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    Title deed

    Hello to all.

    We, I and my wife have been offered some land at a quite favorable price.

    The thing is i do not have the slightest idea about the title yhe land holds.

    It is Por Bor Tor 5.

    Searching the net gives some information, but no answer to theese questions:

    - can land with this title legally be sold?
    - and if so, will thw new owner have full rights and possession of the land?
    - can the land be sub devided?
    - can you legally build on the land?

    The land ' owner ' has of course told us all about potential upgrades af titles,
    just a matter of visiting the puje ban...... Building ? No problems etc. etc

    Bottum line, my money my concern. Do nayone have the answers?

    Thank you and for all we wish a nice evening.

    Rasmus

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    por tor bor 5 is not a title deed.

    it says basically that a person has paid taxs on the land and has occupied a utilized it.

    unless you have major pull with the land office to upgrade it is a no go.

    you most certainly cannot get approval to build on it

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    It is like t.s. says. It is government land that can be worked/farmed. You cannot own it or sell it. Although thais frequently pay money to others, who of course do not own it, to use it.
    The government can decide to use the land for whatever purpose they chose at any time and you have no claim whatsoever. Stay well clear. The only land you should consider would have either the deed Nor Sor 3 Gor or Nor Sor 4, Chanot. These are measured, Chanot with gps, and can be legally bougth and sold.

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    Chanot title is the best you can buy. It's all singing and dancing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gammelnok
    The thing is i do not have the slightest idea about the title yhe land holds.
    Then buying any land ain't for you. Don't get misled by the missus. If you ain't a farmer then stay clear, in my opinion.

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    You cannot own it or sell it. Although thais frequently pay money to others
    Last edited by dewokibo; 16-01-2013 at 04:17 PM.

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    Once again this question of ownership pops up. The reality is unless one has a chanote then one's chances of having every thing taken away is greatly increased.

    I have personally have known falangs that have taken this route and a few have had no problems (for now); some have lost all.

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    30-08-2007, 01:51 PM # (Land advice - chanote or not??)3 (permalink (Land advice - chanote or not??)) Sebastien
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    Land title deeds in Thailand are divided into 4 categories as follows:

    1. Freehold Title Deed (Chanote or Nor Sor 4)

    This type of title grants the holder of this document the full right over the land. The holder has absolute authority over the land. Thus, if you are planning to buy land in Thailand, this type of title deed is the best option.

    2. Nor Sor 3 Gor

    A land awaiting a full title deed is granted the document Nor Sor 3 Kor. The land is measured by the Land Department; therefore, it has its exact boundaries. The owner knows exactly what he owns. This type of land may be sold, transferred, or mortgaged, as a land with freehold title deed (Chanote). The owner of the land may file a petition to the Land Department demanding to change it to a full title deed (Chanote), and the Land Department may do so if there is no opposition made against the petition.

    NOTE: The person whose name appears as the owner of Nor Sor 3 Kor has a right to transfer, sell, dispose of and mortgage the Land upon registration with the relevant local land department in accordance with the Land Code and other regulations, notifications and announcements relating to it. Any transaction in connection with the real property (except where the lease is not more than 3 years) must be registered with the relevant local land authority and will be shown at the back of Nor Sor 3 Gor.

    3. Nor Sor 3

    Same as Nor Sor 3 Gor except that the land with Nor Sor 3 has never yet been measured by the Land Department; hence the land has no exact boundaries. However, Nor Sor 3 may later be switched to a Nor Sor 3 Gor, then a freehold title deed (Chanote) in the future although; transfer of ownership needs 30 days posting to see if anyone wishes to contest ownership. In practice, neighbors can turn up in this 30-day posting claiming possession of the land.

    4. Possessory Right

    This type of title deed is the least recommended. A land with a possessory right has never been substantiated by Department, but is only recognized by tax payments at the Local Administrative Office, which means no sale, purchase or lease can be registered or building permits allowed. http://teakdoor.com/doing-things-leg...te-or-not.html (Land advice - chanote or not??)
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    Quote Originally Posted by gammelnok View Post
    Hello to all.

    We, I and my wife have been offered some land at a quite favorable price.

    The thing is i do not have the slightest idea about the title yhe land holds.

    It is Por Bor Tor 5.

    Searching the net gives some information, but no answer to theese questions:

    - can land with this title legally be sold?
    - and if so, will thw new owner have full rights and possession of the land?
    - can the land be sub devided?
    - can you legally build on the land?

    The land ' owner ' has of course told us all about potential upgrades af titles,
    just a matter of visiting the puje ban...... Building ? No problems etc. etc

    Bottum line, my money my concern. Do nayone have the answers?

    Thank you and for all we wish a nice evening.

    Rasmus
    The following comes from This Thread, member keg's post #15.

    "Next is Por Bor Tor 5 - This land is either farm or forest land not under ownership or control of the land office. This land is administered by a local village leader who oversees possession rights and boundaries. Sales are carried out under the supervision of this village leader and recorded locally only. This land can't be built upon."
    Purchase Of Por Bor Tor 5 Land? - Real Estate, housing, house and land ownership - Thailand Forum

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    Mrs TizMe owns a couple of houses in Ayutthaya that are on land owned by the local Temple. I assume that there is no official title for the land at all, but her name is registered at the temple and I think she just has to pay 200 baht per year to the temple. As far as I know, the whole village is the same.

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    Actually, there are many places in BKK that use that same system. This includes homes, schools and companies.

    Seems to work...

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