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    A contract of employment, in any country is a legal document. Spending your own cash upfront isn't a normal requirement. All views should be aired and expectations understood and agreed by both parties.

    In any industry.

    There are times that one accepts a position on a nod and a wink, To move countries and expend your own monies on one is idiotic. But you'll tell me education is so civil.

    This experience suggests otherwise.


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    Have you thought of a career in sales?
    I have enjoyed careers in many different industries and been protected against loss by contract law.
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    China Does Mandaloopy.




    Really sorry to hear that it didn't work out.

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    Best to ya towards your next assignment and destination.
    Absolutely.


    Hope it all goes well.

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    The time of posting may be a clue as to his mental state.

    What part of the world are you in, OhOh ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    What part of the world are you in, OhOh ?
    ...what makes you think he's on earth?...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    Down five thousand ???

    You mean to set yourself up there ? What on earth did you spend that on ?
    Hush puppies, corduroys and jacket with suede elbow patches?

    This surprised me on the plane...




    Don't go back to Myanmar, you hated it there and we already have a correspondant as we do in UAE, South Korea , Japan and Russia

    Get your arse over to Chile or Colombia.

    https://www.goabroad.com/articles/te...ch-abroad-2018

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    Mongolia: yay or nay?
    This one is genuinely certified-not PYP, a bit of a shame that.
    Has anyone been to Ulan Bator for work or just to visit?

    Despite my time in China being short, I'd still recommend as a place to visit - wonderful people; don't believe all that racist shite you read on Thai Visa Et al.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandaloopy View Post
    wonderful people
    ...*cough*...these are the same people who lied to you and expected you to make do with the result of their lies...what makes the man (or woman) in the street any different?...certainly the pushy grasping hordes descending on bkk and points everywhere else do little to improve the national image...or is it just the exception that elbows its way around the malls and beaches and not the rule?...asking for a friend...
    Majestically enthroned amid the vulgar herd

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    ^ I'm going on the neighbourhood I lived in admittedly- mostly middle-class families and monied salarymen. They were more outgoing than my Myanmar neighbours and kept the place tidier in general. I saw spitting about 10 times, it's being discouraged in cities as a health hazard and the younger generation are paying heed for the most part. Oddly enough the only time I was shoved out the way was leaving China last night.

    Food was excellent- fatty lamb skewers need to come to BKK!
    I got shafted by one school in a country of billions of people; I'm certainly not going to hold a grudge because of that- it would be beyond petty to do so imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandaloopy View Post
    it would be beyond petty to do so
    ...oh, go on: a little pettiness improves character...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandaloopy View Post
    Well, the school have lost more than one- the messages I go from the ex teacher were depressing, but I'm glad I head it before the term really started. I'm about 5000USD down. Thankfully plenty of cash saved from Myanmar, so not broke at all. Mostly disappointed about being hoodwinked here under false pretenses and lied to about school facilities.

    Will be back in BKK for a bit, looking forward to a cold Leo and putting it behind me. Seething and raging about it is going to accomplish nothing- I know myself well enough to know that I would have blown a gasket under such working conditions in the long run.
    If you get down this way, we'll have a beer. Same bar, same beer.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandaloopy View Post
    Has anyone been to Ulan Bator for work or just to visit?
    Years ago for business. Not teaching related. Great culture and people. Downside is air polution in Ulan Bator was worse than any I experienced in my many travels.

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    Sorry to hear about your China mis-adventure, Mandy. Some ppl here may question your decision(s) re: the past few days, but hey, it's your life & you learn from your mistakes. Fortunately, you're young enough to get up & recover.

    Re: Ulan Bataar & Mongolia, I've never been there but I tour-guided a group of young Mongolians (prolly late 20s to early 30s, 10 of them) early this year. One of the group is an FB friend - she's the friend of a friend. My impression of the group was good - they were very nice, polite, kind hearted.

    They are professional drinkers, even the women! During that day, we passed by a fruit & lambanog store (on the way to Tagaytay), and the group bought 2 large bottles. My friend (a Filipino, the direct contact of this Mongolian girl) - we tried to warn them about the high alcohol content of the lambanog (coconut wine). She said, don't worry, they are professional drinkers! 555

    The ppl are generally taller than SEAsians - both men & women. One girl, who was my height, said that she liked it in PI because she felt tall here, as there were many girls shorter than her. The women have very fair skin, and generally had small boobs & butt. (The girls commented to me about that - girl talk, 55).

    My friend who worked as an expat in UB said that it's a small city - much smaller than Metro Manila (or Bangkok). There are also only few people - only 3 million or so population - they have more livestock.

    One of the guys in that group has been to the Gobi desert. He said it was a real challenge climbing the sand dunes. One of his companions during the climb gave up climbing & just rested on the slopes. He showed me his pics from his phone.

    If you do go to UB, you may send me a PM and I can get you in touch with my friend. She speaks English well since she works for a multinational company and is at mid management level. Most of the ppl in that group could speak English. They gave me an open invite to visit UB and they'll tour me around.

    I've no knowledge of the educational system there, so good luck re: that. Have read an article on BBC re: Mongolian women - Nov or Dec 2017. I remember having read it before the Mongolian group came in January. They have these famous horse race in the countryside - it's a big event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandaloopy View Post
    Mongolia: yay or nay?
    This one is genuinely certified-not PYP, a bit of a shame that.
    Has anyone been to Ulan Bator for work or just to visit?

    Despite my time in China being short, I'd still recommend as a place to visit - wonderful people; don't believe all that racist shite you read on Thai Visa Et al.
    I think Bettyboo worked there.

    Edit: Yep.
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    Lived/worked in Australia, NZ, Mongolia, Korea,
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    Ulaan Bataar, Outer Mongolia...
    Last edited by Neverna; 19-08-2018 at 01:41 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Who are you going with?

    Sunderland?
    Nottingham. Cheaper, no teaching practice and less well recognised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandaloopy View Post
    I had to put 6 months down
    Ouch....Great Yarmouth's calling

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandaloopy View Post
    Mongolia: yay or nay?
    I suggest you do more investigations than just here and video clips. Are you finding these opportunities from agencies, if so they may have responsibilities and obligations to protect you from abuse.

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    What part of the world are you in, OhOh ?
    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    what makes you think he's on earth?...
    The ISS does have some great views and many visitors from other galaxies. Try and get on one of the supply trips or visit in one of the Spacex cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mandaloopy View Post
    I'm going on the neighbourhood I lived in admittedly
    Which is only one impression of China, which we should know has many different environments to explore.

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    Watched the video posted by Norton, thanks for that. The expats mentioned mining in Mongolia. Re: mining, the Mongolians I talked to said that water supply is an issue in their country. Since their country is landlocked and very dry, they are worried about water supply running out because much of it is being used now in mining.

    Re: the people, my friend said that they are very warm & accommodating. He worked as an expat there for ~6 months. The men & women - they eat & drink a lot. He also said that the food was mainly bland.

    Most of the group that I toured were slim, only 1 was chubby. However my friend said that like most ppl, they gained weight as they aged or had kids. Most of them have traveled abroad. One of them (a girl) studied for her master's in the US on assistanceship. The other 3 were studying for their MS degrees in China and took a one week holiday in PI. They stayed in budget hotels or Air bnb. Most were very curious about the country and they liked tasting the tropical fruits. All of them loved mangoes - mangoes are so pricey there since they have to import.

    Their language sounds more Russian than Mandarin or Cantonese - lots of consonants. Some of them have names which are hard to pronounce & remember, because of the consonants, so they just adapt English names.

    They also told me the reason why they have so few people in their country, but that's another story.

    Re: Bettyboo and Mongolia, I remember that he posted pics of his Mongolian GF. Wonder if they're still around. Heh...

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    Quote Originally Posted by katie23 View Post
    They also told me the reason why they have so few people in their country, but that's another story.
    Care to share?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katie View Post
    They also told me the reason why they have so few people in their country, but that's another story.

    It seems as if she would rather not..

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    Got offers from Yangon and Mongolia so far and an interview with a school in Kurdistan later this afternoon. Yangon is the same school I worked for in Mandalay, just in a different city. Mongolia has a nicer accommodation package in so far as I don't have to share. I have some concerns about winter- it gets unfathomably cold -20 to -45, I have never experienced anything below -5 lol

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    ^^Got busy with work. Only now that I have a break & able to browse TD. Didn't tell the story earlier since my time was limited and I don't know if ppl would be interested.

    From what I've heard, it does get really cold in Mongolia. My friend had to buy lots of winter gear when he stayed there. My friend and the Mongolian girl who was the "head of the party" - they worked for the same multinational company and kept in touch via FB.

    The Mongolian group arrived here (in PI) in January. At that time, it was still cool, temps were ~24 to 26 Celsius. My friend and I wore jeans (and sometimes jacket) as we toured them around. The Mongolians wore shorts and sleeveless shirts! 55

    Re: the low population number, according to them, at some point in their history, they were at war with the Chinese, who wanted to rule over them. Then the Russians came to their aid and drove the Chinese out. The Russians also brought communism (or socialism, whatever). Then during that time, the gov't put (placed? levied?) high income tax. The income earners were mostly men at that time. However, monks were exempt from income tax. So many men, to avoid being taxed, became monks. Then (I think) they were not allowed to leave the monkhood. They were also not allowed to have their own families/ children. So only few men were reproducing at that time. They also don't have many children due to the harsh conditions, especially in the countryside.

    They (the Mongolians) did say that they have more livestock than people! I found it a bit odd, since there are 100+ million Filipinos in my small country (10 M working overseas). But then, most are Catholics and don't practice birth control. But again, that's another story...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandaloopy View Post
    Typically China only refunds at the end of the contract, or in the case of housing on a monthly basis. I had to put 6 months down and pay for day to day expenses and some sightseeing.
    Absolutely not true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandaloopy View Post
    Got offers from Yangon and Mongolia so far and an interview with a school in Kurdistan later this afternoon. Yangon is the same school I worked for in Mandalay, just in a different city. Mongolia has a nicer accommodation package in so far as I don't have to share. I have some concerns about winter- it gets unfathomably cold -20 to -45, I have never experienced anything below -5 lol
    You know China has a kind of sub tropical south don't you?
    By the way, no way you had to pay 6 months up front for an apartment. First and last month just like in the west.

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    I hope you're not suggesting that Mandy was taken advantage of by renters in league with school admin...such behavior would further suggest...well, never mind: the folks he met were always friendly and helpful...

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