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    First time build advise needed

    My first post folks so please forgive me if I'm in the wrong subject area etc.

    I'm thinking of building a two bedroom house in Nong Bua Rawe, Chaiyaphum.
    I've no idea what to do at all I'm totally clueless about prices, materials etc. It would be built on my girls land on her parents farm.
    She perhaps naively tells me you don't need permission or planing approval to do this, I can't see that though.
    Her father is a so called builder but even though I've been there a few times I remember water flooding in through the doors sometimes. I can't say about the build quality, it looked nice enough but I was in a Chang haze most of the time. I also want to see all the bills should I decide to use him.
    Can anyone advise me what is meant by x amount of thousand baht per meter square?
    Does that include materials? I would more than likely use an off the shelf plan. Also is what she says true?
    I've a bad feeling I might cock this all up if I don't take control of it all.

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    ^well, start by reading through the building thread. Make a list of things that you like and things that you don't like. Make a list of things that can go wrong, make a plan of how to stop them going wrong. Then start your build. Good luck.

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    Welcome to the forum, and really no genuine question is "stupid".

    Sadly the forum expert on building is no longer with us.

    The only contribution I can make is that bills are worthless here. If someone wants to cheat you out of money then they can easily find a supplier who will provide any amount of bills and split the money you hand over without the goods ever being delivered.

    In Thailand, more than anywhere, trust has to be earned.
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    Best of luck,study the building forum on here,and renember the old age sage advice repeated consistently on here. Never spend more than what you are prepared to loose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wasabi
    Never spend more than what you are prepared to loose.
    Don't know if it's allowed to give this kind of advice at all

    Think more than twice before you build at all

    Could be that you are blinded by the light

    It would be built on my girls land on her parents farm.
    She perhaps naively tells me you don't need permission or planing approval to do this, I can't see that though.
    Lose
    It's the trap set for you

    You might not walk away from your "investment"

    Try suggest another location for your build

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    by no mean an expert builder advise here but an expert thai expat with over 25 years in the kingdom

    my best advise to you would be build (or purchase) your house where you really want to live, on a plot that you really like and, of course, near people you want to share the rest of your life with.... the rest can be figured out.....

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    ^

    Aircut's adivice is totally on the money. I keep getting plagued with "why don't you buy this, that, whatever." When I retire and decide where I want to live the rest of my days I will buy something, but not before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryzr
    I would more than likely use an off the shelf plan.
    You are assuming that the builder can read a plan.
    Many thai builders can't follow a plan and you end up getting what they want rather than what you want.

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    ^

    Even if they can read a plan doesn't mean they would follow it. The builder may have a better idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge
    Think more than twice before you build at all
    Agree. Always pressure to build right away. Rent a place in Chaiyaphum for a year. Check out the area and look around for houses that appeal to you. Find out who built and get quote.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harryzr
    Her father is a so called builder but even though I've been there a few times I remember water flooding in through the doors sometimes.
    Everyone is a builder in Thailand. Don't go there. If you do decide to build get someone outside your village. A builder who has built something appeals to you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harryzr
    I've a bad feeling I might cock this all up if I don't take control of it all.
    Sound thinking.

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    spend everyday at the site, then u have a 75% chance it will be done the way u want it.
    DO NOT trust it to ur partner

    GO and source out what u want on ur own ( there are plenty of home pros everywhere), than allow ur contractor to go an get it. He will of course make 10% or so on the purchase, but at least u will not be screwed to badly
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    A cheap finish to a country style build will be 5 to 10k baht per meter, labor and materials. labor is about 2k per meter.
    Sky is the limit upwards depending on what you are building.

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    Spend some time there mate ,, do you " really " want to live in the sticks .?

    Spend some time in other areas to if you can i.e. near to the coast with some form of civilisation and other people from your home Country to socalise a bit with .

    Its so nice after a while to be able to speak with someone in fluent sentences , instead of part sentances repeated forever

    Seem like little things , but could grind over time
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    Sorry BTW welcome to TD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryzr
    Can anyone advise me what is meant by x amount of thousand baht per meter square? Does that include materials?
    it means an approx price for the build, and can be for labour only, for labour and materials

    and then you can add fittings

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by helge
    Think more than twice before you build at all
    Agree. Always pressure to build right away. Rent a place in Chaiyaphum for a year. Check out the area and look around for houses that appeal to you. Find out who built and get quote.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harryzr
    Her father is a so called builder but even though I've been there a few times I remember water flooding in through the doors sometimes.
    Everyone is a builder in Thailand. Don't go there. If you do decide to build get someone outside your village. A builder who has built something appeals to you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harryzr
    I've a bad feeling I might cock this all up if I don't take control of it all.
    Sound thinking.
    Everyone is a builder in Thailand. Don't go there.

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    All good advice above, rural living is not for most, takes a special type of crazy to live in the sticks, I know, as I live in the boonies.
    Go live with the in laws for a month, if you aren't drinking whiskey and contemplating suicde after a month, you may be OK.

    You need a building permit, just like the west and if it's farm land you won't get it.
    Thais and farangs build on farm land without permission all the time, for most there will be no problem, but if there is ever a problem, your illegal.

    As suggest order your own material, builder will tell you what he needs, you go and buy. We did things by the job, how much per meter concrete laid, how much per meter tiles etc

    Local builders are OK, house won't fall down, finish will be crap, plumbing and electricity try and find someone other than the village idiot. Jim

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    Thanks for your welcome and all your replies so far, many points taken on board.
    I'm already thinking on the same lines as a lot of you. I'm going in November for 3 or 4 months and ill use this time to really get to know the place better and get a feel for my idea.
    There'll be no rushing into things even though I can afford to lose what I'm going to put in. I've had way too many problems in life to go thinking about every tiny detail though. At the end of the day your health is more important than a pile of bricks. I have an escape route in place already.

    One question for now anyway! Is she right in saying we wouldn't need any kind of permission to build on her own land?
    I can't see that but to be fair to her she's never mentioned anything about building a house, it's been my idea for a while. She says come and think hard about it in November and be sure it's what you want. Fair enough I think.

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    Sorry James didn't see your reply on needing a building permit! It's farmland so I think I'm stopped dead in my tracks already!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryzr View Post
    Thanks for your welcome and all your replies so far, many points taken on board.
    I'm already thinking on the same lines as a lot of you. I'm going in November for 3 or 4 months and ill use this time to really get to know the place better and get a feel for my idea.
    There'll be no rushing into things even though I can afford to lose what I'm going to put in. I've had way too many problems in life to go thinking about every tiny detail though. At the end of the day your health is more important than a pile of bricks. I have an escape route in place already.

    One question for now anyway! Is she right in saying we wouldn't need any kind of permission to build on her own land?
    I can't see that but to be fair to her she's never mentioned anything about building a house, it's been my idea for a while. She says come and think hard about it in November and be sure it's what you want. Fair enough I think.
    If you are talking about building in the village, many on here have built without obtaining a building permit. I seriously doubt anyone in your village obtained any permits and there is no regulation to what you build either. No building inspectors, and many builders will cut corners which is why you need to be onsite.

    If you ever do build in a city, then I would advise obtaining a permit.
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    Have a drive around in the local area,when you see a house you like, go and knock on the door and ask who built it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryzr View Post
    Sorry James didn't see your reply on needing a building permit! It's farmland so I think I'm stopped dead in my tracks already!!
    No , it's not stopped in your tracks, what ever you build is hers. Unless someone gets pissed of with her/family or a government department has reason to want to clear the land, house is safe.
    You are not building a house, you are giving your G/F a gift, by law, if she uses the money to buy a car, go to Lao or build a house, that's up o her.
    Any money you give is hers, you are not building a house she is.

    Money better spent on hotels and good times, for you, different if you are moving here and marrying, then you want to leave your wife something. Jim

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    I can breathe a sigh of relief now! Im so glad I started on here, I've found the right place for good advice. I get your point exactly Jim, it's a gift for her your right.

    I've had enough wild times in my life and I need a peaceful one now. The big test is going to be living out there for 3 or 4 months. In the past I've been up there for 3 weeks usually and I enjoyed it which is nothing like enough to really know if I can hack it.

    A drive round is going to be a must. Thanks everyone I'm going to look at some plans and ask your views again soon.

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    I built in the sticks with no official permit but also employed all local labor including some of the pooyai baan's relatives.

    All good advice above but most importantly, the bit about living in that area for a year or so to see if it's to your liking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryzr
    At the end of the day your health is more important than a pile of bricks. I have an escape route in place already.
    oh dear....thinking like that already!

    Quote Originally Posted by Harryzr
    Is she right in saying we wouldn't need any kind of permission to build on her own land?
    Thais build all the time without permission

    Usually, it is very easy and quick to get permission in the country; we built on farmland and got permission in one week - in the city it took about four or five

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