Thread: Windows 7

I've had no problems with it works well only laptop.

I had some problems, all related to the use of the 64bit version. I had decided to go all the way when upgrading.

Some problems with drivers. Worst was my antique scanner. I could not find any 64bit drivers. So I installed the XP-VM for the rare occasions I need it. A few months later I found that suddenly my scanner worked in the Win 7 but have no idea where the driver came from.

Also problems with software for my new NIKON camera. NIKON sees no reason to provide some of their software for 64bit. I had to go for free alternatives that do the job nicely.

Otherwise splendid.

Originally Posted by PaulBunyon

ANy updated opinions on the quality of Windows 7? Just curious if the satisfaction is still there.

it seems to be stable and very pretty. However, in terms of usability and user experience, it seems to be a nightmare, unless you are a brain dead AOL user as everything seems to be automated for you not to make any decision at all.

Im quite happy with windows7. Much better than XP.

My only gripe is that windows explorer doesn't have tabbed interface.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by PaulBunyon

ANy updated opinions on the quality of Windows 7? Just curious if the satisfaction is still there.

it seems to be stable and very pretty. However, in terms of usability and user experience, it seems to be a nightmare, unless you are a brain dead AOL user as everything seems to be automated for you not to make any decision at all.

Where did you read that?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Where did you read that?

have you seen the "Desktop" and Windows Explorer ? it's a fucking mess, only a total retard could find such an interface usable, I suspect that they are trying to lure the Mac fans into the Windows world. MacOS X is far more superior in terms if usability than this big joke. You should try it sometimes.

Finder on MacOSX (windows explorer equivalent) is terrible. Absolutely horrid.

^ it is indeed, but I find Win7 Explorer equally dysfunctional if not more

Seems like most people are happy with it. I bought a legal version today to install. Is there anything I should do prior to installing it. I mean do I just install it over my vista wiping out everything old after I've saved what I want? Is there any program to wipe the drive prior to the install to make it free from vista? I've installed windows before so I don't have a problem with that. I just wonder if there is some way to get rid of my old stuff on the drive.

Originally Posted by PaulBunyon

Seems like most people are happy with it. I bought a legal version today to install. Is there anything I should do prior to installing it. I mean do I just install it over my vista wiping out everything old after I've saved what I want? Is there any program to wipe the drive prior to the install to make it free from vista? I've installed windows before so I don't have a problem with that. I just wonder if there is some way to get rid of my old stuff on the drive.

It depends whether you bought an upgrade version or a new install version. You'll know when you boot it up.

(If you can do a clean install) while you are installing it, you have the option of deleting all partitions and making new ones. This will effectively wipe them, but you also get to format them afterwards. Use NTFS.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

^ it is indeed, but I find Win7 Explorer equally dysfunctional if not more

What do you use Windows Explorer for, which makes it more difficult in Win 7?

Thanks harry. So NTFS is better. I'll do that.

I like they way you can switch between users without logging off.

Originally Posted by Begbie

I like they way you can switch between users without logging off.

Be careful that there are shared folders between all users, so if you want separate users for the GM or the saucepan lids then check what they can see of yours before you let them loose.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

What do you use Windows Explorer for, which makes it more difficult in Win 7?

this question is as relevant as the mactards asking me what difference there is between Windows explorer and the Finder in OSX

Originally Posted by Begbie

I like they way you can switch between users without logging off.

Wasn't it already the case in WinXP ?

this question is as relevant as the mactards asking me what difference there is between Windows explorer and the Finder in OSX

Butters,

This thread isn't about OSX. How about you answer my question? Or have you just not bothered learning how to customise the Windows 7 desktop?

No point taking the piss out of AOLers if you're going to act like one.

So what can't you do in Win7 that you can do with Windows Explorer in XP? I'll be glad to help if I can.

^ fair point,

first the "Start" button is a disorganized mess, the "All Programs" is a collection of unorganized garbage in a small frame, it's not clear if this is actually the files and folders of the apps, or simply their reference in the Start Menu. I would assume their reference but they are so disorganized it almost files like you are navigating in the "Program Files" folder.

Second, the "Control Panel" is reorganized "logically" but only if you are a complete AOLer with no clue. I know what each function are doing, I don't need another level of retard classifications so AOLtards can find their way. Clicking 3 or 4 times through different level of classification on what used to take me simply 1 click to configure certain functions is certainly not improvement.

The whole interface is pretty and shinny, an AOL "gloss" that feels like a giant marketing ad in terms of functionality if you get my drift.

The new Windows Explorer is basically the Finder, a confusing interface for navigating between folders. I find the Path at the top to be not practical when using that interface intensively. This is a direct copy of the NeXT and MacOSX Finder interface, something that never caught trend in the last 20 years, so not sure why it is suddenly, unless the idea was to offer something new because nothing else was available.

and of course, a lot of functions and clicks have been "moved" and re-organized in a different manner for no apparent reason. You should note that MS is required per DoJ settlement in 1995 to "change" dramatically their UI and functions for MS to claim a new major in their software versioning. This could explain the dramatic change as I don't see any improvement for the user. WinXP and Win2k so far was perfectly fine, why change a winning formula ?

and who cares if Win7 has a better memory management, that doesn't improve the desktop experience. Would make sense for a server, but for a desktop ? they are already ways to improve memory management in WinXP that make the user experience perfectly acceptable.

Win7 is a marketing product after the failed Vista, and the Wintards are falling for it.

Your living in the xp dark ages, son.
Your still navigating through menus ? Try the windows search button.
Unless you want to be stuck in the dark ages, you should invest 1 or 2 days into learning win7 keyboard shortcuts and general usage of the system instead of endlessly moaning, which although might make you feel good for a short while, doesn't actually make things better.

Originally Posted by Plan B

Just today also received a new processor, will install it tomorrow. Interested to see how Win 7 handles it. If it thinks I'm trying to double install on two different machines, it can fok off.

Win7 handled it nicely, one restart and business as usual. Most recently I've been an Ubuntu fan, and I like their latest release, but still quite impressed with Win7.

I'm gonna use it for now.


Butterfly, stop your trolling. One minute you're a XP fan boy, next you're a MacTard. Gotta be more subtle if you wanna fool the masses.

Originally Posted by mc2

Your living in the xp dark ages, son.
Your still navigating through menus ? Try the windows search button.

let me guess, are you one of those who use google.com search function instead of typing a URL in a browser ?

why would I need a search function on a desktop to perform a task that should take one click ? that sounds not only inefficient but completely retarded,

XP is not the dark age, it might be old, but that was very usable. Unfortunately, this is incompatible with MS business model, that is to sell more stupid shit to a maximum number of people. MS created 3 great products: N4, Win2K, WinXP

looks like it's back to the old game of dysfunctional OS for MS, I see a bright future for apple

Everyone I know with a clue hated Vista and Win7, with a few exceptions

first the "Start" button is a disorganized mess, the "All Programs" is a collection of unorganized garbage in a small frame, it's not clear if this is actually the files and folders of the apps, or simply their reference in the Start Menu. I would assume their reference but they are so disorganized it almost files like you are navigating in the "Program Files" folder.

Right-Click the button, select the Start Menu tab, and Customise.

Second, the "Control Panel" is reorganized "logically" but only if you are a complete AOLer with no clue. I know what each function are doing, I don't need another level of retard classifications so AOLtards can find their way. Clicking 3 or 4 times through different level of classification on what used to take me simply 1 click to configure certain functions is certainly not improvement.

Then change the category to an icon view; then they're arranged alphabetically.

The whole interface is pretty and shinny, an AOL "gloss" that feels like a giant marketing ad in terms of functionality if you get my drift.

Hang on a minute, you said it was simple for the AOLers, now your saying it's a giant ad in terms of functionality? No, I don't get your drift.

The new Windows Explorer is basically the Finder, a confusing interface for navigating between folders. I find the Path at the top to be not practical when using that interface intensively. This is a direct copy of the NeXT and MacOSX Finder interface, something that never caught trend in the last 20 years, so not sure why it is suddenly, unless the idea was to offer something new because nothing else was available.
and of course, a lot of functions and clicks have been "moved" and re-organized in a different manner for no apparent reason.

You should note that MS is required per DoJ settlement in 1995 to "change" dramatically their UI and functions for MS to claim a new major in their software versioning. This could explain the dramatic change as I don't see any improvement for the user. WinXP and Win2k so far was perfectly fine, why change a winning formula ?

This is a generic and vague criticism that still fails to answer the question. What is it you were doing in Windows Explorer pre-Win7 that is harder or impossible to do now?

Stop being evasise; dragging up some old DOJ quote you found on Google doesn't make any sense here at all. There is so much new functionality in Windows 7 that they would have no trouble proving it is a "new" release, so why you've tried dragging that idea into it I have no idea. The DoJ anti-trust lawsuits that are relevant today concentrate on market domination, not false advertising.

"and who cares if Win7 has a better memory management, that doesn't improve the desktop experience. Would make sense for a server, but for a desktop ? they are already ways to improve memory management in WinXP that make the user experience perfectly acceptable."

Windows XP is a *dead* product, Butters. Get over it. People didn't move from it because Vista was a bloated pig. Windows 7 is what XPv2 should have been. Its release number is 6.1 FFS.

Better memory management = less crashes, quicker response, which is very MUCH part of the user experience!

Win7 is a marketing product after the failed Vista, and the Wintards are falling for it.

Windows 7 is a massive improvement on Vista, and if you had experienced both of them long enough you'd know that.

You clearly haven't even been bothered to look at the customisation options in Windows 7, so there's little point in you criticising it for being in its simplest user appearance by default. I do tons of file copying and moving around, and Explorer as is useful as ever. I like having the views button and the preview button available as one click by default, that makes it dead easy when dealing with pictures and video, and so on.

None of this is rocket science; I reckon you're just a lazy bastard (as opposed to an AOLer who would get Windows 7, phone the helpline and ask "how do I get my camera photos from the Internet to my fax machine").

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

What is it you were doing in Windows Explorer pre-Win7 that is harder or impossible to do now?

too many things I can't describe in simple words, daily routines shit I can't do in Win7 anymore. Maybe you want me to make a video and demonstrate the difference ?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

There is so much new functionality in Windows 7 that they would have no trouble proving it is a "new" release, so why you've tried dragging that idea into it I have no idea.

The DoJ address the issue of the UI, not the functions. Significant UI changes have to be performed to claim a major revision. That's the settlement, and I doubt it is ignored by MS compliance and marketing team.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Better memory management = less crashes, quicker response, which is very MUCH part of the user experience!

how many crash did you have in WinXP in the last 10 years ?

I had 3 or 4 blue screen in the 10 years I have used WinXP. As for response, a quick optimization is possible. I have 1 WinXP PC that runs on 256MB and it is as fast as the i5 64bit Win7 VAIO I tried the other day.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Windows XP is a *dead* product

says who ? MS ?

you are as brain dead as the mactards

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Windows 7 is a massive improvement on Vista, and if you had experienced both of them long enough you'd know that.

Vista was literally unusable, but Win7 is hardly an improvement over WinXP. Could explain why so many manufacturers are still keeping old XP on their machine as an option. I am afraid that those who upgraded to VISTA were so traumatized by the experience than anything after VISTA was an improvement, including MacOS X if it could run on PC or sold by MS.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

You clearly haven't even been bothered to look at the customisation options in Windows 7

I did, and again the whole experience was painful for something that should be obvious and simple. Too many loops to go through.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I reckon you're just a lazy bastard

I just like efficiency and I don't want to spend hours like I used to on the Mac for every function to be fine tuned. I want something that run immediately and be efficient. Win7 is not efficient, it's a bloated "marketing" OS ala Steve Jobs. Reminds us again how much RAM do you need ? can it run on 256MB ? so much for better memory management

as they say, you can't teach an old dog new tricks.

^ above all when new tricks do fuck all

using a search function to perform a simple task, fucking lazy brain dead AOLer