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    Wow guys, Chieng Mai is really smokey! Is it alsways like this? I really think I won't be visiting here again, I will probably end up with a lung cancer diseases or something.

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    It's when they burn the stubble.
    Usually Feb-March

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thetyim View Post
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    It's when they burn the stubble.
    Usually Feb-March
    Don't they understand that this is not good for your body? I cannot see more than about 100 fathoms in Chieng Mai city - this cannot be good for your health. It must be almost equi-valent to inhaling the smoke of 35 cigarettes per day.

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    Actually smke pollution starts in November up in Chiang Rai, Chiangmai, when the first rice crop straw is burnt then again in March.
    Thais blame the hill tribe folk, which is a load of bollocks, because they don't have the land to grow much rice.
    It's the Thai rice farmers causing 70% of air pollution mixed with the diesel of the new auto owner society.
    Rice growing in Thailand doubled to two crops per year, double the stubble burn off and double the water usage, since Burma junta take over in the 70's. when Burma stopped being the rice bowl of Asia and Thailand took over the market.

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    Why is it that Vietnam can produce 3 crops of rice per year and almost treble the rice per hectare that Thailand produces and yet when you look on satellite images, Thailand is awash with smoke and arid desert like land?

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    didn't someone say that chaing mai
    had the highest cancer rate in the country ?

    when i was there the pollution just hung in the air
    there was no wind to shift it
    i puked into the river once because of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandias
    Why is it that Vietnam can produce 3 crops of rice per year and almost treble the rice per hectare that Thailand produces and yet when you look on satellite images, Thailand is awash with smoke and arid desert like land?
    I don't know, do you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    Thais blame the hill tribe folk, which is a load of bollocks, because they don't have the land to grow much rice.
    it is partly buring the rice stubble but mostly burning secondary jungle growth in the hills to make way for planting (not necessarily rice)

    the rice stubble gets burnt at least twice a year but not in Feb/Mar, the rice is already growing then

    so mainly hill tribe activity
    I have reported your post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandias
    I will probably end up with a lung cancer diseases or something.
    No,you won't

    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandias
    It must be almost equi-valent to inhaling the smoke of 35 cigarettes per day.
    No, it's not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandias
    Thailand is awash with smoke and arid desert like land?
    No, it's not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandias View Post
    Why is it that Vietnam can produce 3 crops of rice per year and almost treble the rice per hectare that Thailand produces and yet when you look on satellite images, Thailand is awash with smoke and arid desert like land?
    Some regions of TH produce year-round rice.
    They're far a few between, but they do exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandias
    Don't they understand that this is not good for your body?
    Quote Originally Posted by billy the kid
    didn't someone say that chaing mai had the highest cancer rate in the country ?
    The smoke can be useful in that it weeds out the weak and sickly so only stronger individuals survive and the gene pool is improved.

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    An interactive global map of fires.

    FIRMS Web Fire Mapper

    Not a lot of fires around Chiangmai itself, but the smoke drift from surrounding areas settle into the Chiangmai basin, which also has the highest ozone levels in Thailand.
    Ozone coupled with the smoke of unburnt hydrocarbons under the action of UV light creates carcinogens. Further carcinogenic smoke and exhausts from Lampang industrial sites drift across to Lamphun and Chiangmai, to make respiratory collapse the leading cause of death in Chiangmai province.

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    Far less secondary growth is burnt in the hills in Thailand as many hilltribe folk have moved down hill to take up more profitable valley cultivation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandias
    I cannot see more than about 100 fathoms in Chieng Mai city
    You should take your head out of the water and have a look around then.

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    Maybe he wears twenty league boots to fathom the unknown?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Far less secondary growth is burnt in the hills in Thailand as many hilltribe folk have moved down hill to take up more profitable valley cultivation.
    I presume you were referring to my post

    when I said "in the hills", that includes any valleys up there, between the hills

    the hilltribes can't come down further as the land is already owned by Thais; they were driven up into the hills by the Thais and have lived there with subsistence farming

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    Hill tribes were in the hills long before the Thais arrived.
    Thai hill tribes started migrating from China about the time the Tibeto Burmese moved further south, more than 1,,000 years ago.
    The Thai government is trying to get them down and integrate with lowlanders and to abandon swidden agriculture for a rotational crop system instead.
    Karien and Aka have integrated easier than say Lishu and Lahu, as they prefer to live at about the same altitude as Chiangmai, about 1000ft, up to about 2,,000 ft above sea level.
    Around Mae Hong Son, Pai and Chiang Rai up along Nam Kok, they cultivate the riverine gallery levels and marginal agricultural lands there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandias View Post
    Wow guys, Chieng Mai is really smokey! Is it alsways like this?
    Yes it is a really unique place at this time of the year. There are very few places in the world where you can experience such a thing. Consider yourself lucky.

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    Just think of it like one big Suvarnibhumi smoking room but without the huge queue to get to the best parts of Thailand

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    And just remember that if you start coughing in front of the locals, they'll accuse you of bringing lung disease to Chiangmai, which is why they cough, because you are Farang and they are Thai and Thai can do no wrong.
    The Thai also blame the hill tribes and the Burmese for all the smoke.

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    Or they'll tell you that you're one really sick lizard because you smoke.

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    The haze is a means of camouflage, man.
    Be cool.


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    That's a decent cone!

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    Quote Originally Posted by withnallstoke View Post
    The haze is a means of camouflage, man.
    Be cool.

    Ahhh the 'Camden Carrot'...

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