper way.

    If there is no-one checking daily on the work, their mistake can be built in to the structure making it difficult or impossible to change later.

    anyone need a PM in Chiang Mai? my wife would be happy to oblige; she is just finishing managing building our house, with great success and not a little stress. Even with excellent builders, she has had to visit daily and make decisions for them.
    I have reported your post

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    Quote Originally Posted by dickie
    Project managers usally charge a 25% f
    Sounds a bit high, and it's usually the Architect role to supervise work and construction, at least in the civilized world. Since there is no architect in this country, we have foremen, but they don't do shit.

    Architects usually charge no more than 12% to 15%

    25% for a supervisor is completely outrageous, unless he is doing some work himself.

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    Not many farangs opt for professional help as they are being led around by thier bollocks by bargirls. It seems as though in general a farang is happy to waste a lot of money on bad ideas rather than pay a little extra to get a decent end product.

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    Not many farangs opt for professional help as they are being led around by thier bollocks by bargirls.
    My thoughts entirely - Thailand is full of all sorts of scam farang dreamers claiming to be 'professionals'.

    They might enjoy having some bar girl lead them around by the bollocks, but not I'd not want them doing it at my expense.

    Hire a reputable local Thai architect, check out his previous jobs before signing a contract, and get a good job done at a fraction of the price.

    If anyone tells you there are no reputable Thai architects, ask yourself why are they telling you such utter bollocks?

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    Paying 25 percent does seem a bit much to me, if I remember rightly in the real world the architect would see the job thru for just under 10 percent, but looking at it this way, you have the building company working on a 20 percent profit, then the project manager getting 25 percent, it's getting to be quite an expensive job.

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    20% profit for the builder seems very reasonable, I was expecting more like 30% to 45%

    Most Architects will ask 15%, at least the very good ones.

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    shit, why hire one to watch and supervise when the BG will be there most of the time and her father who is the contractor, Brothers and her cousins will only do it the Thai way anyhow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by dickie
    Project managers usally charge a 25% f
    Sounds a bit high, and it's usually the Architect role to supervise work and construction, at least in the civilized world. Since there is no architect in this country, we have foremen, but they don't do shit.

    Architects usually charge no more than 12% to 15%

    25% for a supervisor is completely outrageous, unless he is doing some work himself.
    yeah, that would be very high. As for Architects, they obviously do exist and you can get them relatively cheaply. I paid mine on the last job about 1% of the build value, just for the drawings and getting planning permission approved

    to see the whole job through he would have been very happy with 10%; I am sure you can negotiate a reasonable price without referring to the build costs

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy
    yeah, that would be very high. As for Architects, they obviously do exist and you can get them relatively cheaply. I paid mine on the last job about 1% of the build value, just for the drawings and getting planning permission approved
    I pay 1 to 3 percent depending on the legality of the building, ie to near to your perimeter wall, lifts in private homes etc.

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    I made the orignal post but it was only an article out of a book as I clearly stated.

    By posting the article I was just trying to make the point that a Project manager is needed if your having a place built & are unable to supervise it yourself for whatever reason

    I am also a project manager as some of the members already know, I also consider 25% a bit high, I would have thought to project manage a good quality house 4 million baht ++ your talking 12 to 15% max.
    A lot of Archtects charge 3 to 5% to do drawings, although I do no one in BKK who does very upmarket commercial work like the new Amari hotel in Pattaya & the Mantra pub, & he charges something like 12%, a lot of archtects only want to do drawings, & the ones who say they will also manage the job will only visit the site once a week at most, if there BKK based it would be more like every other week.
    There are a few archtects out there who will charge a fixed fee for drawings, but they are starting to get few & far between

    Whether they are Thai or a Farang does not really matter, the important thing is having a very good reputable builder.
    There are some very good Thai archtects out there, although not that many in Pattaya??
    Last edited by dickie; 09-05-2007 at 07:00 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dickie
    There are some very good Thai archtects out there, although not that many in Pattaya??
    Not many though. A Thai architect is more of an interior designer. I would recommend getting the basic design done by a foreign architect before moving to a local guy to sort out the 'nuts & bolts'.

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    Check out CPS-Costruction in Jomtien (web site same name) he has projects on going & you can check out his work etc. He's expat English plod but a good guy. Work is extremely good

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy View Post
    I agree completely

    it is a big mistake in Thailand, or anywhere else, to let the builders alone.
    Yeah, you cannot trust those dodgy builders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog View Post
    Not many though. A Thai architect is more of an interior designer. I would recommend getting the basic design done by a foreign architect before moving to a local guy to sort out the 'nuts & bolts'.
    You have been talking to the wrong people Marmite

    Thai architects are just that, not interior designers. They have to calculate the structural components of any building as well as design the building to your requirements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy
    You have been talking to the wrong people Marmite
    I know. Those western architects, eh?

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