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    Evolution of the Shed

    Sometimes when you are living amongst it things just seem to evolve and you are not really aware of how quickly things are changing. Recently I was home on holiday and was looking through some old photos and realised just how much we have done in the last 3 years.
    For those who have been viewing on this forum while a while may remember my house build thread, for those who haven't seen it here's the link so you can have a look.

    (Ootai's wife builds a house)http://teakdoor.com/construction-in-thailand/70329-ootais-wife-builds-a-house.html

    I haven't updated it for more than a year but the first couple of pages gives more detail about the shed's beginnings.

    Anyway to set the context for this story I will need to repeat a bit what was said in thatthread.

    This is the block behind our original house and shows the skeleton of the shed with the toilet block.


    This is looking back at our original house where we were living when we bought this block of 4 rai so that we could build our new house.


    This is the concrete skeleton we started with, many years before I remeber seeing it when it was completly overgrown so it must have been constructed a fair while ago. We bought the lnad in late 2009. Ouyr plan was to turn this into a shed to use as storage while we built the new house. I tcould also serve as living sapce if needed by the builder/s


    another view of the same


    and again


    a closer view of the toilet and bathroom that was already built.


    This was I liked best as it was a full sized western crapper not like the kids size they had installed in the house we were living in at the time.

    will be continued

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    Nice one mate ,, allways interesting to see what others are out there doing ,, looking forward to the next pics

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    it looks a big fukoff shed!

    lots of tools needed there

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    Looking forward to what kind of skin the skeleton has grown. I need to build a pump house pretty soon to get to some semblance of a permanent water supply.

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    Its nice to know someone is having a look, I am currently away working and decided to do this for something to keep me busy for a while. It has been a while since I posted pictures and it took me quite a long time to work it out again back am now full steam ahead.

    Not a very good picture but the only one I have of the roof steelwork going up


    The roof is on


    Getting the floor ready for concrete. I told the missus that the concrete needed to be a minimum of 100mm (4in) thick so to make sure they dug down enough. However the ground was so hard she siad they were going to have to get a tractor or excavator in so i told her not to worry about it if they just dug down until it was hard. So far 3 years on and we've had no issues.


    same same but different


    In the wall panel closest to the ladder they were supposed to put a door so a person could get in without having to open the big shed doors, but they forgot, I'll show their solution later.


    again same same but different


    this time showing the toilet block as well


    the finished shed from a distance


    a closer look, no door at the back yet still working out what to do becasue they forgot the people door om the side.


    and from the front


    more to come tomorrow if I need to be amused some more

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy View Post
    it looks a big fukoff shed!

    lots of tools needed there
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    didn't see your reply because I was too busy posting the next bit.
    Part of the reason I am doing this thread is to show how things grow here.
    The original shed was 12m x 8m and the roof area has now grown quite considerably so it now really is a bloody big shed but you'll have to wait to that bit.
    As for the tools the missus won'yt buy anymore as people (mainly her family) keep borrowing them and as anyone who has lived in Thailand for a while knows that means your tool kit gets smaller each time. It has however ended up with some of my toys stored there.

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    I don't think I've seen a single slab in any of these construction threads where they have supported the reo off the ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necron99 View Post
    I don't think I've seen a single slab in any of these construction threads where they have supported the reo off the ground.
    Normally it is a simple matter of pulling up the rebar when you are mucking the slab. I checked ours when the crew pulled it up and no way was it settling back down. I see some guys (foreigners, not Thai) building concrete chairs to hold it up but it seems a waste of time to me. The only place we used chairs was in the footings as the rebar was too heavy and too rigid to pull up.
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    Ootai,

    Just visited your original thread for the third or fourth time. Always enjoyable and I miss parts that are instructional as well. I couldn't find where you posted the length of time it took to complete the build? Was it one or two years?

    ^"Standee's work if you can keep the workers from walking all over them. In the final analysis, you have to pull the wire up anyway just for one's peace of mind.

    I never saw one photo of an actual concrete pour. I have to assume all pours (large or small) were hand mix and bucket brigade type?

    Thanks for the entertainment.

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    Cracking shed mate. cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necron99 View Post
    I don't think I've seen a single slab in any of these construction threads where they have supported the reo off the ground.
    as thailazer says in his reply they lay it on the grounf and then lift it as the confete is poured makes it easier to walk over or push a barrow over. My main concern has always been that the mesh they use doesn't add much steel, in the house carport I made them lay 2 sheets offset to each other to give more steel.

    The guy we use to build is pretty good and has always done what I have asked him to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ltnt View Post
    Ootai,

    Just visited your original thread for the third or fourth time. Always enjoyable and I miss parts that are instructional as well. I couldn't find where you posted the length of time it took to complete the build? Was it one or two years?

    ^"Standee's work if you can keep the workers from walking all over them. In the final analysis, you have to pull the wire up anyway just for one's peace of mind.

    I never saw one photo of an actual concrete pour. I have to assume all pours (large or small) were hand mix and bucket brigade type?

    Thanks for the entertainment.
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    The house build took about 9 months, we started of with a builder doing the job but as time when on he started not having workers on site and in the end we got rid of him. So if the days when the builder had no one working and the couple of weeks after we sacked him that we had no one probably lost 6 to 8 weeks.

    As for concrete during the actual house build it was up to the builder how he did it, he did have a mixer on site (see picture) and they used wheelbarrows. Once we took over it depended on the size of the pour I got the missus to use a truck if was more than a cubic metre so all the pathways and driveway were poured in one go using trucks. Probably the resoan there were no photos of the actual pours is because the missus barred me from being there when work was being done to stop me interfering. So far the driveway is the best thing and the guy who did for us did a great job of getting the slopes right as there is never any pooling after it rains.

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    Here's some more pictures as I prefer them to words.

    The finished (at that stage) shed. This is what I call stage 1 we have currently completed stage 3 and I am not sure whether there will be a stage 4 or not.


    Prior to the roller doors being fitted


    same same but different


    after the doors went on from the back


    this was the solution to them forgetting my man door in the sdie panel, split roller doors were installed. Works OK but would still prefer what I originally wanted


    more coming, actually lots more coming it just takes time so I am splitting it up into small bits.

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    these are the last pictures relating to stage 1, the next post (whenever that may be) will be about stage 2

    This while the front wall is being built and after we had finished the rice barn at the back, I made a separate thread about how that was built as well.


    The idea here is that the front gate lined up with one side of the shed doors so that if necessary we could drive straight through the shed to the back of the block


    this shows part of the reason (the excavator) for going to stage 2 started to get too much stuff to fit it all in the shed and then later when we got a truck we had to go to stage 3


    after the front wall had been completed


    looking out from the shed door


    inside looking out


    well hopefully I will post again next year, so until then make sure you all stay safe and enjoy many more new years eve's

    Happy New Year for 2013, sorry 2556 to all

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    Coming along nicely, Ootai!

    Good luck to all your projects.

    Cheers!

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    Well done Ooooooty looking good mate .. huge area of place ,, I would love it but too much for me now mabe in younger days.

    My missus reckons you got a bit of a farmer supply shop going on in there

    Happy NY mate to you and your family may you have many many more
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    Oothai,

    Thanks for the information and clarification on use of Concrete trucks for your major pours. Seems a no brainer when it comes to more than a yard of concrete to be poured, but Thai's like to do it the hard way it seems. Do you recall what you paid per cu.yd.?

    Also interesting was the use of PVC pipe as forms for your round columns instead of sono-tube. Guess that was a builder decision. Must have been interesting when they decided to remove it?

    As for the over-build of the kitchen, you can partition it and make it a study?

    Do you like the "walled in," fence line or would you have preferred the post and wire? I just completed a post and wire fence around my 4 rai and find it offers more free viewing than would an enclosed block fence. Suppose the block fence keeps unwanted visitors out?

    The landscaping was terrific. I think you did a great job there.

    The roof cap was interesting in that they used "screws," as hold downs. My current house utilized cement as the sealer and the hold fast. 9 years now and no complaints. I think minimizing screw holes is wise. Are you experiencing any leaks?

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    great stuff, love these types of thread, keep em coming!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ltnt
    Do you recall what you paid per cu.yd.?
    The modern world uses cubic metres.

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    ^I'm not in any hurry to join you're "modern world."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ltnt
    Do you recall what you paid per cu.yd.?
    The modern world uses cubic metres.
    1760bt was the price I got quoted in September

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    Quote Originally Posted by adzt1
    1760bt was the price I got quoted in September
    That's over $58/cu. mtr., so the trucks were 8 or 10 cu. mtr per load? 18,000 baht per truck. You better be ready to pour for sure.

    You don't happen to know the mix strength do you? 2,000psi, 3,000, or 4,000?

    Thanks,

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    Quote Originally Posted by ltnt View Post
    Oothai,

    Thanks for the information and clarification on use of Concrete trucks for your major pours. Seems a no brainer when it comes to more than a yard of concrete to be poured, but Thai's like to do it the hard way it seems. Do you recall what you paid per cu.yd.?

    Also interesting was the use of PVC pipe as forms for your round columns instead of sono-tube. Guess that was a builder decision. Must have been interesting when they decided to remove it?

    As for the over-build of the kitchen, you can partition it and make it a study?

    Do you like the "walled in," fence line or would you have preferred the post and wire? I just completed a post and wire fence around my 4 rai and find it offers more free viewing than would an enclosed block fence. Suppose the block fence keeps unwanted visitors out?

    The landscaping was terrific. I think you did a great job there.

    The roof cap was interesting in that they used "screws," as hold downs. My current house utilized cement as the sealer and the hold fast. 9 years now and no complaints. I think minimizing screw holes is wise. Are you experiencing any leaks?
    Not exactly sure what we paid somewhere around 1550 to 1650 per cubic metre, for those who want to know one cubic yard is 0.76 of a cubic metre.

    As for the PVC I can't remember taking any notice of how they removed the PVC and don't recall them saying anything that might indicate it was an issue. I assume they just smashed the PVC and broke it off.

    In respect of the oversize kitchen, I could do lots of things BUT the missus doesn't seem to think we need to do anything. At the moment it is the sleeping area for the MIL and the kids ( we always seem to have some extras staying with us). Either way I don't care I go up to the main bedroom at the other end of the house away from the "Thai" end and just enjoy myself.

    As for the "wall" it doesn't go all the way around the house just across the front and down each side a short way. The back is fenced but the view is open. The "backyard" is over 15 rai in total so no way am I going to wall the whole perimeter.

    This first picture shows the "back" gate, the wall ends right at the right edge of the picture where our land does a right angle bend away from the house back to the road. The gate posts are made by using concrete pipe (3x1m) and then making some steel rebar inside and then filling with concrete. They are 1m into the ground. The fence posts I had made, they are 2.8m high so 0.8m in the ground and I had some wire put at 200mm spacing so the barbed wires are only that far apart. I also had rebar put in them for reinforcing not the normal crappy wire they use on their fence posts. Doesn't keep out dogs or chooks but slows down people.


    This shows the fence that runs from the gate along the back of the house. I put 1 large post (same as the gate posts) in the middle of the span, its just near the tree.


    This shows the other side of the house block, once again our land does a right angle bend away from the house here. The wall might look a bit strange with the right angle kink at the end but it is a long span and without the kink would of had little support. The taro growing at the end of the fence is ours/hers


    As for the landscaping it looks a lot better now. I will update that thread one day soon to show what it looks like. The wall actually helps define the "garden" and allows us top keep the front of the house looking sort of tidy.

    And in regard the roof there have not been any issues or leaks that I have been told about, so all good so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ltnt View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by adzt1
    1760bt was the price I got quoted in September
    That's over $58/cu. mtr., so the trucks were 8 or 10 cu. mtr per load? 18,000 baht per truck. You better be ready to pour for sure.

    You don't happen to know the mix strength do you? 2,000psi, 3,000, or 4,000?

    Thanks,
    Itnt
    Everytime we were going to pour concrete I always got the missus to order a little extra and always made sure the guy doing our conrete work had an alternative area to place concrete so we didn't waste the stuff.
    The last pour I remember being there for was 12 cu.m

    As for the strenght, I tried asking her what it was and the reply was it is either floor concrete or wall concrete so anywhere from 1MPa to 25MPa. Sorry I can't use imperial measures like psi. 2000psi is roughly 14MPa so I doubt it was that strong. Working here where I do I have to put up with a lot of Americans and they all use that old fashioned imperial crap so I have conversions tables for everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ltnt View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by adzt1
    1760bt was the price I got quoted in September
    That's over$58 /cu. mtr., so the trucks were 8 or 10 cu. mtr per load? 18,000 baht per truck. You better be ready to pour for sure.

    You don't happen to know the mix strength do you? 2,000psi, 3,000, or 4,000?

    Thanks,
    I didn'tget the mix but i did make sure he was aware that it was for foundations and columns on a two story building
    will not put up wiv the "Nanny state" so don't push it on me.

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