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    Turning a paved-over laundry area into a mini garden

    Not sure if this belongs in the construction forum or the gardening forum, but as most of my concerns are structural I'm putting it here.

    At the back of a townhouse unit is a concreted-over area that was used for drying laundry and as a very basic outside kitchen.

    It ends in a big wall, which should stay as the area behind it is a bit of a wasteland and not attractive to look at. If it ever starts looking better behind the wall then I could consider something like this and make some openings in it. Either way I like the look of the below:



    At the back of this townhouse I think there is enough space to have a small seating area (minature deck perhaps), and line of grass with a small palm or lilawadee tree at the back. The plants are not an issue, we have loads.





    The questions I have are the following:

    * How easy would it be to just smash all that cement on the floor and plant stuff?
    * Would I likely need to remove & replace soil? A lot of it?
    * Main concern: Drainage: I think it currently drains near the back, and there is also a drainage hole where the kitchen used to be, that drains to the waste water pipe I suppose. I don't want to create a swamp, is that a concern?
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    keep the concrete, pave it with real sandstone paving

    make it into a nice patio area with table and chairs

    decorate the walls with hanging pots etc

    Cordoba patios and patios contest, The city of Cordoba tourist main sights, Andalucia, southern Spain.

    paint the walls white, maybe some handmade decorative tiles

    some of the smaller patios here might inspire you

    patio spain - Google Search
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy View Post
    keep the concrete, pave it with real sandstone paving

    make it into a nice patio area with table and chairs

    decorate the walls with hanging pots etc

    Cordoba patios and patios contest, The city of Cordoba tourist main sights, Andalucia, southern Spain.

    paint the walls white, maybe some handmade decorative tiles

    some of the smaller patios here might inspire you

    patio spain - Google Search

    I like this thought as well.

    I've got a fairly large grass and garden area and I spend a whole lot of time managing it. I don't mind managing it as it is a for a therapy for me but even a small grass area takes time to manage. Some potted golden palm and some herb pots along with some flowers and maybe a potted Plumeria of a size that fits the area are nice and the fact that they are potted will allow you to move them around and reconfigure as you need to. The Plumeria will give a nice fragrance in the evening and the herbs can be used on your cooking.
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    Ok.

    Is that primarily because it would be easier and will look good, or because cutting the cement would be a seriously Bad Idea™ ? Its' especially the small line/patch of grass that I like. If I make that Malay grass it won't grow out of control either I think?

    Good links though, browsing them now.

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    Even with Malay it needs a good amount of sun, keep that in mind.

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    I'm in the progress of developing my 40 sq m court yard.

    I would suggest to leave all the concrete and adapt as smashing it out is far too much work.

    Build a wooden deck over it and furnish it with potted plants using bamboo screening for the walls and hanging plants around the perimeter walls.

    Add a water feature and maybe some figure heads like Buddhas or whatever.

    Spend a shit load of time doing it, take your time, hunt around for the good deals and add some feature lighting to finish it.

    I been working on mine for 12 months very slowly add a bit at a time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteLotusLane View Post

    Or because cutting the cement would be a seriously Bad Idea™ ?

    Cutting the concrete is a bad idea because its way to hard and you must remove it.

    Put your energy into building a wooden deck, saves you money and will look great in a small area plus maintenance free once done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terry57
    I been working on mine for 12 months very slowly add a bit at a time. __________________
    you are single arent you mate? That was and I mean was my style. If it comes out as nice as your kitchen it will be super.

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    ^

    Yep. When it comes to small spaces grass don't work as its a pain in the arse servicing the area.

    Just go the wooden decking and then you can chop and change as you feel free.

    And fuk yes, I love my single status and wont be changing that in this life time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteLotusLane
    Is that primarily because it would be easier and will look good, or because cutting the cement would be a seriously Bad Idea™ ?
    all of those

    a small space like that needs a bit of class, not grass

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    Quote Originally Posted by terry57
    Build a wooden deck over it
    Quote Originally Posted by terry57
    Put your energy into building a wooden deck, saves you money and will look great in a small area plus maintenance free once done.
    I don't like wooden decking, underneath is just a nice space for rodents and scorpions to hang around in
    and the wood will need treating with strong chemicals against rot and insects

    sandstone slabs is the best, for me

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    Wouldn't use wood, but they also have artificial decking material that at least won't get eaten or rot. But the stone is likely cheaper, easier and lower maintenance.

    Thanks!

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    Need a layer of sand to lay the sandstone on so will need to build the drainage slightly higher with the red bricks to stop the sand going into it. Also the sandstone blocks on the edges need to be cut down to size to fit, bit of a pig of a job that one but only done once.

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    A low maintenance garden for all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post
    Need a layer of sand to lay the sandstone on so will need to build the drainage slightly higher with the red bricks to stop the sand going into it. Also the sandstone blocks on the edges need to be cut down to size to fit, bit of a pig of a job that one but only done once.

    you can cement them too

    that will lift the base level up as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by terry57
    Put your energy into building a wooden deck, saves you money and will look great in a small area plus maintenance free once done.
    And, if a snake comes into your garden, you will have a bloody good idea of where he will be hiding.

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    good engineering effort LT.

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    Some nice sandstones imported from Indonesia, I did our patio area with one them looks good, It is also cool to walk on.

    In this photo I was just starting the timber decking if you look at the top edge of the pool you can see.


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    ^That stone was a lot more expensive than the timber decking

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    They actually have Cotto tiles these days that can look like absolutely anything, including wood and stone, in any degree of roughness. It completely doesn't look like tile anymore.. How much would proper sandstone be per sq meter, roughly?

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    What I would do mate is half and half i.e. ,, mark out some rectangular box areas cut the concrete out of there , then build some raised beds and fill with some good quality top soil manure mixture.

    Then all the remaining areas around the beds I would pave with a darkish colour pave slab to cut down on the glare .

    As the Doc says steer clear of that poxy rodent home for rats " decking " they just love the invitation to come and live beside you .

    I would build a couple of beds right next to that high wall to and train some climbing plants up there .

    Good luck with it look forward to see what you choose
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    Quote Originally Posted by FarangRed View Post
    Some nice sandstones imported from Indonesia, I did our patio area with one them looks good, It is also cool to walk on.

    In this photo I was just starting the timber decking if you look at the top edge of the pool you can see.

    How are the tiles when wet or walking on with wet feet? Are they slippery?

    Procurement source easy to find? Home Pro/Home Works/Boomtavhan (spelling?) ????

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    Quote Originally Posted by can123
    And, if a snake comes into your garden, you will have a bloody good idea of where he will be hiding.
    Unless its a Welsh one , they get in the most irritating places and likely one of the more difficult pests to irradicate

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    BTW Farang R you look to have a very nice place there !

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